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Standard User techguy
(experienced) Sat 12-Dec-20 14:21:35
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BTW FTTP wholesale cost on the way down?


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I'm starting to see FTTP offers for 150 Mbps for a couple of pence under 40 quid a month.

I appreciate as copper starts to be phased out the prices will of course drop but does anyone know if this happening already (as in the prices charged to ISPs)?

Wondering if I can open a freiendly haggle with Zen in the New Year.

Virgin (ADSL) => Namesco => Newnet => O2 => Plusnet => Zen => Newnet => Zen => Freeola => Vivaciti (using O2 Wholesale DSL) => Xilo (C&W Wholesale) => Xilo (O2 Wholesale) => Xilo (TT Wholesale due to O2 Wholesale closure) => Zen LLU =>> ZeN FTTP (100 Mbps down, 18 Mbps up)
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Standard User j0hn83
(fountain of knowledge) Sat 12-Dec-20 14:34:24
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Re: BTW FTTP wholesale cost on the way down?


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It's probably just ISP offers.

I'm paying £30/month for 160/30 on BT FTTP and have been for months.

BT Wholesale do special offers for bulk order commitments.

Looks like the BT Wholesale WBC FTTP 160/30 price hasn't changed since 2017
Standard User flilot
(member) Sat 12-Dec-20 16:01:16
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Re: BTW FTTP wholesale cost on the way down?


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If you have a CityFibre network in your area, Zen will be selling products utilising that in the New Year. They hinted to me in a Facebook comment that the prices of said products will be comparable to Vodafone's Gigafast offering over the same network.

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Standard User MHC
(sensei) Sat 12-Dec-20 16:25:21
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BT Business is currently £49.95 which includes digital voice, fixed IP, rapid response, 4G backup service, enhanced support ... take out the individual cost of the additional items and the FTTP price is looking like £32-35/month plus VAT


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Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Sat 12-Dec-20 16:52:46
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Re: BTW FTTP wholesale cost on the way down?


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Which ISP? They may not be reliant on BT Wholesale for backhaul

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Standard User techguy
(experienced) Sat 12-Dec-20 18:15:52
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Freeola

I did use them years ago, I know they are more a reseller and they weren't bad, can't remember whose services they actually resold though.

I do have Cityfibre here (they were actually working on the drive a few months back!) but am in a contract with Zen for 18 months (agreed to this in September to get the uplift to 100 Meg).

I'll keep an eye on Zen's site and see if there's any cost difference as it it's only a quid or two it's not worth the hassle of getting the ONT switched etc.

Zen are and have been terrific so I've no desire to switch away, just trying to save a bit of cash if I can but as you say, it sounds more of an ISP offer than an across the board reduction.

Thanks again all for taking the time to reply, it is very much appreciated.

Hope you all have a great Festive period.

Virgin (ADSL) => Namesco => Newnet => O2 => Plusnet => Zen => Newnet => Zen => Freeola => Vivaciti (using O2 Wholesale DSL) => Xilo (C&W Wholesale) => Xilo (O2 Wholesale) => Xilo (TT Wholesale due to O2 Wholesale closure) => Zen LLU =>> ZeN FTTP (100 Mbps down, 18 Mbps up)
Router: Fritzbox 7530


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Edited by techguy (Sat 12-Dec-20 18:17:33)

Standard User ian72
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Mon 14-Dec-20 11:20:38
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Re: BTW FTTP wholesale cost on the way down?


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It is unlikely you are going to get much of an improvement on a deal you made with them in September - if you were near the end of your contract then your chances would be higher but trying to renegotiate with your ISP so early in the term is unlikely to yield much in the way of discounts.
Standard User candlerb
(fountain of knowledge) Sat 26-Dec-20 15:24:37
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Re: BTW FTTP wholesale cost on the way down?


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In reply to a post by techguy:
I'm starting to see FTTP offers for 150 Mbps for a couple of pence under 40 quid a month.

I appreciate as copper starts to be phased out the prices will of course drop but does anyone know if this happening already (as in the prices charged to ISPs)?

Wondering if I can open a freiendly haggle with Zen in the New Year.


Sky will do you 150/30 for £35. TalkTalk will do you 500/75 for £40 (they call it "Future Fibre")

There are various deals on BT which vary depending on which link you follow:
https://www.bt.com/broadband/deals
https://www.bt.com/campaign/full-fibre
https://www.bt.com/campaign/full-fibre-240
https://www.bt.com/broadband/bristol
https://www.bt.com/products/affiliate-packages-broad...

The underlying prices from Openreach haven't changed for a while, but are only part of the cost: the ISP is also responsible for buying backhaul from the exchange to their POP, Internet transit, customer support and billing, paying the connection charge, and (usually) providing a router.

Zen position themselves at the premium end of the market, so you are paying proportionately more for network resilience, UK-based support, static IP/IPv6 etc.
Standard User RobertoS
(elder) Sat 26-Dec-20 15:37:03
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Freeola

I did use them years ago, I know they are more a reseller and they weren't bad, can't remember whose services they actually resold though.

I do have Cityfibre here (they were actually working on the drive a few months back!) but am in a contract with Zen for 18 months (agreed to this in September to get the uplift to 100 Meg).
IIRC they used to use Entanet then Daisy Telecoms. It could be their City Fibre service you are looking at. (From Daisy's website):
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Standard User ModemMan
(regular) Sat 20-Feb-21 16:58:24
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In reply to a post by candlerb:
In reply to a post by techguy:
I'm starting to see FTTP offers for 150 Mbps for a couple of pence under 40 quid a month.

I appreciate as copper starts to be phased out the prices will of course drop but does anyone know if this happening already (as in the prices charged to ISPs)?

Wondering if I can open a freiendly haggle with Zen in the New Year.


Sky will do you 150/30 for £35. TalkTalk will do you 500/75 for £40 (they call it "Future Fibre")

There are various deals on BT which vary depending on which link you follow:
https://www.bt.com/broadband/deals
https://www.bt.com/campaign/full-fibre
https://www.bt.com/campaign/full-fibre-240
https://www.bt.com/broadband/bristol
https://www.bt.com/products/affiliate-packages-broad...

The underlying prices from Openreach haven't changed for a while, but are only part of the cost: the ISP is also responsible for buying backhaul from the exchange to their POP, Internet transit, customer support and billing, paying the connection charge, and (usually) providing a router.

Zen position themselves at the premium end of the market, so you are paying proportionately more for network resilience, UK-based support, static IP/IPv6 etc.


Hi candlerb, Intetesting results from your BT offer links, using the full-fibre-240 shows it is available for my address but when I spoke to BT they said that offer is only available for certain areas and not mine. I said that was strange as I could order it online and BT responded saying if I did my order would probably end up being cancelled. Do you know anything more about these links and shed any light on speific areas or do you think the offer would be honoured if I ordered online.
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