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Standard User jpm
(experienced) Thu 26-May-22 18:03:34
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Openreach FTTP - Duct in neighbours front garden - wayleave?


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In North London (Highbury to be specific, though this is likely an issue in lots of places) the terraced houses have one copper DP between two properties. So for each pair of houses where the party wall is between the living rooms and not the front doors, an underground duct pops up in the front garden area of one property, there's a small DP on the wall, and then a copper line runs to the left to one house, and to the right for the other.

The end of the duct and the DP are positioned very much on one person's property - they don't straddle halfway between each house or anything like that. How do Openreach handle this situation when it comes to installing FTTP? Will there be wayleaves on file from decades ago when this was first put in that are generic enough that they also apply to fibre cabling? Will they seek new wayleaves to pull FTTP into these ducts, clip it to the wall and run it to the property that doesn't have the duct poking up in? Do they take the opportunity to lift the pavement and install a duct exit on the footpath for each property so they never have to worry about it again?
Standard User Pheasant
(knowledge is power) Thu 26-May-22 18:48:24
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Re: Openreach FTTP - Duct in neighbours front garden - wayle


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Precious little Openreach FTTP in Highbury. Mostly like the rest of Islington it’s covered in VM coax. More recently G Network have been busy cutting the roads up the past 18 months and where they have, they’ve simply run to a Toby on the curtilage.

Expect when OR extract the proverbial they will attempt to use their existing ducts for connection or simply do what G.Network and VM02 do and run from their chambers to another Toby and then shallow dig or surface mount a corrugated copex and run the drop through that.

Regarding wayleaves in these older properties…well they generally don’t exist. New builds will be different but the majority of Highbury is late Victiorian era terrace or semi-detached.
Standard User jpm
(experienced) Thu 26-May-22 19:58:51
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Re: Openreach FTTP - Duct in neighbours front garden - wayle


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I think I'm probably guilty of not asking the right question here. I'm interested even though it's going to be a few years before Openreach get around to it, but people like Hyperoptic and Community Fibre are in the area and take the PIA product. My understanding of PIA is that it doesn't come with wayleaves so for the new service to pop up in a neighbours garden and then run a short distance across their wall to you is going to require an agreement from the neighbour, or each network builder is going to have to build their own way from the BT chambers to the boundaries.

I guess it's probably not that common to have Victorian terraces with underground feeds so there's not going to be much of a precedent for how the connectivity is handled.


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Standard User Zarjaz
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Thu 26-May-22 20:05:36
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Re: Openreach FTTP - Duct in neighbours front garden - wayle


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So, in situations where a single duct provides a shared BT66 joint (or similar) and a subsequent FTTP installation went ahead, the CBT node was UG, the connectorised cable goes from the CBT through the duct, then left or right to the required property.

So whilst some small part might be attached to the neighbours wall, they would have to be some honking great gits to object, and vice versa.

The moral is, be nice to your neighbours, live and let live.

Standard User jpm
(experienced) Thu 26-May-22 20:46:10
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It's as you describe, and getting on with the neighbours isn't an issue. As long as nobody wanted to bolt a CBT onto their house I think we're good.
Standard User Pheasant
(knowledge is power) Thu 26-May-22 20:58:24
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Dare say much the same will happen as does now with VM - they ask if you’re the landowner or have their permission. You say yes, they don’t check the (neighbour) wayleave situation but on install day send in K’s and they sling it across the garden in green Flexi and happily hammer it up the wall. It’s been like that in London forever on private houses. Large blocks of flats etc obv. are a different matter.
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