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Standard User FarmerStuart
(newbie) Wed 14-Jul-21 14:27:20
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Rural FTTP install


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I wasn't sure i was ever going to be able to post in this section but over the last couple of days I’ve had the interesting experience of watching Openreach install a new fibre up the lane while trying to contain my excitement.
As a company they get a fair bit of stick but having seen the resource involved for the job I understand the costs and time frame a bit better now so thought I’d share.

Quick bit of background for those that don’t visit the Not Spot section - My house is on the end of a bit of copper that has been patched so many times that the best they could offer for ADSL2 was a theoretical 2Mbit/s. VDSL isn’t an option despite my neighbour that shares the same copper cable going down the lane being able to get it. (never did get an explanation for that one). The house opposite them had fibre run to it last year when they rolled out the rest of the village but that is fed from the opposite direction as we are right on the boundary between to exchange areas. My guess is someone drew up the plan based on houses connected to that exchange without looking for other houses that would be quick wins and as every project has to have a limit that is fair enough.
I installed a 4G router with a Vodafone SIM as a temporary measure while enquiring about getting something better from Openreach. I ended up going down the USO route which I thought was going to get me VDSL but for some reason they couldn't arrange that and as luckily I’m in a EE blackspot that wasn’t an option either so they kindly gave me a price for installing FTTP which started off at £80,000 and then went up to £112,500 after they had a better think about it. Needless to say that I considered that a little out of my budget so politely declined.

Around the start of the year I put in my quarterly form to Openreach saying I’d like fibre in the future and the reply came back to say the computer said I could have it. After I picked myself up off the floor I stuck and order in quick and about a week later two chaps from Kelly’s turned up to do the install. We hit a small problem at that point when they asked if I knew where the duct was I pointed them to the one about 150m up the road. They went off to raise some more jobs on the system as this didn’t match what they had been told and I assumed it would get filed in the too hard / expensive pile.

Moving forward 7 months to the good bit and this week the road has been closed for two days while they ran 650m of fibre down to the bottom of the lane. This required at least 4 vans, 2 cherry pickers, 2 traffic management vans and a tree cutting team but I now have a 8 port CBT mounted to the pole outside my house and a 38 core fibre feeding it which seems a little over engineered to me! I’m delighted that they have done the work and I’m looking forward to getting my service activated but I have a nagging feeling that it might not have been the best use of their time and resources for just one customer.
The FTTPoD quote was well over the top but I’d be interested to see the bill for the job as 12 days of labour + materials + configuring the network + contractors is almost certainly more than they will ever earn back off of the install and I’m genuinely surprised it ever got signed off.

Now I just need to find a suitable place for the ONT as the current master socket is in the middle of the house which might be pushing my luck unless I get some really nice biscuits in and get the router built ready.
Standard User MHC
(sensei) Wed 14-Jul-21 14:39:01
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Re: Rural FTTP install


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You say 12 days of labour - but how many man-days in total? It could, from what you say, 60 or more on site. Add all of that plus materials, plant, vehicle costs &c and suddenly you really are getting up towards the £80k or more.


38 fibres - just wait until you get your monthly bill for all of them! They have to recover teh mobney somehow!


Find a place where the ONT can go - easily routed to from outside and then run your own Cat5e/Cat6 to your router location - better long term flexibility.


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Standard User FarmerStuart
(newbie) Wed 14-Jul-21 15:18:03
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By my count there were at least 6 Openreach guys there for 2 days plus the work that will have needed to be done elsewhere so I could easily imagine 20 man days for the job. I've no idea what Openreach costs an engineer at per day but I wouldn't be that shocked if it came to a £20k bill with materials on top.
I did query the fibre when I saw it but the reply was it was what they had on the van from another job. I like to plan a bit of spare capacity in when I install stuff but it did strike me that a trip to the stores for a smaller cable might have been a good idea.

What I was trying to get across in my first post was that the costs and effort for an install are way more than most people will consider.
If they'd come back and told me it was going to cost them that much I'd have told them I'd manage on 4G or pushed one of the other options but a frustration with the whole process is there isn't a way to actually talk to the people looking at the problem.

Regarding the ONT position there are a couple of places it could go so I'll offer some choices and see what works on the day.


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Standard User deleted
(deleted) Wed 14-Jul-21 17:16:43
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Funnily enough just last night we had fibre installed along our lane (just four houses in the middle of nowhere!) this was after four new poles were installed back in April. Quite surreal that we are the "chosen ones" but extremely pleasing!

We are a couple of miles from the cabinet so I daren't think how much it has cost - at least four new poles, and last night three vans, cherry picker, etc etc. The guy installing it said it was funded by a grant of some kind (I can't see Openreach ever recouping the costs from four houses!)

I'm in the same boat with the master socket and I'd really like the router to stay put where it is, so I'll be asking the question in the forum sometime soon smile
Standard User APTMAN
(committed) Thu 15-Jul-21 22:25:28
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In reply to a post by simonh__:
We are a couple of miles from the cabinet


FTTP has nothing to do with FTTC cabinets !
Ours goes 12 Miles to a 'Headend' exchange not our local one 3 miles away . !
Standard User Pheasant
(fountain of knowledge) Thu 15-Jul-21 23:21:56
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In reply to a post by APTMAN:
In reply to a post by simonh__:
We are a couple of miles from the cabinet


FTTP has nothing to do with FTTC cabinets !
Ours goes 12 Miles to a 'Headend' exchange not our local one 3 miles away . !

Not directly though. You will be connected to the nearest fibre aggregation node, which will in all likelihood also serve the fibre to the nearby FTTC cabinet.

FTTC and FTTP are both GEA (Generic Ethernet Access) services and they both eventually run back to a GEA Headend exchange as you've noted.
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