FTTPoD quote increase - and is it coming anyway?

In Early August I received a build cost for FTTPoD quoted through Cerberus Networks. The total was £11,622.
I intended to proceed with this quote, but unfortunately, the 30 days expired before I could make the commitment to proceed.

I was told that I needed to request a requote and paid for a second survey in October.
The new quote has come through with a build cost of £21,858.00!

In the meantime I have noticed what might be openreach equipment installed on our poles - no CBTs in evidence though.

[img]https://i.imgur.com/CLILtzC.jpg[/img]

Any helpful suggestions?

In the meantime I have noticed what might be openreach equipment installed on our poles - no CBTs in evidence though.

[img]https://i.imgur.com/CLILtzC.jpg[/img]

Any helpful suggestions?

That IS Openreach line plant, but copper, NOT FTTP

In reply to a post by Zarjaz:

That IS Openreach line plant, but copper, NOT FTTP

That's helpful actually as implies the "just wait" isn't quite as close as I hoped it'd be.

Still shocking price increase - which Cerberus say is a result of Openreach's new pricing models and that although they have asked Openreach to honour the slightly old pricing (for me and some other clients) they have so far been immobile.

I've sent a message to Clive Selley - looks like that's the only avenue remaining

Depending where you are and whether you'd end up with ECCs, 11 grand is roughly what three years of a leased line would cost.

In reply to a post by jpm:

Depending where you are and whether you'd end up with ECCs, 11 grand is roughly what three years of a leased line would cost.

I looked into this earlier in the year, and the indicitive ECCs were £10-15k - which is why I was going to go ahead with FTTPoD (as this was in the same price range, and lower monthly)

Even looking at the new price the 3 year price is probably lower than a leased line ECCs factored in - and doesn't require a new install at the end of the period.

Definitely worth chancing your luck through the escalations team - You've nothing to lose, especially when the cost has doubled that much with no real enviromental change.

Of course for Openreach their data could of been incorrect/incomplete for the old quote or they just don't want the business...(which if they want to focus on their native roll out, is the most plausable).

In reply to a post by Jabes:

That's helpful actually as implies the "just wait" isn't quite as close as I hoped it'd be.

Still shocking price increase - which Cerberus say is a result of Openreach's new pricing models and that although they have asked Openreach to honour the slightly old pricing (for me and some other clients) they have so far been immobile.

I've sent a message to Clive Selley - looks like that's the only avenue remaining

£21k sound like rip off rather than old pricing £11k. I would wait for FTTP to come. Don't bother with FTTPoD cos Openreach will be laughing at u with their profits money.

Edited by adslmax (Sun 11-Dec-22 16:20:05)

Some people can't and won't wait for the OR FTTP build to come.

Where I live FTTPoD is looking like the only way of getting FTTP before 2030 as our OR build date seems to have gone from 2021-2025 to 2026-2030 for the build window.

Gigaclear are supposed to be coming in 2023/2024 but who knows.

So I'm currently waiting on Cerberus to provide me with a further update on pricing.

But £21K? I will not paying that! I must be crazy and madness if I did pay OR £21k to bring FTTPoD in my property. I can wait until 2026 for FTTP.

FTTC are fine for now 80/20.

This is just one of thousands of threads in this forum that isn't about your situation, max.

In reply to a post by Jabes:

Still shocking price increase - which Cerberus say is a result of Openreach's new pricing models and that although they have asked Openreach to honour the slightly old pricing (for me and some other clients) they have so far been immobile.

I've sent a message to Clive Selley - looks like that's the only avenue remaining

The average floor prices of FoD have been successively climbing these past few years in any event.

Openreach were openly considering scrapping FoD completely earlier this year and were persuaded by CPs like Cerberus to keep it. It’s really a distraction now to their main commercial rollout (and diversion of otherwise scarce resources).

No doubt with this most recent step change, they are now just pricing it completely out of the ballpark as an outright discouragement for folks - in my Aussie vernacular, FoD looks like it’s being pitched at “f-off” money basically.

I'm obviously really disappointed, but it'll be a commercial decision for me at the end of the day.
It still beats a leased line cost over 3 years; ... but starlink is now providing some cover (though with outage in the current snowstorm). FTTC here is 15/0.5

Did you get a final/committed price on leased line ECCs (using Openreach tails)? Did they come and actually survey it or was it a desktop/indicative quote from the provider?

There may be some mileage in getting a firm quote if not.

In reply to a post by Pheasant:

Did you get a final/committed price on leased line ECCs (using Openreach tails)? Did they come and actually survey it or was it a desktop/indicative quote from the provider?

It was an indicative quote (saw screenshot from an openreach tool)

And if you waited 30 days and ordered another survey it would be different again.
It's unlikely anything new was discovered on the 2nd survey.

It's just luck of the draw on who you get doing your survey.

In reply to a post by adslmax:

But £21K? I will not paying that! I must be crazy and madness if I did pay OR £21k to bring FTTPoD in my property. I can wait until 2026 for FTTP.

FTTC are fine for now 80/20.

You have some high speed options available at your premises from what I remember you bleating on about last time and that it wasn't fast enough. You're an enigma, but I can't wait for 2026-2030 for Openreach to bring FTTP to my premises, so need to evaluate options and costings.

In reply to a post by Bryer:

You have some high speed options available at your premises from what I remember you bleating on about last time and that it wasn't fast enough.

Actually, Max bleats on that G.Fast is *too fast* for what he needs, so he went back to FTTC. He then complains that the BTW checker shows slower predicted G.Fast speeds for his property than the actual ones he achieved. He complains that FTTP isn't currently being built where he lives.

In reply to a post by candlerb:

He then complains that the BTW checker shows slower predicted G.Fast speeds for his property than the actual ones he achieved. He complains that FTTP isn't currently being built where he lives.

And he has Virgin available as well....