Getting a Leased Line from TalkTalk Business 1Gb (Omada)

Hi all,

I just received a final quote for a 1Gbit up and down leased line from TalkTalk Business at £306 (inc. VAT). (wires only) Now my question is, my whole house is networked with Omada's (TP-Link) equipment. The router I will be using is the ER605 (https://www.tp-link.com/uk/business-networking/omada-sdn-router/er605/#specifications) which will receive the internet from the ONT box.

That feeds into several WAPs and switches across the house.(all are 1Gbit switches)

Now during the final process of ordering, they said I need at least a 2Gbit router to be able to do 1Gbit up and down at the same time. Now I know gbit port is full duplex which means it can do 1gbit both ways. But the TalkTalk rep guy said I need a 2Gbit router. Omada doesn't do multi-Gbit router, only 1Gbit.

Will the above router works in my scenario? (even if I don't attain full 2Gbit up and down at the same time, at least 1.8Gbit should be fine with me)

Another question is, is that a good deal? Would I be better off getting the provided router from TTB and let them fully manage it?

FYI, I can only get FFTC at the moment at 32 Mbps max (32 download and 8 upload). I'm also using a 5G Sim card in a Huawei CPE Pro 2 Router in the loft with external antennas which can get me 200Mbps down and 20 Mbps up when uncapped. When I reach 600GB traffic, it gets capped to 4G speed which is around 100Mbps down 10 Mbps up. But the 5G/4G connection is very flaky, it drops all the time, it breaks Teams meeting, online gaming, download stuck for few seconds, web pages dont load sometimes. That's why I'm looking into a leased line.

Any advices on this would be greatly appreciated.

Many thanks,

Edited by RiDER07 (Fri 02-Jun-23 09:35:09)

I am glad I am not the only one looking at a leased line. It's overkill, and a bit mental but I have someone who is 100% a home worker and FTTC falls over from time to time and it's a pain to fix.

You don't need a 2Gbit router to do 1Gbit up and down at the same time, that is complete nonsense

1Gbps is usually up and down, but that does not mean 2Gbps.

I think £306 a month is pretty good considering the base OR cost for a 1Gbps EAD is £252 a month.

Edited by gorebrush (Fri 02-Jun-23 10:16:13)

Post deleted by RiDER07

In reply to a post by gorebrush:

I am glad I am not the only one looking at a leased line. It's overkill, and a bit mental but I have someone who is 100% a home worker and FTTC falls over from time to time and it's a pain to fix.

You don't need a 2Gbit router to do 1Gbit up and down at the same time, that is complete nonsense

1Gbps is usually up and down, but that does not mean 2Gbps.

I think £306 a month is pretty good consideing the base OR cost for a 1Gbps EAD is £252 a month.

What's EAD? What's the difference?

Oh, it's a leased line from Openreach.

A couple of points:
TalkTalk Business use a /31 subnet for the WAN connection. Normally the smallest permitted subnet is /30, however RFC 3021 was introduced to eliminate the unnecesary waste of IPv4 addresses on point-to-point links. Not all routers support this.

Leased lines supplied over Openreach circuits use a NTE not an ONT. These are usually rack mounted, but can be attached to a wall, and have fans so consider where it will be sited.

In reply to a post by tdw42:

A couple of points:
TalkTalk Business use a /31 subnet for the WAN connection. Normally the smallest permitted subnet is /30, however RFC 3021 was introduced to eliminate the unnecesary waste of IPv4 addresses on point-to-point links. Not all routers support this.

Leased lines supplied over Openreach circuits use a NTE not an ONT. These are usually rack mounted, but can be attached to a wall, and have fans so consider where it will be sited.

The sales guys said ONT on the wall. which will have an ethernet out to my own router (ER 605 Omada).

What other questions do I need to ask him apart from the subnet one?

Thanks.

In reply to a post by tdw42:

A couple of points:
TalkTalk Business use a /31 subnet for the WAN connection. Normally the smallest permitted subnet is /30, however RFC 3021 was introduced to eliminate the unnecesary waste of IPv4 addresses on point-to-point links. Not all routers support this.

Leased lines supplied over Openreach circuits use a NTE not an ONT. These are usually rack mounted, but can be attached to a wall, and have fans so consider where it will be sited.

And also, what does /31 subnet means and how can that affect me? All I want is internet plugged in my router and off I go.

In reply to a post by RiDER07:

The sales guys said ONT on the wall. which will have an ethernet out to my own router (ER 605 Omada).

What other questions do I need to ask him apart from the subnet one?

Salespeople are often incorrect regarding technical matters.

Openreach-based leased lines use ADVA FSP150 as the NTE, usually with a fibre connection to the client router although copper is now an option.

Is it really a leased line - there is a half-way-house which uses Openreach FTTP, which would have an ONT, but has dedicated bandwidth from the exchange to the ISP and SLA guarantees. Spitfire offer a 100/100 uncontended symmetric FTTP-based service for £250/mo, for example.

In reply to a post by RiDER07:

And also, what does /31 subnet means and how can that affect me? All I want is internet plugged in my router and off I go.

It is how they configure the WAN connection.

With it being wires-only they will expect the customer to have a compatible router and be able to configure the WAN interface - it isn't just a case of plugging it in. You could try some Eero forums to check if a /31 subnet is supported and how to configure the WAN address.

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In reply to a post by RiDER07:

And also, what does /31 subnet means and how can that affect me? All I want is internet plugged in my router and off I go.

It is how they configure the WAN connection.

With it being wires-only they will expect the customer to have a compatible router and be able to configure the WAN interface - it isn't just a case of plugging it in. You could try some Eero forums to check if a /31 subnet is supported and how to configure the WAN address.

Fairly sure setting a static IP with a /31 is fairly trivial and completely possible with an Eero.

In reply to a post by tdw42:

In reply to a post by RiDER07:

The sales guys said ONT on the wall. which will have an ethernet out to my own router (ER 605 Omada).

What other questions do I need to ask him apart from the subnet one?

Salespeople are often incorrect regarding technical matters.

Openreach-based leased lines use ADVA FSP150 as the NTE, usually with a fibre connection to the client router although copper is now an option.

Is it really a leased line - there is a half-way-house which uses Openreach FTTP, which would have an ONT, but has dedicated bandwidth from the exchange to the ISP and SLA guarantees. Spitfire offer a 100/100 uncontended symmetric FTTP-based service for £250/mo, for example.

I was told it will be ethernet from the box (whether it's ONT or NTE), that I can plug directly into my router.

In reply to a post by tdw42:

In reply to a post by RiDER07:

And also, what does /31 subnet means and how can that affect me? All I want is internet plugged in my router and off I go.

It is how they configure the WAN connection.

With it being wires-only they will expect the customer to have a compatible router and be able to configure the WAN interface - it isn't just a case of plugging it in. You could try some Eero forums to check if a /31 subnet is supported and how to configure the WAN address.

How hard is it to set up the following?

https://i.imgur.com/HxyaNbP.png

Im assuming you are looking to connect the wan to the ER605.

FWIW, I can confirm that the ER605 does accept a /31 mask on the WAN interface (as I have an ER605), by which I mean it does not error when you enter it. (I have mine in standalone mode but I assume no different in Omada interface...)

I cannot however test it.

Hope this helps somewhat.

Edited by Henry8 (Fri 02-Jun-23 15:30:57)

Also, if stuff doesn't accept a /31 on the WAN then it doesn't really matter that much, you can bodge it by setting a larger subnet mask and as long as you never need to connect to anything in that subnet other than the gateway there won't be a problem.

As long as the Eero will accept a subnet mask of 255.255.255.254 it should be fine.

You should be provided with details similar to those below, the WAN IP and WAN Default Gateway are the ones required. Unless the Eero supports either multiple WAN addresses or static routes you are unlikely to be able to make use of the additional routed addresses.

WAN Subnet xxx.xxx.xxx.aaa
WAN Subnet Mask /31
WAN IP xxx.xxx.xxx.bbb
WAN Default Gateway xxx.xxx.xxx.aaa

Routed IP's Network Number yyy.yyy.yyy.rrr
Routed IP Mask /30
Routed First Host yyy.yyy.yyy.sss
Routed Second Host yyy.yyy.yyy.ttt
Routed Last Host yyy.yyy.yyy.ttt
Routed Broadcast Address yyy.yyy.yyy.uuu

In reply to a post by tdw42:

As long as the Eero will accept a subnet mask of 255.255.255.254 it should be fine.

You should be provided with details similar to those below, the WAN IP and WAN Default Gateway are the ones required. Unless the Eero supports either multiple WAN addresses or static routes you are unlikely to be able to make use of the additional routed addresses.

WAN Subnet xxx.xxx.xxx.aaa
WAN Subnet Mask /31
WAN IP xxx.xxx.xxx.bbb
WAN Default Gateway xxx.xxx.xxx.aaa

Routed IP's Network Number yyy.yyy.yyy.rrr
Routed IP Mask /30
Routed First Host yyy.yyy.yyy.sss
Routed Second Host yyy.yyy.yyy.ttt
Routed Last Host yyy.yyy.yyy.ttt
Routed Broadcast Address yyy.yyy.yyy.uuu

I'm not using Eero. I'm using TP Link's Omada's equipment. The router in question is ER605.

In reply to a post by Henry8:

Im assuming you are looking to connect the wan to the ER605.

FWIW, I can confirm that the ER605 does accept a /31 mask on the WAN interface (as I have an ER605), by which I mean it does not error when you enter it. (I have mine in standalone mode but I assume no different in Omada interface...)

I cannot however test it.

Hope this helps somewhat.

Do you also have a leased line?

Did they mention any excess construction charges ?

In reply to a post by jpm:

Also, if stuff doesn't accept a /31 on the WAN then it doesn't really matter that much, you can bodge it by setting a larger subnet mask and as long as you never need to connect to anything in that subnet other than the gateway there won't be a problem.

Good point!

In reply to a post by RiDER07:

I just received a final quote for a 1Gbit up and down leased line from TalkTalk Business at £306 (inc. VAT). (wires only) Now my question is, my whole house is networked with Omada's (TP-Link) equipment. The router I will be using is the ER605 (https://www.tp-link.com/uk/business-networking/omada-sdn-router/er605/#specifications) which will receive the internet from the ONT box.

Now during the final process of ordering, they said I need at least a 2Gbit router to be able to do 1Gbit up and down at the same time. Now I know gbit port is full duplex which means it can do 1gbit both ways. But the TalkTalk rep guy said I need a 2Gbit router. Omada doesn't do multi-Gbit router, only 1Gbit.

The ER605 can handle a gigabit internet connection just fine. When your leased line is ordered you need to request a copper CAT5e presentation - by default a gigabit line is presented with an SFP fibre interface and the ER605 can't do that.

The ER605 can't handle much IPSec VPN traffic though so if you use it for a VPN to somewhere it's not going to do it - you could get the ER7206 - can do around 200 meg real world IPSec - or there is another newer model that is even more powerful - you can replace the ER605 with either.

But if you don't use VPN, you'll find the ER605 handles a gigabit connection fine.

In reply to a post by RiDER07:

The sales guys said ONT on the wall. which will have an ethernet out to my own router (ER 605 Omada).

When they say Ethernet they do not mean RJ45.

Openreach leased lines come with an ADVA NTE and not an ONT.
The NTE presentation to your router can be fibre from an SFP port or copper from an RJ45 port. Both are Ethernet.

Your router only supports copper from the RJ45 port.

I would double check with your provider what the presentation is (fibre or copper, not Ethernet).

In reply to a post by RiDER07:

Hi all,

I just received a final quote for a 1Gbit up and down leased line from TalkTalk Business at £306 (inc. VAT). (wires only) Now my question is, my whole house is networked with Omada's (TP-Link) equipment. The router I will be using is the ER605 (https://www.tp-link.com/uk/business-networking/omada-sdn-router/er605/#specifications) which will receive the internet from the ONT box.

That feeds into several WAPs and switches across the house.(all are 1Gbit switches)

Now during the final process of ordering, they said I need at least a 2Gbit router to be able to do 1Gbit up and down at the same time. Now I know gbit port is full duplex which means it can do 1gbit both ways. But the TalkTalk rep guy said I need a 2Gbit router. Omada doesn't do multi-Gbit router, only 1Gbit.

Will the above router works in my scenario? (even if I don't attain full 2Gbit up and down at the same time, at least 1.8Gbit should be fine with me)

Another question is, is that a good deal? Would I be better off getting the provided router from TTB and let them fully manage it?

FYI, I can only get FFTC at the moment at 32 Mbps max (32 download and 8 upload). I'm also using a 5G Sim card in a Huawei CPE Pro 2 Router in the loft with external antennas which can get me 200Mbps down and 20 Mbps up when uncapped. When I reach 600GB traffic, it gets capped to 4G speed which is around 100Mbps down 10 Mbps up. But the 5G/4G connection is very flaky, it drops all the time, it breaks Teams meeting, online gaming, download stuck for few seconds, web pages dont load sometimes. That's why I'm looking into a leased line.

Any advices on this would be greatly appreciated.

Many thanks,

£306 a month for 1Gig down and 1Gig up leased line from TalkTalk Business (that probably excluded VAT) and how long contract? I bet it three years so it will be £306 = plus vat 20% = £367.20 x 36 months = £13,219.20 then after 3 years leased line can't revert to BTw 1000/200 FTTP on the checker.

I wouldn't recommended any leased line!

In reply to a post by RiDER07:

Hi all,

I just received a final quote for a 1Gbit up and down leased line from TalkTalk Business at £306 (inc. VAT). (wires only) Now my question is, my whole house is networked with Omada's (TP-Link) equipment. The router I will be using is the ER605 (https://www.tp-link.com/uk/business-networking/omada-sdn-router/er605/#specifications) which will receive the internet from the ONT box.

That feeds into several WAPs and switches across the house.(all are 1Gbit switches)

Now during the final process of ordering, they said I need at least a 2Gbit router to be able to do 1Gbit up and down at the same time. Now I know gbit port is full duplex which means it can do 1gbit both ways. But the TalkTalk rep guy said I need a 2Gbit router. Omada doesn't do multi-Gbit router, only 1Gbit.

Will the above router works in my scenario? (even if I don't attain full 2Gbit up and down at the same time, at least 1.8Gbit should be fine with me)

Another question is, is that a good deal? Would I be better off getting the provided router from TTB and let them fully manage it?

FYI, I can only get FFTC at the moment at 32 Mbps max (32 download and 8 upload). I'm also using a 5G Sim card in a Huawei CPE Pro 2 Router in the loft with external antennas which can get me 200Mbps down and 20 Mbps up when uncapped. When I reach 600GB traffic, it gets capped to 4G speed which is around 100Mbps down 10 Mbps up. But the 5G/4G connection is very flaky, it drops all the time, it breaks Teams meeting, online gaming, download stuck for few seconds, web pages dont load sometimes. That's why I'm looking into a leased line.

Any advices on this would be greatly appreciated.

Many thanks,

Are you sure your existing kit's firewall is going to be enough?

In reply to a post by RiDER07:

Now during the final process of ordering, they said I need at least a 2Gbit router to be able to do 1Gbit up and down at the same time. Now I know gbit port is full duplex which means it can do 1gbit both ways. But the TalkTalk rep guy said I need a 2Gbit router. Omada doesn't do multi-Gbit router, only 1Gbit.

What the salesguy means is that you need a router which is capable of a *total thoughput* of 2Gbps: 1Gbps from WAN port to LAN port, plus 1Gbps from LAN port to WAN port. The ports themselves only need to be 1Gbps - indeed it would be pointless to have them any faster, as the leased line will be presented to your router on a 1G port.

However, the idea of router "throughput" is pretty meaningless anyway, because it depends on the packet sizes - the router has to do processing on every packet, and that determines how hard it has to work. In the easiest case, if you are routing 2Gbps and the packets are 1500 bytes each, then your router only has to process 167,000 packets per second. But if the packets are 64 bytes each, then your router has to process 3.9 million packets per second.

In reality, you'll have a mixture - large file transfers over TCP will use large packets, VOIP and gaming will use medium-sized packets, DNS queries are usually small.

To solve this problem, many router manufacturers quote throughput figures for an "IMIX" traffic profile - a representative mix of Internet traffic. So if you want to be sure, then check your router manufacturer's spec sheet for the throughput figure for IMIX.

Otherwise, just move on. You are very rarely going to fill your 1G port in both up and down directions simultaneously; and on the rare occasions that you do, it's very likely to be majority large file transfers that are going on, which are the least taxing for your router.

This might be more of an issue if you were serving an office of 500 people on this line, and you want to make sure that the router itself is not the bottleneck.

It's expensive but it's also a totally different product from FTTP. Indeed you are correct, once the contract is up you cannot simply go 1000/110.

I think the OP is probably aware of that though to want a leased line. I've just placed an order for one as I have zero alternative for full fibre but want faster speeds.

Once upon a time people use to come on here bragging about having a leased line (even if it was pure fiction), only the stupid do it these days as a leased line is not a big deal anymore and only the desperate domestic user has to order them when they have no other option. For a domestic situation an Openreach or Altnet full fibre connection is by far the sensible option.

Well hello inspector 😂

In reply to a post by j0hn83:

In reply to a post by RiDER07:

The sales guys said ONT on the wall. which will have an ethernet out to my own router (ER 605 Omada).

When they say Ethernet they do not mean RJ45.

Openreach leased lines come with an ADVA NTE and not an ONT.
The NTE presentation to your router can be fibre from an SFP port or copper from an RJ45 port. Both are Ethernet.

Your router only supports copper from the RJ45 port.

I would double check with your provider what the presentation is (fibre or copper, not Ethernet).

Good point John. As this is a "wires only" presentation the OP will need to confirm with their reseller/TTB that the ADVA presentation will be on the copper RJ45 port on the ADVA rather than the SFP port.

Though this is TTB....so good luck with that OP. 😎

In reply to a post by RiDER07:

I just received a final quote for a 1Gbit up and down leased line from TalkTalk Business at £306 (inc. VAT). (wires only)

Seems pretty cheap, all things considered. 3 year deal with no ECCs to pay?

Make absolutely sure it is fixed price for the term. Some re-sellers are now building in an annual CPI uplift into their LL/EAD agreements and it's no longer fixed price for the term. Read the fine print in the agreement very carefully.

Look like they're giving you the bare bones service with a very limited useable subnet. You should be able to push them for at least a /29 for IPv4 which will give you additional useable public IP addresses. Ditto for IPv6 they should offer you a /48 (or perhaps a /56)

Note also above about the ADVA presentation. If you only have a copper RJ45 interface on your router, you will need them to provision it on the gigabit RJ45 interface on the ADVA. There may also be VLAN setup required on wires only. So get that checked too.

In reply to a post by Pheasant:

Well hello inspector 😂

Afternoon Commissioner 🤣

😅

Aww you guys. Get a room. 😂

🤣🤣

In reply to a post by XGS_Is_On:

Aww you guys. Get a room. 😂

There's room for a third 🤣

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Post deleted by gorebrush

Interesting

In reply to a post by gorebrush:

I guess I am desperate then. 50Mbits VDSL is not cutting it, but I am at least fortunate enough to be able to get an EAD at Openreach cost price. Am not thrilled about it, but then it's an Ethernet extension into the ISP I work for, it's a different tier of product to PON which yes, whilst bloody expensive, will be worth it.

You said this on 5th May 2023

In reply to a post by gorebrush:

My employer recently placed an order for FTTPoD for me through their wholesale agreement. I think I might have broken a few records: -

Final quote came out at over £135,000.

You also said this on 23rd May 2023

In reply to a post by gorebrush:

In the meantime, with no alternative in sight, I took up the Starlink £99 rural offer and I am actually pretty excited about it

and your profiles says 2xVDSL 130/30 ish, so why do you need a leased line if you have ordered both Starlink and FTTPoD?

What ISP do you work for?

They must be flush with cash if they can afford to order you a £135k FTTPoD circuit, an EAD leased line (goodness knows how much the ECCs were on that then!!) and a Starlink connection.

Are you running the NOC from your lounge room?

Blimey!

I read a lot on here from people who say they work from home and need a huge connection (e.g. gigabit) to do their job. I found shortly before I retired that I could do my job from home via a 4Mbps connect, if a company is prepared to spend money on an expensive leased line then why would they not first look at throwing a dedicated device onto their office network that allows the home worker to RDP onto it or better still install Citrix or something similar. I appreciate their is still the issue of voice and video but that doesn't need a huge connection.

Edited by deleted (Sun 04-Jun-23 08:31:14)

Post deleted by gorebrush

Just to clarify, nobody is paying for FTTPoD. It was cancelled. My signature is out of date.

I don't think anyone would actually pay that kind of money to have FTTP?

Edited by gorebrush (Sun 04-Jun-23 10:11:01)

In reply to a post by dect:

home worker to RDP onto it or better still install Citrix

Well, there are things such as this:
https://azure.microsoft.com/en-gb/products/virtual-d...

For companies that run Windows machines via MS tools (Intune/Endpoint Manager) and have Azure skills it is pretty straightforward to set up an AVD environment that is part of the "corporate" network and give people using home computers/tablets a secure remote desktop.

In reply to a post by Pheasant:

In reply to a post by RiDER07:

I just received a final quote for a 1Gbit up and down leased line from TalkTalk Business at £306 (inc. VAT). (wires only)

Ditto for IPv6 they should offer you a /48 (or perhaps a /56)

I don't believe TalkTalk Business support IPv6.

In reply to a post by Pheasant:

Look like they're giving you the bare bones service with a very limited useable subnet. You should be able to push them for at least a /29 for IPv4 which will give you additional useable public IP addresses. Ditto for IPv6 they should offer you a /48 (or perhaps a /56)

Do Talktalk offer *any* IPv6 yet, even to TTB leased line customers?

In reply to a post by candlerb:

In reply to a post by Pheasant:

Look like they're giving you the bare bones service with a very limited useable subnet. You should be able to push them for at least a /29 for IPv4 which will give you additional useable public IP addresses. Ditto for IPv6 they should offer you a /48 (or perhaps a /56)

Do Talktalk offer *any* IPv6 yet, even to TTB leased line customers?

It might be actually coming via Virtual1 (who do offer IPv6) and who TTB bought a while ago.

In reply to a post by Pheasant:

In reply to a post by RiDER07:

I just received a final quote for a 1Gbit up and down leased line from TalkTalk Business at £306 (inc. VAT). (wires only)

Make absolutely sure it is fixed price for the term. Some re-sellers are now building in an annual CPI uplift into their LL/EAD agreements and it's no longer fixed price for the term.

Unfortunately, TalkTalk recently made this change for those on existing fixed price contracts too by saying they were varying their terms and conditions from the beginning of the following month to include a clause that allowed them to increase their pricing by inflation + x% each year.

They did say you could cancel your contract, however, if you didn't you were deemed to be agreeing to pay the additional amount each year.

The trap, of course, was that it isn't possible to get an alternative supplier to get a leased line installed in the timespan allowed, so you got the choice of your business going down the pan or agreeing to pay the increased charges each year until your contract expires.

Edited by jandersonhill (Mon 05-Jun-23 03:28:02)

Sad to say I’m not surprised in the least.

TTB do the same with FTTP services. Had this myself earlier in the year. So I terminated the agreement, which was clearly stated as without penalty. Which was all well and good however as the DD mandate was still in play they took it upon themselves to levy a £300+VAT ‘disconnection’ levy without notice. Took another few weeks but finally got them to refund it full AND ceased that DD mandate. Crooks and charlatans comes to mind.

I have another EAD supplier that is trying their best to engineer a similar price uplift 2 years into a 3 year fixed price agreement, despite having no contractual ability to do so. At the moment they are putting their fingers in the ears metaphorically. We’re still paying the original amount due and disputing everything. It’s going to get ugly soon.

In reply to a post by Pheasant:

I have another EAD supplier that is trying their best to engineer a similar price uplift 2 years into a 3 year fixed price agreement, despite having no contractual ability to do so. At the moment they are putting their fingers in the ears metaphorically. We’re still paying the original amount due and disputing everything. It’s going to get ugly soon.

By some coincidence(?!), this morning after 6 weeks of too and fro, said supplier have backed down, agreed to credit the 'outstanding' amount on the account since the bogus price increase and agreed that the price for this circuit shall remain as it is in the agreement.

They'll all try it on if they can.

Apologies for the somewhat thread diversion, but glad this has been resolved.

In reply to a post by witchunt:

Did they mention any excess construction charges ?

They haven't done the survey yet. You have to order the product first, then they do the survey. And if they survey requires extra payment, I can come out of the contract.

Edited by RiDER07 (Mon 05-Jun-23 14:55:55)

In reply to a post by Whitehall11:

In reply to a post by RiDER07:

Hi all,

I just received a final quote for a 1Gbit up and down leased line from TalkTalk Business at £306 (inc. VAT). (wires only) Now my question is, my whole house is networked with Omada's (TP-Link) equipment. The router I will be using is the ER605 (https://www.tp-link.com/uk/business-networking/omada-sdn-router/er605/#specifications) which will receive the internet from the ONT box.

That feeds into several WAPs and switches across the house.(all are 1Gbit switches)

Now during the final process of ordering, they said I need at least a 2Gbit router to be able to do 1Gbit up and down at the same time. Now I know gbit port is full duplex which means it can do 1gbit both ways. But the TalkTalk rep guy said I need a 2Gbit router. Omada doesn't do multi-Gbit router, only 1Gbit.

Will the above router works in my scenario? (even if I don't attain full 2Gbit up and down at the same time, at least 1.8Gbit should be fine with me)

Another question is, is that a good deal? Would I be better off getting the provided router from TTB and let them fully manage it?

FYI, I can only get FFTC at the moment at 32 Mbps max (32 download and 8 upload). I'm also using a 5G Sim card in a Huawei CPE Pro 2 Router in the loft with external antennas which can get me 200Mbps down and 20 Mbps up when uncapped. When I reach 600GB traffic, it gets capped to 4G speed which is around 100Mbps down 10 Mbps up. But the 5G/4G connection is very flaky, it drops all the time, it breaks Teams meeting, online gaming, download stuck for few seconds, web pages dont load sometimes. That's why I'm looking into a leased line.

Any advices on this would be greatly appreciated.

Many thanks,

Are you sure your existing kit's firewall is going to be enough?
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It's for personal use only. Will I need more than what the ER605 is providing me?

In reply to a post by tdw42:

A couple of points:
TalkTalk Business use a /31 subnet for the WAN connection. Normally the smallest permitted subnet is /30, however RFC 3021 was introduced to eliminate the unnecesary waste of IPv4 addresses on point-to-point links. Not all routers support this.

Leased lines supplied over Openreach circuits use a NTE not an ONT. These are usually rack mounted, but can be attached to a wall, and have fans so consider where it will be sited.

In reply to a post by Pheasant:

OK...so you have a firewall...

They said for one off fee of £100 they will provide me with /29 instead. Is it worth it? Is it needed?

In reply to a post by RiDER07:

They said for one off fee of £100 they will provide me with /29 instead. Is it worth it? Is it needed?

It depends on your needs, e.g. unless you are hosting services which have to use the same TCP/UDP port(s) as each other, or need to make outgoing traffic originate from more than one address. In any case that would likely be a change in the routed subnet, not the WAN connection itself.

You may be able to configure the router to either make the routed subnet available as one of multiple LANs, or apply port forwarding / NAT / DMZ to/from specific public addresses - this is certainly possible on Draytek and Mikrotik devices, but I'm not familiar with the TP-Link business products so they may not have the functionality.

In reply to a post by tdw42:

In reply to a post by RiDER07:

They said for one off fee of £100 they will provide me with /29 instead. Is it worth it? Is it needed?

It depends on your needs, e.g. unless you are hosting services which have to use the same TCP/UDP port(s) as each other, or need to make outgoing traffic originate from more than one address. In any case that would likely be a change in the routed subnet, not the WAN connection itself.

You may be able to configure the router to either make the routed subnet available as one of multiple LANs, or apply port forwarding / NAT / DMZ to/from specific public addresses - this is certainly possible on Draytek and Mikrotik devices, but I'm not familiar with the TP-Link business products so they may not have the functionality.

This will be for personal use only. i.e. WFH, YouTube, Netflix, Smart appliances around the house, torrenting, etc. Will I need more than /31?

Edited by RiDER07 (Mon 05-Jun-23 16:00:38)

Most home users have just a single IP address for those purposes.

Thanks for the update. I should contact them...

FWIW Prior to this, they used the direct debit to charge us almost £3000 over what we owed. It took five months of continual phone calls to get that fixed and the money refunded.

Sorry to hear that. After several dodge experiences like that with TTB, I will cancel the direct debit mandate and ask questions later. Once they’ve got your money it’s game over.

I simply won’t ever do business again with TTB…and these other guys have pretty much burnt all their goodwill capital too. Their loss.