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Standard User gameinn
(newbie) Mon 02-Jan-23 03:01:22
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Needing clarification on Eero models for FTTC and FTTP


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I'm finding it hard to get this info. I'm looking for a good future proof router that can handle both FTTC and FTTP connection via BT. I think the Eero setup seems interesting because well not perfect, atleast is better than most stuff and generally low physical footprint. Plus I like the addition of SQM CAKE on the eero Pro 2nd gen (non 6). The 6 models have a worse version of SQM.

The super simple solution: Get the eero Pro 2nd gen but this is where I get lost. From what I understand, the 2nd gen model does not handle PPPoE directly and needs a modem in bridge mode (FTTC connection). That's fine obviously it acts just how every other router would.

The problem is that apparently the eero 6 models actually do have PPPoE support which means when FTTP is available (the future proof part) then it's just a case of plugging directly into the ONT (my understading anyway). I cannot find any info on if the eero Pro 2nd gen units would do this.
Standard User Pheasant
(knowledge is power) Mon 02-Jan-23 07:23:18
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Re: Needing clarification on Eero models for FTTC and FTTP


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Cross link back to ISPR forum thread etc…

https://www.ispreview.co.uk/talk/threads/needing-cla...
Standard User candlerb
(knowledge is power) Mon 02-Jan-23 10:02:34
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Re: Needing clarification on Eero models for FTTC and FTTP


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In reply to a post by gameinn:
From what I understand, the 2nd gen model does not handle PPPoE directly and needs a modem in bridge mode (FTTC connection).

That doesn't make sense. A "modem in bridge mode" just passes through the PPP frames as PPPoE, therefore it gives no assistance to the router to deal with the PPPoE session.

An example of a dedicated box for this is the Draytek Vigor 130. It takes the PPP frames from your FTTC connection (which may be PPPoA or PPPoEoA) and emits them as PPPoE over its ethernet port. You still need a router to terminate the PPPoE session.

Any router which can connect to an FTTC modem like the Vigor 130, can also connect directly to an Openreach ONT for FTTP. Both will see PPPoE frames on the WAN port.

As for the capabilities of the Eero devices, I have no experience. But it does seem odd that you seem to be intent on buying the older version of the device, since you have the impression that the newer version has "a worse version of SQM". How sure are you that this is true? And even if it is, how big a difference would it make in practice?

The newer model is almost certainly going to be supported with software updates for a longer period, and hence should last longer before it ends up in landfill.


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Standard User jpm
(experienced) Mon 02-Jan-23 22:21:37
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Re: Needing clarification on Eero models for FTTC and FTTP


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Honestly if you want something that has a specific type of QoS then you need to get something powerful enough to do what you need while running OpenWRT, or look at an x86 box. Eero's QoS algorithm isn't mentioned in their marketing material so there's no guarantees it won't be changed out in future, or the options you want to configure it might not always be there.
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