FTTC to FTTP upgrade - internal fitting

I'm hoping I can persuade the OR fitter to reuse the existing hole in the wall to bring the fibre in and remove the existing copper . Obviously there's an OR phone point, what will my options be?

As far as I can see (internet image search) OR would usually drill a new hole for fibre and cover than internally with a disc like cover 2 or 3 cms diameter. Rather than have a new hole drilled the fibre could enter using the copper path. But then it's behind the phone socket. That can be removed but then do OR have a new cover to replace that but with an entry way for the fibre?

I'm making this sound complex... How's it usually done?

The ‘caps’ you describe cover a ‘funnel mouth’ which then has a smaller dimension tube connected, and meets a similar arrangement the other end. The purpose of this tube is to protect, and stop and drooping of the fibre as it comes through the wall voids. Also the cable can be neatly cable tied to ready made anchor points in the funnel affair giving good bend radius management.

I seem to recall that they were often in short supply from the stores.

If the current hole appears straight into the rear of the back box behind the current NTE, I would suggest that the fibre can be brought out through the NTE then up into the ONT.

The OR chap did exactly this with me. Used existing phone line hole, fed fibre cable through it then out of a hole at bottom of master socket to the ONT mounted directly above it. Old master socket left in place but doing nothing more than covering up the hole.

You could buy a brush plate to replace your master socket, but Openreach don't carry these.

In reply to a post by Zarjaz:

I would suggest that the fibre can be brought out through the NTE then up into the ONT.

In reply to a post by dsergeant:

Old master socket left in place but doing nothing more than covering up the hole.

How does the fibre pass through the NTE / Master Socket then? Are they drilling a new hole in the faceplate? In which case, could I supply a blank plate - with or without a hole already drilled? That way I get a neater finish with the redundant NTE / Master Socket removed.

In reply to a post by jpm:

You could buy a brush plate to replace your master socket, but Openreach don't carry these.

Mmmm, hadn't thought of that. Was thinking of a blank plate with a hole drilled for the fibre.

This https://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Products/MKK1090.html would be better, because it directs the optical out parallel to the wall. It's part of the problem I have with the mushrooms, that they needlessly direct the optical away from the wall.

On the whole, I think that the solutions for getting the optical out of the wall are poor. In the end, I went on ebay and got the ONT housing that Openreach use for newbuilds, which is not generally available.

In reply to a post by DFScale:

This https://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Products/MKK1090.html would be better, because it directs the optical out parallel to the wall. It's part of the problem I have with the mushrooms, that they needlessly direct the optical away from the wall.

I'm worried about the bends! If the fibre is coming straight into the back box it's then got to do a tight bend to get out into the room. But I see why this is a smart way of wanting to do it.

In reply to a post by DFScale:

On the whole, I think that the solutions for getting the optical out of the wall are poor. In the end, I went on ebay and got the ONT housing that Openreach use for newbuilds, which is not generally available.

Do you have a link for this? I don't know what I'm looking for here.

Thanks

In reply to a post by Woolwich:

In reply to a post by Zarjaz:

I would suggest that the fibre can be brought out through the NTE then up into the ONT.

In reply to a post by dsergeant:

Old master socket left in place but doing nothing more than covering up the hole.

How does the fibre pass through the NTE / Master Socket then? Are they drilling a new hole in the faceplate? In which case, could I supply a blank plate - with or without a hole already drilled? That way I get a neater finish with the redundant NTE / Master Socket removed.

There's a notch cut out the bottom of my NTE5A. No idea if the newer NTE5C master sockets have the same notch. It's wide enough for the fibre.

I used the same notch to terminate my modem to master socket patch cable direct to the IDC in the master socket back when I had FTTC.

Edit: found an image from 2019 with my FTTC setup. FTTP looks identical but with an ONT where the Zyxel modem was.
https://ibb.co/zR760kr

Edited by j0hn83 (Sun 31-Mar-24 16:06:18)

I used one of these ONT Terminal Boxes to mount on the wall with the ONT inside, it screws onto a standard backbox with mounting posts for the ONT. The fibre comes in through the backbox.
ONT Terminal box