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I live in a neighbourhood with direct buried (armoured) telephone cables.
Openreach (contractors) are digging the paths and installing new ducting with Openreach branded rectangular boxes for each property with a blue pull cord sticking out.
I live at the end of a 30m tarmac driveway with some shared access to properties on either side.
Virgin Media is in the road but Virgin refused to install for me as their inspector who came out said it would not be economically viable for them to install it (my neighbours have it fine).
So I'm a bit concerned the same could happen with FTTP - if I came to order who has to pay for the final run from one of these small boxes to my property ? - Openreach or the ISP, because if Openreach passes the potential connection bill to the ISP I could see them rejecting it on cost grounds for presumably having to excavate the shared driveway.
Thanks !
Edited by starfire (Wed 14-Jul-21 19:04:58)
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Openreach don't necessarily serve your property with fibre in the same way as the copper. When there is direct buried copper, often they will install a pole to serve properties with aerial fibre.
In any case, it would be generally be decided at time of planning the rollout whether you will be served with fibre or not, rather than at the time of getting service installed to your property.
That is: either they will place a connection point somewhere to serve your property - in which case they will have decided on a viable connection route, and the ISP will be able to order it as usual - or they won't, in which case you won't be able to place an order in the first place.
I have not heard any cases of "excess construction charges" being applied to FTTP installations, and I'm not aware of any mechanism for such charges to be quoted or passed on.
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OK thanks - So I guess I've got to hope they put in a small connection box for my specific property.
A few new poles have gone up but only near properties already served via a pole.
All other local streets with direct buried cables are having excavation work taking place and individual connection boxes per property.
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These branded boxes, about 6 inches square and black ?
If so, this implies a ‘gabocom’ https://www.gabocom.com/ install might be used.
So when an order is placed, Openreach will come and asses what’s required to get tubing from the hatch to the outside of the premises …. This could be a soft dig, in grass/soil or gain permission to provide through tarmac, paviors, etc.
I think your best bet is to bite the bullet, and go ahead and order.
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They have just started digging my specific street and not got to my property yet (so cannot order).
They are rectangular boxes with Openreach embossed on them.
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….. like a small plastic hatch ?
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Metal that flip up, a bit like the ones for your water stopcock in the street eg. this
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That’s them.
Once you’re able, order………
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Yes I will when I can.
The question remains though, could they deem it too expensive to provide for my property like Virgin Media did ?
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Definitely agree: if your property shows as available to order, then order.
Your property may say "KCI2 assure" and this may require a surveyor visit (after your order is placed) to decide the details of how to connect your property.
The worst-case scenario is that at that point, they could decide it's not economic to do so and cancel the order. However this is unlikely, as they wouldn't have planned your property if they didn't think it could be connected.
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I have not heard any cases of "excess construction charges" being applied to FTTP installations, and I'm not aware of any mechanism for such charges to be quoted or passed on.
I have but it was long time ago. Think openreach just bite the bullet an swallow the cost in most cases, or don't allow an order in others
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I *personally* suspect it shouldn’t be an issue.
Could it be there’s a route to your property that might minimise the amount of ‘hard’ digging required.
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I have not heard any cases of "excess construction charges" being applied to FTTP installations, and I'm not aware of any mechanism for such charges to be quoted or passed on.
It does happen but quite rare; can count on one hand the amount of times we've seen it.
The last time was a few weeks ago, circa £3500 as the route Openreach originally expected was not viable. It was a rural install. Customer had the choice of accepting or sticking with their existing service. Was for approximately 70 meters of work including ducting.
Matt
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The above post has been made by an ISP REPRESENTATIVE (although not necessarily the ISP being discussed in the post).
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I live in a property with amoured lead ins - it mean't my street wasn't done until way after surrounding streets with poles.
The cables/manholes are on my side of the street, they came back a few months ago - dug a trench across the road and made a new trench up the otherside's path and put triangular toby's at each of the propertys.
On the checker my side shows - Footway turnkey install the other side has 'UG built to curtilage'
I ordered FTTP with BT today, i'm suspecting they will trench from the chamber to the front of my property and then duct under my garden and path.
My current VM does something similar.
External work is due to happen on Monday so I'll see how they do it then.
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Yes I will when I can.
The question remains though, could they deem it too expensive to provide for my property like Virgin Media did ?
OR dug up my 30m drive to replace an incorrect cable at no charge. Uno was the ISP and they put it back exactly as it had been.
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Do you have a route they can easily get from the path/road to your house ?
That's my concern.
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Ok gives me some hope.
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When I built our house BT Openreach gave me more than enough BT ducting and I laid it myself, about 100M
and I fed the 'Blue' rope in as I assembled it.
If they say No ask if they will supply ducting FOC and you/and neighbors will put it in.
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That’s a good point. I had an existing UG service connection on a terraced London house we redeveloped. Then subsequently installed a new lead-in as the existing was completely in the wrong place / no longer fit for purpose.
We paid OR the handsome sum of £1,900+VAT for the privilege of a new swept tee into their footpath duct network. The going rate from Virgin was £400. Both companies free issued their respective 54/56mm for our builders to install from the curtilage to the building.
I’m not sure what the score is if your not ‘developing’ or installing a new service connection, whether OR will still free issue their ducting etc. Worth a don’t ask, don’t get I suppose.
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Definitely agree: if your property shows as available to order, then order.
Your property may say "KCI2 assure" and this may require a surveyor visit (after your order is placed) to decide the details of how to connect your property.
The worst-case scenario is that at that point, they could decide it's not economic to do so and cancel the order. However this is unlikely, as they wouldn't have planned your property if they didn't think it could be connected.
Well I checked today and I can now order FTTP, it reports as "KCI2 Assure".
We have not had a toby installed to our property although other properties on the street have, we do have a large BT manhole near the end of our drive though.
I've ordered, will see what happens...
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Update on my install...
They were going to try and drag cable through to my master socket, I guess the armoured cable was buried from the middle of my garden. I explained I needed it in another place....
They dug down into my garden to intercept the duct before it was armoured. They brought the fibre across my garden in a metal conduit and brought it into my living room.
I was expecting them to have to dig from the chamber on the footpath but seems it was ducted into the garden - install took 90mins
Edit: my install was done on the final date in 1 stage by KN Circet (contractor)
Edited by BuckleZ (Mon 02-Aug-21 16:53:04)
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Well that was quick, an Openreach guy came around today and had a dig around my armoured cable just to check it definitely wasn't in a duct, which seems to be the case.
Had a look from the pavement CBT and the cables go ducted from there to the properties so at some unknown point the ducting ends and they are buried.
He advised he will arrange for a proper survey to be done and they will determine where to start digging. He didn't seem to think the 30m distance would be an issue in terms of any ECC.
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Just an update.
Sky have advised Openreach need to install 40m of ductinng and they need permission to work at one of my neighbours.
Sky are asking me if I can provide my neighbour's email address so they can in turn provide it to Openreach so they can then email my neighbour asking for this permission.
Sky advise that Openreach only send out letters once every 2 weeks asking for permission and therefore an email will speed up the process.
Anyone heard of this 2 week letter thing ? Seems a bit daft.
Don't really like asking for their personal email address to supply to someone else....
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If I were the neighbour I wouldn't have a problem with this, and if I did, I'd set up a temporary gmail account just for this purpose.
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If I were the neighbour I wouldn't have a problem with this, and if I did, I'd set up a temporary gmail account just for this purpose.
Some people wouldn't have an issue, some will.
Just can't understand the delay with Openreach writing a letter, seems mad, surely all this is computerised!!!??
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