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Standard User ceepan
(member) Mon 15-Feb-21 12:00:05
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I live in one of the areas mentioned here https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2020/07/ofcom-... due to get FTTP over the next 3 years (Article is dated July 2020 so should now be within 2.5 years). Is there any way to check the likely timescale for my area?

Also is there a way to find out how the current telephone line comes into the house? I believe it is underground but don't see any evidence of BT manholes or ducts around my property. I am just trying to workout what may be required when FTTP becomes available.

Thanks,
Paul
Standard User dect
(fountain of knowledge) Mon 15-Feb-21 14:52:55
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Think this is the latest update from Openreach, look from page 9 onward for your location

Full Fibre build programme - Feb 2021
Standard User Ancient_Mariner
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Mon 15-Feb-21 15:37:22
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An interesting update list.

The exchange/village that I am connected to is Hawarden WNHAW not listed, but totally surrounded by areas supplied by exchanges that are. Connah's Quay, Buckley, Chester South. Plus also the next layer out, Hope, Mold, Flint etc.

Is there any hope (not a pun) for Hawarden?

Cheers!

Clive

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Standard User dect
(fountain of knowledge) Mon 15-Feb-21 15:42:43
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Is there any hope (not a pun) for Hawarden?
I wish I knew the answer frown
Standard User ceepan
(member) Mon 15-Feb-21 16:31:15
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Think this is the latest update from Openreach, look from page 9 onward for your location

Full Fibre build programme - Feb 2021


Thanks for getting back to me. Looking at the table (my exchange is Fauldhouse) it show a Yes for "Exchanges Currently Building In". What does that actually mean for likely timescales for premises being able to order FTTP?

Thanks,
Paul
Standard User dect
(fountain of knowledge) Mon 15-Feb-21 16:53:38
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Thanks for getting back to me. Looking at the table (my exchange is Fauldhouse) it show a Yes for "Exchanges Currently Building In". What does that actually mean for likely timescales for premises being able to order FTTP?
The fact that they have started the FTTP build in your location/exchange area is extremely positive, there are lots of exchanges/locations on that same list that haven't started or will not start for at least 3 months. For timescales on when you will be able to order, no one is going to make you any promises on that as every build is different.
Standard User heathrow
(regular) Mon 15-Feb-21 16:59:35
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Build can be anything up to a year. Depends on the location.


The fact your exchange is in build is very encouraging.
Standard User JHo1
(member) Mon 15-Feb-21 17:09:37
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Thanks DECT. Sadly I've just discovered that there is another village called "Kingsley". frown
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Standard User kitcat
(experienced) Mon 15-Feb-21 17:23:22
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ceepan

Can't help on timescales but you can track rollout at https://labs.thinkbroadband.com/local/index.php?tab=...

You are likely to notice when rollout starts in your area as there will be lots of work down manholes or up poles.

You asked how your service is delivered, you would know if it was overhead as you would have a cable from a pole. If no Poles it is underground and you may be able to find where the cable exits the duct and comes up the wall before entering the house. (or even inside the house).
Standard User candlerb
(fountain of knowledge) Mon 15-Feb-21 17:51:54
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Also: if there is no duct, and the cable is buried Direct-In-Ground, then they may decide to deliver FTTP from a pole.
Standard User Rhubarb
(committed) Mon 15-Feb-21 17:52:33
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I'm pretty certain that there's no FTTP in Mold, (except On Demand), doesn't seem long since they were adding G-fast pods. Maybe that's part of the rationale. Is there G-fast in Hawarden?

Spoke to an OR guy fitting a fibre drop line down the road yesterday and he said you won't be able to order a copper pair service in Flintshire soon. Think he said April next year. They'll need to get a move on if that's the case.
Standard User j0hn83
(knowledge is power) Mon 15-Feb-21 18:28:37
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Spoke to an OR guy fitting a fibre drop line down the road yesterday and he said you won't be able to order a copper pair service in Flintshire soon. Think he said April next year. They'll need to get a move on if that's the case.


He's being a bit ambitious there. Not a hope in hells chance of that happening by April 2022.

They are initially targeting the PSTN switch off. That's only for calls over copper with a dial tone.
VOIP over copper and copper broadband services will continue for some time.

The process for stopping to sell all copper services is going to take longer.

That process can only start once an area is 75% covered with FTTP.
Once that target is hit they will start with a "no move back" from FTTP to copper.
Then they will announce a "stop sell" on copper services, but with at least 12 months notice.
This will only affect those that actually have FTTP. Anyone who still has copper only will continue to be able to order FTTC/SOGEA/VOIP over a copper pair.
Even when the 75% target is hit there will be many properties that will be left behind.

They have announced a couple hundred exchanges where this will happen 1st. They are in the 3 articles below.

https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2020/05/openre...

https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2020/10/openre...

https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2021/01/openre...

Even for the exchanges listed above the copper "stop sell" will be some time away.
For exchanges not on that list it will be likely be years away.

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Standard User Rhubarb
(committed) Mon 15-Feb-21 18:43:24
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He's being a bit ambitious there...

No doubt. I understood him to say that it'd not be possible to order a new service by then and thinking back I think he probably said April 23 and not next year. I was just asking him about other stuff and it was mentioned in the conversation.
Standard User 69bertie
(member) Mon 15-Feb-21 20:05:37
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In reply to a post by ceepan:
I live in one of the areas mentioned here https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2020/07/ofcom-... due to get FTTP over the next 3 years (Article is dated July 2020 so should now be within 2.5 years). Is there any way to check the likely timescale for my area?
Thanks,
Paul

As your link above mentions 'Rural' do check this list about gigabitvouchers. At the beginning of this year I'd also looked at OR to see if and when we might, if ever, get FTTP. Not even a glimmer. And Fibre On demand? Well, some might have big pockets. I don't.

Imagine my surprise when 3 weeks ago a leaflet popped through the door saying FTTP was being installed in the 7 villages around here by a relatively local company. Last week, I saw manholes being lifted with rods being pushed down (yes, in the snow). And today I've come home to find new cables dangling and new terminal boxes have appeared on various poles in a couple of the streets in the village.

So yes, you might find OR doesn't have plans but others might have. As to pricing. they do 120Mb/s (up and down) Unlimited at £29. 500Mb/s (which is what I've gone for) for £39. Its only £4 more than what I currently pay for a FTTC wire. Again same speed up and down, unlimited. 1Gb comes in at £60, which I really could not justify buying even if the thought is something I would love to have.

Standard User jabuzzard
(experienced) Mon 15-Feb-21 21:14:45
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My brother in Liverpool was supposed to be done before March 2020. They actually put the fibre in before Christmas, and it was not till late January that it actually became available to order. Not that he can actually order it at the moment. So take that build program with a spade full of salt if you ask me.
Standard User heathrow
(regular) Mon 15-Feb-21 21:16:28
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Where I live in NW London, fibre rollout can be very fast indeed if the OR duct network is used.


Until blocked ducts have to be cleared.
Standard User ceepan
(member) Mon 15-Feb-21 21:46:45
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ceepan

Can't help on timescales but you can track rollout at https://labs.thinkbroadband.com/local/index.php?tab=...

You are likely to notice when rollout starts in your area as there will be lots of work down manholes or up poles.

You asked how your service is delivered, you would know if it was overhead as you would have a cable from a pole. If no Poles it is underground and you may be able to find where the cable exits the duct and comes up the wall before entering the house. (or even inside the house).


I just checked https://www.roadworksscotland.org/ and can see a few locations around the village with Openreach as the promoter with description like "BLOCKAGE CLEARANCE IN AN EXISTING BT DUCT LINE".

I don't see anywhere on the exterior of the house where the current cable enters the house. The master socket is located in the cupboard under the stairs in the middle of the house. It comes up from under the floor. There are poles close to us but none in our street.
Standard User Ancient_Mariner
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Mon 15-Feb-21 22:31:08
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I included Mold since Mold does appear on Openreach lists and also shown on Thinkbroadband mapping.

The whole situation can be a bit confusing to say the least. I live in Hawarden at CH5 3HS 2237 metres from the Hawarden Exchange and my FTTC is from CAB 2 on Park Avenue off Gladstone Way. There is another cabinet, CAB 15 located at the junction of Fieldside and Braeside Avenue. Where we live is about equidistant from both CABS. However CAB 15 also offers G.Fast to nearby property, whereas CAB 2 does not offer G.Fast to Park Avenue properties.

Looking at https://labs.thinkbroadband.com/local/index.php?tab=...

Playing with the tick box options, especially Openreach VDSL2/FTTP Postcodes, Openreach native FTTP & Openreach G>Fast Live Postcodes can be interesting. Ticking Speed Test Results will put some figures on the map. Clicking on those brings up the supplier and test results. You can see mine (28.1 Mbps within the 24 Mbps blue bubble. When I first had FTTC I was getting 37 Mbps but over the last few years cross-talk etc has taken m to the mid 20s. Being on rather old aluminium cable does not help. During dial-up days, I was lucky to get 9.6 kbps!

Driving around the area I keep an eye out for the small yellow labels affixed to poles carrying fibre!

Cheers!

Recently, Openreach have been installing FTTP in the Aston area (west of the A494) such as Aston Park Road.

Clive

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Standard User kitcat
(experienced) Tue 16-Feb-21 10:38:14
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ceepan

So definitely underground then, there should be a duct entrance in the cupboard that may have all the services coming through or just the BT one. If you are really lucky there will be a draw string in the entrance. You may need to lift a floorboard to find it !

You are likely to be ducted as just buried cable usually enters from outside a wall.

There should be a pavement cable chamber somewhere in the street where this is fed from.
Standard User candlerb
(fountain of knowledge) Tue 16-Feb-21 13:20:50
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As I understand it, ducts *shouldn't* come up inside a house - they make a great entry for rats and rainwater.

My duct ends next to the wall, and the cables (copper and fibre) exit from there. There's a rubbery bung-type thing to plug the hole around the cables.
Standard User ceepan
(member) Tue 16-Feb-21 14:36:45
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ceepan

So definitely underground then, there should be a duct entrance in the cupboard that may have all the services coming through or just the BT one. If you are really lucky there will be a draw string in the entrance. You may need to lift a floorboard to find it !

You are likely to be ducted as just buried cable usually enters from outside a wall.

There should be a pavement cable chamber somewhere in the street where this is fed from.


There are a couple of square metal chamber covers in the street but they aren't identified as BT. There are also square chamber covers on each driveway, but as all of the driveways are monoblocked, the chambers are hidden from view. I assume that some of these may be the access to the cabling.

Thanks,
Paul
Standard User dect
(fountain of knowledge) Tue 16-Feb-21 16:04:27
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As I understand it, ducts *shouldn't* come up inside a house - they make a great entry for rats and rainwater.
I agree the most common place for an Openreach duct to come up is on an outside wall but I don't think its right to say it *shouldn't* come up inside a property. Openreach have released developer guides on what is required (including how to correctly seal it) if it does so there will be properties where this occurs.
Standard User Woolwich
(experienced) Tue 16-Feb-21 17:24:38
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There are a couple of square metal chamber covers in the street but they aren't identified as BT. There are also square chamber covers on each driveway, but as all of the driveways are monoblocked, the chambers are hidden from view. I assume that some of these may be the access to the cabling.


What size are these? They smell like drains to me.
Standard User ceepan
(member) Tue 16-Feb-21 20:37:27
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In reply to a post by ceepan:
There are a couple of square metal chamber covers in the street but they aren't identified as BT. There are also square chamber covers on each driveway, but as all of the driveways are monoblocked, the chambers are hidden from view. I assume that some of these may be the access to the cabling.


What size are these? They smell like drains to me.


They are approximately 50cm x 50cm. I always assumed they were for access to drainage but as they are mostly hidden by the monoblock I don't know.
Standard User ceepan
(member) Wed 17-Feb-21 08:40:18
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In reply to a post by Woolwich:
In reply to a post by ceepan:
There are a couple of square metal chamber covers in the street but they aren't identified as BT. There are also square chamber covers on each driveway, but as all of the driveways are monoblocked, the chambers are hidden from view. I assume that some of these may be the access to the cabling.


What size are these? They smell like drains to me.


I have noticed that there is a Openreach chamber cover at the end of the street. i have never actually noticed it before.

They are approximately 50cm x 50cm. I always assumed they were for access to drainage but as they are mostly hidden by the monoblock I don't know.
Standard User ceepan
(member) Tue 20-Apr-21 11:30:19
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ceepan

Can't help on timescales but you can track rollout at https://labs.thinkbroadband.com/local/index.php?tab=...

You are likely to notice when rollout starts in your area as there will be lots of work down manholes or up poles.

You asked how your service is delivered, you would know if it was overhead as you would have a cable from a pole. If no Poles it is underground and you may be able to find where the cable exits the duct and comes up the wall before entering the house. (or even inside the house).


Openreach have definitely been doing work around the village. Looking at https://labs.thinkbroadband.com/local/index.php?tab=... there appears to be no Openreach native FTTP showing for Fauldhouse (last update was the 18/04/2021). Does that suggest that they are still at the early stages of rolling out the infrastructure?

Thanks,
Paul
Standard User lostinthewoods
(learned) Tue 20-Apr-21 11:39:12
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The same for where I live but the survey and install is primarily (I'm told) being completed by a contractor - maybe that's why it's not showing on the map?

We've had vans and roadworks all over for the last 2-3 weeks
Standard User ceepan
(member) Tue 20-Apr-21 13:58:10
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The same for where I live but the survey and install is primarily (I'm told) being completed by a contractor - maybe that's why it's not showing on the map?

We've had vans and roadworks all over for the last 2-3 weeks


It is all Openreach branded vans round here. I wouldn't think the use of contractors should affect the map being updated. They will need to report progress to Openreach, which will result in an update to their DB, which I assume feeds that map.
Standard User ceepan
(member) Fri 23-Apr-21 16:00:58
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There are currently 3 large Openreach vans at the end of the street. I hope that is good news.
Standard User Grimers
(regular) Tue 27-Apr-21 21:38:49
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Yeah, it shouldn't do. BNE are doing most of the deployment around here.
Standard User ceepan
(member) Thu 29-Apr-21 12:11:56
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The Openreach vans were back at the end of the street on Monday and have been at other locations around the village the last few weeks. I have tried looking at https://www.broadbandchecker.btwholesale.com/#/ADSL/... for a few addresses round the village and all show that FTTP is NOT currently available. Is that normal? Are there any better sources of data to see how the rollout is going? https://labs.thinkbroadband.com/local/index.php?tab=... doesn't have anything for Fauldhouse. Does that show where FTTP is available to order, or where FTTP has been installed?

Thanks,
Paul
Standard User candlerb
(fountain of knowledge) Thu 29-Apr-21 14:07:51
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The Openreach vans were back at the end of the street on Monday and have been at other locations around the village the last few weeks. I have tried looking at https://www.broadbandchecker.btwholesale.com/#/ADSL/... for a few addresses round the village and all show that FTTP is NOT currently available. Is that normal?


Yes that's normal: it's ready when it's ready. There's auditing to be done, and there's additional work at the exchange, which can take weeks or months. There may be problems with the upstream fibre path that may take time to resolve. Sometimes, fibre rollouts are abandoned without going live at all, due to unforeseen problems.
Standard User ceepan
(member) Thu 29-Apr-21 14:41:36
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In reply to a post by ceepan:
The Openreach vans were back at the end of the street on Monday and have been at other locations around the village the last few weeks. I have tried looking at https://www.broadbandchecker.btwholesale.com/#/ADSL/... for a few addresses round the village and all show that FTTP is NOT currently available. Is that normal?


Yes that's normal: it's ready when it's ready. There's auditing to be done, and there's additional work at the exchange, which can take weeks or months. There may be problems with the upstream fibre path that may take time to resolve. Sometimes, fibre rollouts are abandoned without going live at all, due to unforeseen problems.


Thanks for the information. I realise that there is no exact timescales on this, but was just wondering if there was a general rule on it. I had a a look at http://streetworks.org.uk/live-traffic-works-map/ and there are further works shown there in the next month (using the 3 months view it show works on or about the 19th May). There is nothing further out than that. I wasn't sure if that meant that they hadn't worked out all work required or if they only have to give a certain amount of notice that they intend to carry out work.

Cheers,
Paul
Standard User wifigeek
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speak to openreach CEO. I live not that far from you and reached out to openreach CEO email who put me in touch with the project manager for this are and discovered my area in west lothian is due to be rolled out to by late 2021/early 2022.

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Standard User Grimers
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Yeah, that's what I did. They've been brilliant and keeping me up to date with the rollout here.
Standard User ceepan
(member) Mon 03-May-21 13:38:20
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speak to openreach CEO. I live not that far from you and reached out to openreach CEO email who put me in touch with the project manager for this are and discovered my area in west lothian is due to be rolled out to by late 2021/early 2022.

Where did you get the contact details? Are they available on the Openreach website?

Cheers,
Paul
Standard User GonePostal
(committed) Mon 03-May-21 14:23:13
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In reply to a post by wifigeek:
speak to openreach CEO. I live not that far from you and reached out to openreach CEO email who put me in touch with the project manager for this are and discovered my area in west lothian is due to be rolled out to by late 2021/early 2022.

Where did you get the contact details? Are they available on the Openreach website?

Cheers,
Paul


Lots of threads on this Forum where the details are given or you can look it up using this website.
Standard User ceepan
(member) Tue 04-May-21 09:15:17
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In reply to a post by ceepan:
In reply to a post by wifigeek:
speak to openreach CEO. I live not that far from you and reached out to openreach CEO email who put me in touch with the project manager for this are and discovered my area in west lothian is due to be rolled out to by late 2021/early 2022.

Where did you get the contact details? Are they available on the Openreach website?

Cheers,
Paul


Lots of threads on this Forum where the details are given or you can look it up using this website.


Thanks for that. I'll send an email to see if he can provided some further details.

Cheers,
Paul
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