Getting a Leased Line from TalkTalk Business 1Gb (Omada)

Hi all,

I just received a final quote for a 1Gbit up and down leased line from TalkTalk Business at £306 (inc. VAT). (wires only) Now my question is, my whole house is networked with Omada's (TP-Link) equipment. The router I will be using is the ER605 (https://www.tp-link.com/uk/business-networking/omada-sdn-router/er605/#specifications) which will receive the internet from the ONT box.

That feeds into several WAPs and switches across the house.(all are 1Gbit switches)

Now during the final process of ordering, they said I need at least a 2Gbit router to be able to do 1Gbit up and down at the same time. Now I know gbit port is full duplex which means it can do 1gbit both ways. But the TalkTalk rep guy said I need a 2Gbit router. Omada doesn't do multi-Gbit router, only 1Gbit.

Will the above router works in my scenario? (even if I don't attain full 2Gbit up and down at the same time, at least 1.8Gbit should be fine with me)

Another question is, is that a good deal? Would I be better off getting the provided router from TTB and let them fully manage it?

FYI, I can only get FFTC at the moment at 32 Mbps max (32 download and 8 upload). I'm also using a 5G Sim card in a Huawei CPE Pro 2 Router in the loft with external antennas which can get me 200Mbps down and 20 Mbps up when uncapped. When I reach 600GB traffic, it gets capped to 4G speed which is around 100Mbps down 10 Mbps up. But the 5G/4G connection is very flaky, it drops all the time, it breaks Teams meeting, online gaming, download stuck for few seconds, web pages dont load sometimes. That's why I'm looking into a leased line.

Any advices on this would be greatly appreciated.

Many thanks,

Edited by RiDER07 (Fri 02-Jun-23 09:35:09)

I am glad I am not the only one looking at a leased line. It's overkill, and a bit mental but I have someone who is 100% a home worker and FTTC falls over from time to time and it's a pain to fix.

You don't need a 2Gbit router to do 1Gbit up and down at the same time, that is complete nonsense

1Gbps is usually up and down, but that does not mean 2Gbps.

I think £306 a month is pretty good considering the base OR cost for a 1Gbps EAD is £252 a month.

Edited by gorebrush (Fri 02-Jun-23 10:16:13)

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In reply to a post by gorebrush:

I am glad I am not the only one looking at a leased line. It's overkill, and a bit mental but I have someone who is 100% a home worker and FTTC falls over from time to time and it's a pain to fix.

You don't need a 2Gbit router to do 1Gbit up and down at the same time, that is complete nonsense

1Gbps is usually up and down, but that does not mean 2Gbps.

I think £306 a month is pretty good consideing the base OR cost for a 1Gbps EAD is £252 a month.

What's EAD? What's the difference?

Oh, it's a leased line from Openreach.

A couple of points:
TalkTalk Business use a /31 subnet for the WAN connection. Normally the smallest permitted subnet is /30, however RFC 3021 was introduced to eliminate the unnecesary waste of IPv4 addresses on point-to-point links. Not all routers support this.

Leased lines supplied over Openreach circuits use a NTE not an ONT. These are usually rack mounted, but can be attached to a wall, and have fans so consider where it will be sited.

In reply to a post by tdw42:

A couple of points:
TalkTalk Business use a /31 subnet for the WAN connection. Normally the smallest permitted subnet is /30, however RFC 3021 was introduced to eliminate the unnecesary waste of IPv4 addresses on point-to-point links. Not all routers support this.

Leased lines supplied over Openreach circuits use a NTE not an ONT. These are usually rack mounted, but can be attached to a wall, and have fans so consider where it will be sited.

The sales guys said ONT on the wall. which will have an ethernet out to my own router (ER 605 Omada).

What other questions do I need to ask him apart from the subnet one?

Thanks.

In reply to a post by tdw42:

A couple of points:
TalkTalk Business use a /31 subnet for the WAN connection. Normally the smallest permitted subnet is /30, however RFC 3021 was introduced to eliminate the unnecesary waste of IPv4 addresses on point-to-point links. Not all routers support this.

Leased lines supplied over Openreach circuits use a NTE not an ONT. These are usually rack mounted, but can be attached to a wall, and have fans so consider where it will be sited.

And also, what does /31 subnet means and how can that affect me? All I want is internet plugged in my router and off I go.

In reply to a post by RiDER07:

The sales guys said ONT on the wall. which will have an ethernet out to my own router (ER 605 Omada).

What other questions do I need to ask him apart from the subnet one?

Salespeople are often incorrect regarding technical matters.

Openreach-based leased lines use ADVA FSP150 as the NTE, usually with a fibre connection to the client router although copper is now an option.

Is it really a leased line - there is a half-way-house which uses Openreach FTTP, which would have an ONT, but has dedicated bandwidth from the exchange to the ISP and SLA guarantees. Spitfire offer a 100/100 uncontended symmetric FTTP-based service for £250/mo, for example.

In reply to a post by RiDER07:

And also, what does /31 subnet means and how can that affect me? All I want is internet plugged in my router and off I go.

It is how they configure the WAN connection.

With it being wires-only they will expect the customer to have a compatible router and be able to configure the WAN interface - it isn't just a case of plugging it in. You could try some Eero forums to check if a /31 subnet is supported and how to configure the WAN address.