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The website is not entirely clear. And customer sales seemed to be confused about the bridge mode on the supplied router, which just seems to turn off some of the mesh functionality rather than being a true Wan bridged mode.
It looks like the Genesis (integrated modem and router) kit is no longer used and there is now just a modem with RJ45 Wan port and the service is supplied with a Linksys Velop router. Can I just swap out the Linksys router for my own? Is it PPOE auth or something else?
I'm in Gloucestershire if that helps too. I'm a newbie to the FTTP terminology so forgive me for use of wrong words (perhaps?).😁. DOCSIS Cable and ADSL/VDSL has been my thing until now.
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I do not see why you can not use it.
I am Not with Gigaclear But Trunk Networks !.
From the FTTP ONT I have a RJ45 to my pfsense box, then wired House LAN network and a DMZ LAN for my server.
I use PPOE.
The pfsense box is for Routing and Firewall.
Edited by APTMAN (Wed 08-Jun-22 21:36:18)
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Just be aware that if you need to do PPPOE on pfSense, it's single threaded, so make sure you're using something with a lot of single threaded cpu performance to host pfSense. Running it on a less powerful cpu will mean speeds below what you'd expect.
If their device supports a proper bridge mode that will handle PPPOE for you, use that.
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If their device supports a proper bridge mode that will handle PPPOE for you, use that.
Bridge mode doesn't "handle" PPPoE: it simply passes it through unchanged.
Conversely: if a device terminates a PPPoE session, then it's a router, not a bridge.
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Edited by XGS_Is_On (Thu 09-Jun-22 00:05:58)
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If their device supports a proper bridge mode that will handle PPPOE for you, use that.
Bridge mode doesn't "handle" PPPoE: it simply passes it through unchanged.
Conversely: if a device terminates a PPPoE session, then it's a router, not a bridge.
A device that purely terminates the PPPoE, strips the PPP headers and hands Ethernet off is behaving as a bridge.
No. What you are describing is ethernet over PPP, not PPP over ethernet. PPPoE consists of PPP packets which are encapsulated *inside* ethernet frames.
When using PPPoE for Internet access, then you have IP(v4/v6) datagrams inside PPP frames inside ethernet.
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If you strip off both the ethernet and PPP encapsulation, then you have a naked IP datagram. Forwarding datagrams is a layer 3 (routing) activity. At minimum, you'd have to re-encapsulate it in a new ethernet frame via ARP, in order to resend it out of an ethernet port.
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The website is not entirely clear. And customer sales seemed to be confused about the bridge mode on the supplied router, which just seems to turn off some of the mesh functionality rather than being a true Wan bridged mode.
It looks like the Genesis (integrated modem and router) kit is no longer used and there is now just a modem with RJ45 Wan port and the service is supplied with a Linksys Velop router. Can I just swap out the Linksys router for my own? Is it PPOE auth or something else?
I'm in Gloucestershire if that helps too. I'm a newbie to the FTTP terminology so forgive me for use of wrong words (perhaps?).😁. DOCSIS Cable and ADSL/VDSL has been my thing until now.
“We are unable to swap the modem or Genexis router out directly because of its optic-decoding function. The Lynksys Velop unit you will recieve as part of your installation can be changed for a 3rd party router of your choice, however we are unable to assist with the set up of this.
You can give us a ring on 01865 591131 or send a message to [email protected] for more guidance.”
From their FAQ page:
https://www.gigaclear.com/help/technical-support
Plug and play.
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Thanks. Don't know how I missed that ...🙄
So it'll work and hopefully they'll be forthcoming on how to get it to authenticate.
Install is 21 June. I'll post here with details once I get it working, for others to use.
Surprised there isn't more chatter about Gigaclear on here. Jubilee special is £20/month with free install for 400Mb/s symmetric. Static IP is £2/month extra. Prices held until Oct 23. Seems like spectacular value. And orders of magnitude faster than the wet-string VDSL I get here.
Edited by albany11 (Thu 09-Jun-22 11:23:04)
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Just be aware that if you need to do PPPOE on pfSense, it's single threaded, so make sure you're using something with a lot of single threaded cpu performance to host pfSense. Running it on a less powerful cpu will mean speeds below what you'd expect.
If their device supports a proper bridge mode that will handle PPPOE for you, use that.
Thanks. I'll check the specs and bear in mind it might be a bottle-neck.
It looks like on the older Genisis kit it could be configured from the provider side, as a proper bridge mode. Not sure what kit I'll get.
My pfsense device has never been heavily loaded on cpu before (rarely above 10%) but that was on a Virgin connection - so nice clean TCP/IP from the off. Might suck it and see. Was on 350/35 before, now on 400/400.
Edited by albany11 (Thu 09-Jun-22 09:18:06)
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Gigaclear don't use PPPoE, just DHCP. I have a Ubiquiti Dream Machine plugged into the ONT/modem that they supplied and it works fine. This is what they told me when I asked them about this originally:
"You will be able to use any router you would like. The router will need to be set up so it can receive dynamic IP address which you can do through the router settings."
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Incidentally, I don't think you'll be disappointed with Gigaclear, it's absolutely excellent. Here's my live BQM graph if you're interested: https://www.thinkbroadband.com/broadband/monitoring/...
That's with two adults working full time from home and two teanagers watching a lot of Netflix.
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I started riffing on cable modems rather than PPP - I'll remove the incoherent nonsense from last night and perhaps try again when I'm thinking more clearly, have more time, and reflect on the wisdom of posting on forums after some IPAs and Belgian strong ales.
Ooops! Apologies.
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Install 21 June or is it really 21 March (like 2023!) ?
Let us know what kit they install in lieu of the Genexis box.
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Ooops 🙈. Corrected above. Yes June - the excitement overcame me 😁.
Yes, good idea. I'll post a bit of info on the kit that gets installed.
Edited by albany11 (Thu 09-Jun-22 11:25:58)
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Incidentally, I don't think you'll be disappointed with Gigaclear, it's absolutely excellent. Here's my live BQM graph if you're interested: https://www.thinkbroadband.com/broadband/monitoring/...
That's with two adults working full time from home and two teanagers watching a lot of Netflix.
Wow! Never had that with residential stuff (and certainly never on DOCSIS)..What speeds are you on?
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I'm on 600Mbps for £30. I also pay an additional £2/month for a fixed IP.
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My install was done in January this year and the ONT is a DKT Comega 79745 (with Gigaclear branding).
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I'd just like to drop in another confirmation that you can use your own router.
I had my service installed last week in a new area (Bagshot) with a Adtran SDX 622v XGS-PON ONT (So PON, not P2P!)
Turned off the ONT for 10 minutes, then connected up to a router running OPNsense with the default WAN port config (DHCP). All running great.
Edited by BlueWave97890 (Thu 09-Jun-22 14:16:25)
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I had my service installed last week in a new area (Bagshot) with a Adtran SDX 622v XGS-PON ONT (So PON, not P2P!)
Interesting curveball. Thanks for sharing.
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I have opnsense running on a Qotom connected to a Genexis box running in bridge mode. The Qotom uses DHCP to get its IP address.and is configured to use a 1,000 Mbps connection.
Michael Chare
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In the end, I had to defer my install.
All very slick and done on Monday morning.
As noted above, the Gigaclear stuff offers up a WAN IP via DHCP. So it is simply plug and play to use your own router..
The current kit supplied by Gigaclear is a DKT Comega 79745 FTTH 1Gbps Gateway..
Wired speeds are exactly as reported with about 8ms latency and negligible jitter. The installation is neat and exactly where I wanted it.
Very satisfied Nothing else to report!
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Just be aware that if you need to do PPPOE on pfSense, it's single threaded, so make sure you're using something with a lot of single threaded cpu performance to host pfSense. Running it on a less powerful cpu will mean speeds below what you'd expect.
If their device supports a proper bridge mode that will handle PPPOE for you, use that.
I know its not relevant to this thread, but for future reference there are very cheap boxes that comfortable handle PPP on pfSense now. I have a Celeron N5105 powered box with four 2.5Gbit NICs from Aliexpress and it has no problems at all and idles around 11W. I even can load balance with a Three 5G connection (using an external router) and reach speeds over Gigabit.
It bottlenecks on OpenVPN at around 600Mbit, I've seen Wireguard reach up to around 850Mbit though and that's possibly bottlenecking at the other end rather than pfSense as I've been having performance issues in general with my VPN provider lately.
Edited by alexatkin (Fri 15-Jul-22 13:18:21)
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Also worth considering a Wyse / Dell thin client like the 5070, these can be had for around £70 on eBay. The "extended" 5070 has a PCIe slot so you can add a low-profile multi-port NIC. Alternatively add a USB3 NIC to the non-extended version.
I think I've seen someone saying 5070s only pull 5W at idle.
https://forum.netgate.com/topic/160381/dell-wyse-5070
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Gigaclear don't use PPPoE, just DHCP. I have a Ubiquiti Dream Machine plugged into the ONT/modem that they supplied and it works fine. This is what they told me when I asked them about this originally:
"You will be able to use any router you would like. The router will need to be set up so it can receive dynamic IP address which you can do through the router settings."
I'm about to upgrade a client to a UDM SE. They currently use the GigaClear Genexis router that GigaClear supplied.
I Have spoken to GigaClear and they confirmed that DHCP on the WAN side is all that is required, they make no mention of VLAN ID's, but I have also read there is a need to set the VLAN ID to 100. Can anyone confirm this is the case.
Edited by mrwrighty (Tue 10-Jan-23 10:04:13)
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I have also read there is a need to set the VLAN ID to 100. Can anyone confirm this is the case.
I didn't need to do anything with VLANs. Just a simple DHCP setting on the WAN port. Nothing else.
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What difference would it make? Whether static or dynamic, it will still be learned via DHCP.
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From what I know you should not need to set a VLAN ID. I don't see anything on our internal documentation for our DHCP servers.
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Also worth considering a Wyse / Dell thin client like the 5070, these can be had for around £70 on eBay. The "extended" 5070 has a PCIe slot so you can add a low-profile multi-port NIC. Alternatively add a USB3 NIC to the non-extended version.
I think I've seen someone saying 5070s only pull 5W at idle.
https://forum.netgate.com/topic/160381/dell-wyse-5070
i have been looking at one of them, I did not realise they had a PCIe slot. I was thinking of goinjg for opensense or PFsense, i also thinking of buying 2, one for Home assistant as well
Adrian
Desktop machine Ryzen powered with windows something or other.
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I’m using a Draytek with Gigaclear as of Dec 22 (300/300).
It’s just a DHCP lease, no VLAN tag is reqd.
The lease is only 5 minutes, several times a day GC’s DHCP server doesn’t respond in time to the Draytek’s renewal requests (the 2862’s DHCP client doesn’t have any options so retry policy can’t be adjusted). The WAN connection is dropped as a result and has to be re-established. Using Option 51 to request a longer lease has no effect.
Speeds are as advertised but browsing seems slower than with the previous FTTC connection on the same Draytek device. I’ve implemented Dnsmasq on another machine on the LAN which has helped a bit. There are other issues with failed timed out connections to internet servers, but this might be due to the fact it’s due the servers seeing too many connections in a given time period due to the rapidity of the fibre. I haven’t got time to troubleshoot all this tho.
It’s a free trial, I probably won’t take up the offer at the end.
Edited by simoh (Thu 12-Jan-23 11:47:12)
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I use a Draytek 2862 with no problems. I had to turn off traffic analysis to get full speeds 400/400 as per Draytek documentation., Otherwise it is perfect.
I use it in dual WAN with a backup VDSL connection. All very nice. My pfsense device is still in an undiscovered removals box somewhere 🙄
I haven't looked at the WAN DHCP lease times but I'm not having the problem you describe.
I have a static IP which perhaps makes a difference. But it i still delivered via DHCP so I assume has the same lease time settings. I ran for a few days on dynamic IP, because that part of the order was forgotten (easily resolved with a quick phone call)! Worked fine on the Draytek.
As to quality, I noticed ping times come down around mid-December in my area - I reckon some different routing by Gigaclear - pings briefly went up to 900ms while they did it.... Speeds have always been good but pings were slightly disappointing (about 10ms). Now consistently 6-7ms. So I'm guessing Giigaclear are still adjusting internal routing and perhaps peering arrangements.
I have no connection with the business and can't fault the service. I think the supplied Linksys kit is a bit rubbish (having p[played with a neighbour's stuff only last night) but the network seems spot on.
Edited by albany11 (Thu 12-Jan-23 12:49:16)
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Also worth considering a Wyse / Dell thin client like the 5070, these can be had for around £70 on eBay. The "extended" 5070 has a PCIe slot so you can add a low-profile multi-port NIC. Alternatively add a USB3 NIC to the non-extended version.
I think I've seen someone saying 5070s only pull 5W at idle.
https://forum.netgate.com/topic/160381/dell-wyse-5070
If i got myself a Wyse 5070, where would I get the second Nic card from? I have looked on eBay, but nothing worth bothering with. The other Wyse units don't have any expansion slots by the looks of it. Wyse 5070 are more expensive, but I don't mind that if I can get a NIC card.
I am also looking at one of the other ones for mucking around with home assistant
Adrian
Desktop machine Ryzen powered with windows something or other.
Plusnet FTTC
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I found a photo on Dell's site: the 5070 has a slot marked "Discrete Graphics Expansion Slot" but I'm guessing it's just a low-profile PCIe slot.
If so, just get a suitable card from Amazon. Preferably Intel based - they work well across all operating systems. Avoid Realtek (RTL), Broadcom (BCM).
Might as well get a dual-port one, they're hardly any more expensive: e.g.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Intel-Gigabit-Network-Adapt...
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I found a photo on Dell's site: the 5070 has a slot marked "Discrete Graphics Expansion Slot" but I'm guessing it's just a low-profile PCIe slot.
If so, just get a suitable card from Amazon. Preferably Intel based - they work well across all operating systems. Avoid Realtek (RTL), Broadcom (BCM).
Might as well get a dual-port one, they're hardly any more expensive: e.g.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Intel-Gigabit-Network-Adapt...
cheers, I have been having a look on ebay and some then are over £100, i think I may leave it for a while, but I will get one of the lower end Wyse machines and use it for home assistant
Adrian
Desktop machine Ryzen powered with windows something or other.
Plusnet FTTC
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The PCIe slot definitely takes a NIC.
The HP NC364T 4-port is known to work and got for £10 to £15 on eBay, some with the lower-profile bracket, others not but you can also get a LP bracket cheap on eBay.
Alternatively go for a HP NC360T 2-port NIC if you don't need 4 ports - likely lower power consumption is 4W typical according to the quicspec sheet.
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The PCIe slot definitely takes a NIC.
The HP NC364T 4-port is known to work and got for £10 to £15 on eBay, some with the lower-profile bracket, others not but you can also get a LP bracket cheap on eBay.
Alternatively go for a HP NC360T 2-port NIC if you don't need 4 ports - likely lower power consumption is 4W typical according to the quicspec sheet.
The Hp looks pretty good and a good price, but what about Wi-fi, would a USB Wifi dongle work?
Adrian
Desktop machine Ryzen powered with windows something or other.
Plusnet FTTC
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Those older cards are pretty power hungry and something to think about these days.
The HP NC364T is over 12w on its own where a more modern card is 4-5w.
Also worth looking at hardware that has been overlooked due to lack of full size PCI-E ports as there are mini PCI-E dual network ports available now.
Example
http://www.commell.com.tw/Product/Peripheral/PCI%20E...
Also worth considering a J4125 based box from China and virtualising your router and have capacity for a number of other appliances.
https://www.servethehome.com/topton-intel-j4125-4x-i...
I have this and it runs 5-6 virtual containers, draws around 6w and doesn't even break a sweat, quite literally.
I would not be tempted to go for the slightly better performance of the later models as they appear to have issues with heat.
OPNSense
PiHole
Unifi for Wifi
Edited by smouty (Mon 16-Jan-23 21:17:25)
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I have this and it runs 5-6 virtual containers, draws around 6w and doesn't even break a sweat, quite literally.
If you have used any computer that quite literally breaks a sweat, then I would be very surprised (unless it has a water cooling system that has developed a leak).
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It was just an idea, something to ply with, well not play with, but you know what I mean, just something different, but it seems to be more hassle than it is worth and costly.
Reading about Pfsense and Opsense and it is recommended not to use Wifi via the software, but to use another router and use the Wi-fi from that, so that means three units drawing energy, modem, PFsense box and the router supplying the Wi-fi.
Thanks for the help peep, but i think I will go back to my original plan at least for a while and get myself a cheap Dell wyse like the 5060 and use it to muck around with home assistant and maybe later on In the year when I know what is happening and what I am doing and how much living is going to cost i will have a look at maybe getting one of the router boxes.,
Adrian
Desktop machine Ryzen powered with windows something or other.
Plusnet FTTC
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