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I'm really not sure how to do this, as in the correct way. I will be paying for someone to do this for me, but I just want to make sure it's done in the right way (so I don't need to have anyone back in doing work at a later date)
https://i.imgur.com/dW31wE9.png
Horrible paint 'skills' aside. Overall layout of house, ont etc.
Bed1, and Bed2 need to have ethernet, Bed3 is fine on wifi. One guy I spoke to suggested running armored cable outside the house up to bed1, but do you run that straight from the ont or?
Another thing I was considering doing was trying to get the ONT moved to bed1? but not sure if ISP/openreach do that kind of thing. Wifi is fine in livingroom.
Basically just need to know the best way to do this so I can pay to have it done right. One of my concerns would be the link being split. (ie bed1 and bed2 sharing same port on the router)
Sorry, I'm rather lost when it comes to networking and would appreciate any help. Right now I have 2 20m cat6 cables running from Livingroom all the way upstairs. I'm sure you can imagine how messy that is. I feel like I'm missing a very obvious solution.
Thanks in advance for any help.
Edited by Xuse (Fri 05-Apr-24 13:39:48)
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having the ONT in bed1 or 2 would be the better solution. I dont see why OR wouldnt put it there. the fibre would be spliced at ground level then run up the wall into either bed 1 or 2. Then its simply a matter of a small hole in the wall between both beds to run a network cable from the router to that room and the romm with the ONT and the router can plug straight in to the router. your OR supplied hub will have four sockets for devices
also having the router in the bedroom means that it is directly above the living room so good coverage
Edited by threelegs (Fri 05-Apr-24 14:21:02)
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OR generally won't install the ONT at height, so you are likely stuck with it in the living room.
You can’t split an ethernet cable and have two connections plugged in the same port. All the cables have to come back to the router or network switch.
Presuming that you can’t drop any cables in the wall cavity, then running the cable(s) outside, either surface mounted or (my preference) in 20mm conduit. You can then either run two cables from the living room to each of the bedrooms, or one cable to the loft, put mini network switch in the loft and drop cables down into the two bedrooms.
There are of course other considerations (router location, additional WiFi points, etc.)., but you should ensure all the cables are terminated to wall sockets, not RJ45 plugs.
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Someones going to be upset when they try to get into Bed1.
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Do not put the ONT in a bedroom, the lights will drive you mad. Stick the ONT behind the TV and then do a couple of external Cat6 runs to the two bedrooms, you've probably got a downpipe you can hide it behind. No need to go with armoured if you aren't burying it. Depending on how your house is built you might be able to go through the wall of bedroom 1 and run cable in the floor to bedroom 2 rather than clipping externally, but it depends how easy it is to get the floor up.
Edited by jpm (Fri 05-Apr-24 17:25:40)
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Do you have any existing kit ?
what i would do is this.
ont to living room, ethernet into router. Buy a single mesh unit and put that in the hall of the first floor with an ethernet back-haul to the router. that go up the side of the house in a conduit into the loft space and then down a side of one of the walls in the hallway and into that mesh unit.
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yep or three cables - one to each room via the loft!
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Don't forget power points. Ideally the ONT should be close enough to a socket not to need an extension lead. Plus, the router needs a second socket.
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Good point, something which alot of poeple forget about
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Why armoured - that really is overkill and a pain to run and connect. External grade - yes but not SWA. And is Cat6 really needed? Cat5e will be sufficient for Gbit.
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Why armoured - that really is overkill and a pain to run and connect. External grade - yes but not SWA. And is Cat6 really needed? Cat5e will be sufficient for Gbit.
That's probably what he meant. He quoted for cat6, and honestly price was pretty nice. I just didn't know enough to go ahead with it at the time, and I wasn't sure how it was being terminated on the other end etc. The person in questions job and main customer base is for TV aerials/satellite.
Thanks for all the replies. It makes sense the ONT can't be installed at height. Also would have made it too easy, I suppose.
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Consider running two cables to each room (i.e. to a dual socket). It'll cost very little more, and you may kick yourself later if you don't. For example, you can later add an extra wireless AP, or a wired printer, or whatever, without needing an extra switch.
Bring the cables back to a central point, preferably a cupboard of some kind to keep it tidy and out of site. Then you can have your ONT, router and/or switch in there.
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Just sticking in my tuppence worth ...
I would also suggest any switch should have PoE capability for the Wifi APs as well.
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Any recommendation for a decent external CAT cable?
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which part of te country are you in?
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Excel brand is good, the problem is that it comes in 305m boxes.
I ran Cat6 to my garage buried in duct and used stuff from Kenable and found it easy to work with and it performs fine, and you can buy it in less than 305m quantities.
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OR generally won't install the ONT at height, so you are likely stuck with it in the living room.
You can’t split an ethernet cable and have two connections plugged in the same port. All the cables have to come back to the router or network switch.
Presuming that you can’t drop any cables in the wall cavity, then running the cable(s) outside, either surface mounted or (my preference) in 20mm conduit. You can then either run two cables from the living room to each of the bedrooms, or one cable to the loft, put mini network switch in the loft and drop cables down into the two bedrooms.
There are of course other considerations (router location, additional WiFi points, etc.)., but you should ensure all the cables are terminated to wall sockets, not RJ45 plugs.
the ONT wont be installed at height as it is in the bedroom. are you confusing the ONT and CSP
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the ONT wont be installed at height as it is in the bedroom
"At height" means "not on the ground floor", i.e. installer would have to go up a ladder to drill the hole for the ONT. Floorplan posted by the OP shows all the bedrooms on the 1st floor.
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As far as I have seen on many posts on this forum the ONT can be installed virtually anywhere in a property, generally on the ground floor where the underground cable entry is which could be in a garage area, but also in first floor bedrooms where the fibre is run outside the house and also sometimes in a loft area, particularly if from an overhead cable feed. So to state that an ONT cannot be installed at height is absolute nonsense.
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As far as I have seen on many posts on this forum the ONT can be installed virtually anywhere in a property, generally on the ground floor where the underground cable entry is which could be in a garage area, but also in first floor bedrooms where the fibre is run outside the house and also sometimes in a loft area, particularly if from an overhead cable feed. So to state that an ONT cannot be installed at height is absolute nonsense.
When CityFibre did my installation I asked them to put the ONT in the loft, next to all my networking gear. This meant drilling at 6 metres AGL. They were perfectly happy with this provided I denied even seeing a ladder if anyone asked. So I went away to prepare more tea and biscuits while they did whatever it was that they did.
Edited by cjn (Sun 07-Apr-24 22:12:06)
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The fibre comes off a pole so you'd hope the guy who shows up has a ladder. I've never heard of any issues getting the ONT installed somewhere other than the ground floor, they just won't put the CSP at height for obvious reasons.
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My CSP is actually in my loft ... less than a metere from the ONT!
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That's not "at height" though in terms of how working at heights is defined. The point is that they won't put the CSP somewhere they'd have to splice while up a ladder.
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My CSP is actually in my loft ... less than a metere from the ONT!
yes but the splicing was done at "ground level" and not on a ladder at height.
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Agreed, but there is no requirement for the CSP to be at ground level.
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Agreed, but there is no requirement for the CSP to be at ground level.
There is for external CSP's.
Your CSP is internal, spliced at floor level.
I think the general point being made is nobody is splicing while up a ladder and nobody is splicing at ground level then carrying the CSP up a ladder and fixing it to the wall at height.
It needs to be accessible and maintainable while 2 feet are on solid ground.
I've seen plenty splices done at ground level then the hardware/enclosure is fixed at height on telegraph poles but that's a whole other thing
Edited by j0hn83 (Mon 08-Apr-24 01:13:44)
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Mine is in here, and I did wonder about it, closed curtains and covered. 
Luckily I got long curtains.
Didnt want to go back to DSL days where was running 2nd LAN cable to living room for modem, and got no power points in hallway.
Edited by Chrysalis (Mon 22-Apr-24 17:36:03)
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