TTB Leased Line Question

Hi Guys

I have a TTB leased line 100/100 going in on a 1gb bearer.

I'll be honest when I say that it's turning out to be a little more complex than I first imagined so hoping you guys can point me in the right direction.

Openreach are in the process of putting the fibre in the kiosk at bottom of my driveway and terminated it into a NTE. From here onwards I need to get my own equipment.

They offered me the following.

Cisco 891F (Cheaper) This is a solid choice for fibre connections, the router is rated up to 300mb speeds.

Cisco ISR4331 (More expensive) This is a future proof router rated to 1gb + speeds.

Do you all have any other suggestions on what equipment I should look to buy ? It is important worth noting that where the NTE comes in, we are then taking the network another 600m to my home via SMF.

Does the NTE only accept one router? Due to the extra distance up to my home I was unsure on best way to do it.

Either use a media converter from the router to the fibre and then back to my house with another media converter or can the NTE accept two fibre outgoing connections.?

Do you know what NTE you are getting?

Based on OpenReach Advar experience; anything less than 1Gb (customer access speed) will be enabled on the RJ45 copper port anything 1Gb or more will be via the SFP

The NTE will only accept 1 customer side connection.

You may be able to request via your account manager as part of the order that you need the customer side SFP interface enabled and not the RJ45 as its a remote deployment.

If they won't/cant/don't offer that option. Then media converter would be the easy way to go. You don't need single mode for 600mtr (And the interfaces will cost more anyway) you could do it with OM4 and still almost be good for 10Gb if you ever needed it. then just get a suitable SFP for the router at the house end of the link. (Unless you can't in which case another media converter then into the router.

There is a slim chance you can ask them to provide the NTE at the house end and simply patch via your private SMF (if its already installed) but in reality it will just muddy the support waters if ever there was an issue)

As for the router we use a lot of the ISR range and there very nice, but check your license options and interface options first (I always hear people internally moaning about licenses on the 82/8300 series but don't get involved in that side of things)

Edited by IamQ (Sat 27-Apr-24 15:34:09)

Just quick note to say if you go *above* 1Gbps you will probably need quite a bit of work (it's not just "let's send you new kit and it's easy install") so don't assume that upgrade is easy..

Why not have the LL presented to the main building up the drive? having the NTE 600m away from the router will end up causing you extra sleepless nights.

Edited by PCJM40 (Sat 27-Apr-24 17:12:22)

I would consider single mode fibre for this distance. At 1G the optics are a few pounds more per end, at 10G perhaps a tenner and at 25G perhaps £20/end more expensive. Peanuts in the context of a leased line.

For me the only application for multimode is short links at 100G and up where the money saved on the optic outweighs the cost/hassle of multimode MTP.

Does anyone else spec multimode any more?

Thanks for this. I really am not sure but I will check when I get home.

Moving the NTE is an option for me, it's just I planned to build two new properties on my estate and was going to tap them into the same network for wifi.

Only issue with moving NTE to my house is that I would then need to feed the network back down the driveway to feed equipment such as CCTV and the new properties.

By terminating the NTE at the bottom of my drive, anything there after would be plain sailing.

If you’re a builder then speak to the Openreach new sites team, bury the ducting and build the chambers that they provide you from the stores, and provision FTTP for the homes put on the site. You can probably dig the trench in a couple of days with the right machine. Getting a leased line installed to an out building to avoid ECCs and then thinking you might share this out in future to multiple houses sounds like a janky approach that will have far higher ongoing costs than doing this the proper way.

In reply to a post by jurassic86:

Thanks for this. I really am not sure but I will check when I get home.

Moving the NTE is an option for me, it's just I planned to build two new properties on my estate and was going to tap them into the same network for wifi.

Only issue with moving NTE to my house is that I would then need to feed the network back down the driveway to feed equipment such as CCTV and the new properties.

By terminating the NTE at the bottom of my drive, anything there after would be plain sailing.

You said in your first post you was going to put the NTE at the gate and the router up at the house so you was always going to need to feed the CCTV and wifi connections from the house as thats where the router is.

A leased line used to aggregate service for other dwellings ( this is something that some New build estates do , leased line into a cabinet , many dwellings connected to that leased line ) have different T&C’s applied , compared to a ‘regular’ leased line

OR don’t agree to a leased line used in this way on standard terms , where ( for example) OR charge £400 a month for a leased line , the client then connects 50 customers paying them £30 a month for connection to that leased line ,

In reply to a post by jurassic86:

I planned to build two new properties on my estate and was going to tap them into the same network for wifi ... By terminating the NTE at the bottom of my drive, anything there after would be plain sailing.

I concur with jpm. Plus you don't supply new houses with wifi, really you don't. You make sure an ONT is provided and let the customer make their own arrangements for contracting with an ISP and for provision of wifi kit. Moreover, if your development has any class, you would put in some cat 6 network points.

The very fact you write about providing wifi would be a distinct negative for many buyers. I would never want to share wifi with a neighbour. I run my system with Network servers [not accessible outside my network] and I would not want them accessible to neighbours. If your buyers are discerning, they will not want internet with CGNAT, they might want a Public IPv4 address, they might want IPv6.

This will be far from plain sailing. You really don't know what your buyers' needs are. Plus I would not want to be knocking on your door to have the router reset [what happens if you are on holiday?], I would want to have control of my own IP addressing and I would want to change the router if I didn't like yours.

As for the CCTV, etc, the hard part about this is digging the trench. Once you have dug the trench another duct besides the OR duct and cables for your CCTV should not be too difficult.

TBH , we don’t know what the 2 new buildings on the OP ‘estate’ are to be used for , perhaps it’s accommodation for the butler and housekeepers families, this is exactly the situation for a ( relatively close by ) multi millionaire, the estate they built has buildings for the staff and a leased line distributes services to each building on the estate

Edited by Iniltous (Thu 02-May-24 08:53:01)

Or perhaps they will be rented on AirBNB in which case providing wifi would be pretty normal.

In reply to a post by jurassic86:

It is important worth noting that where the NTE comes in, we are then taking the network another 600m to my home via SMF.

To be clear, is that 600m of fibre that you're installing yourself, completely independently of Openreach?

(In theory you could lease a separate circuit from OR between the two points, but it would be horrendously expensive and completely pointless; or you could have OR deliver the circuit directly to the final location, in which case they'd put the NTE there)

In reply to a post by jurassic86:

Does the NTE only accept one router? Due to the extra distance up to my home I was unsure on best way to do it.

Either use a media converter from the router to the fibre and then back to my house with another media converter or can the NTE accept two fibre outgoing connections.?

The NTE terminates the leased line only, and assuming the 600m point-to-point fibre link is your own cable, then has nothing to do with that. If you ordered the 600m fibre as a separate managed circuit from OR then it would have its own NTE at each end.

The simplest setup is to connect NTE to router, and then a LAN port on the router would connect to the 600m fibre, and then at the other end of that you put a switch with a fibre uplink. (Don't use media converters; they're unreliable. Use a router and switch that have SFP or SFP+ ports)

The next question is: is the router being provided by TTB as part of a managed service? In that case, you can only take what they are offering, and there's no point us giving you other options. The handover is the LAN port(s) on the router, and you cannot touch the router itself.

But if this is a "wires only" service (meaning the service they deliver ends at the NTE), and they're only offering to sell you a router as a courtesy, which they're not configuring or managing for you, then there are certainly better and more cost effective options we can explore.

To be honest though, you might be better off getting a network engineer to design this for you, rather than relying on the opinion of random people on the Internet Things like building internal wiring and wifi access points will no doubt need to be considered too.

I am very sorry I should have been a little more specific.

The TTB service ends at the NTE. They have offered to sell / rent me the following equipment:

Cisco ISR4331 Router
Cisco 891F Router

Obviously they are hugely expensive so first question for members is - can anyone suggest something else, or would you stick with one of the above?

Regarding the NTE and location - we opted to get the NTE to our "Gate House" as if we wanted it to our main house, the installation cost was an additional £40k. We therefore decided we could put the infrastructure in (OS2) from the "Gate House" to the "Manor House" plant room, which is 600M away. The "Manor House" plant room is then linked to the "Manor House" via MMF as the distances are only a 100/150.

In the "Manor House" the current connectivity is via a Huawei 4G Route in the loft. Its surprisingly reliable and offers a good 40/50mb download but the need for a dedicated IP for our security monitoring company renders the mobile solution no good.

So now we have the NTE installed in the Gatehouse, which ironically we have demolished and replaced with two more. We do not intend on selling these, and instead will have these as staff accommodation, so will simply feed the network into the properties and install a Unifi Mesh System.

What I wondered was - do we have the service into the "Gatehouse" and then extend the LAN into the manor via the new fibre we connected, or would it be more beneficial to "patch" the NTE fibre into "Manor House" plant room where we would have the TTB Router (or another type) then "backfeed" the connection down two of the other cores back to the "Gatehouse" where less of a demand and service requirement is needed?

if the speeds are likely to be the same, then obviously it makes more sense to terminate at bottom of my driveway and then feed the network up to the house.

Any advise would be welcome.

In reply to a post by jurassic86:

The TTB service ends at the NTE. They have offered to sell / rent me the following equipment:

Cisco ISR4331 Router
Cisco 891F Router

Obviously they are hugely expensive so first question for members is - can anyone suggest something else, or would you stick with one of the above?

Ultimately, it depends on who is going to be building and supporting your network.

For a fraction of the cost of the above items, a Mikrotik RB4011 or RB5009 will wipe the floor with them performance wise (and you can buy a second as a spare). However, are you able to configure one? TTB won't do this for you, but they might supply the Cisco routers pre-configured.

Those models only have one SFP(+) port, meaning one fibre connection. Have you yet found out whether the connection that you make into the NTE will be presented as copper or fibre?

If you need multiple fibre connections to multiple buildings, something like the CCR2004-1G-12S+2XS has a ton of fibre ports. Since it's a router, you can give different subnets to each building (a good way to scale your network), apply ACLs between the subnets, etc.

In reply to a post by jurassic86:

What I wondered was - do we have the service into the "Gatehouse" and then extend the LAN into the manor via the new fibre we connected, or would it be more beneficial to "patch" the NTE fibre into "Manor House" plant room where we would have the TTB Router (or another type) then "backfeed" the connection down two of the other cores back to the "Gatehouse" where less of a demand and service requirement is needed?

It's a shame that you don't have SMF between the manor house and manor house plant room, because then you could simply patch the fibres together passively.

As an overarching principle: you want to bring all the fibres from the different buildings into one location(*) and fan out from there. Are other buildings likely to be fibred up to the manor house plant room, or to the gatehouse?

Putting the router next to the NTE would be simplest - both on a UPS of course. You could then fan out all the connections from there.

However, to serve the manor house you'd need to install a switch in the plant room to connect the SMF to the MMF. (Or if it's ducted, you pull another SMF cable).

Putting the router the Manor house plant room makes no difference from a performance point of view. But it would allow you to use the MMF to the manor house and SMF to the gatehouse (in different router ports). If there are other buildings that have fibre connections back to the manor house plant room, that would also be a logical location.

As you say, to provide Internet access to the gatehouse itself will involve using another pair back to the gatehouse, but that's no big deal. The gatehouse will need a switch with one fibre port. Even the tiny Mikrotik hEX PoE will do the job (it's a router but can be configured as a switch, and has 4 PoE ports for connecting access points). For more ports there are the CRS switches, or things like Netgear GS110TP.

For reference: at home I use the RB4011, hEX PoE and GS110TP. I've not used the CRS switches. The RB5009 is newer than the RB4011, but the RB5009 can *only* run RouterOS v7 (the RB4011 can run v6 or v7). v7 has had a chequered history, but should be stable enough now.

(*) However it's fine to patch fibres together: with no active equipment in the path, that counts as a direct connection.

An RB5009 connected to a CRS305 might be a plan at the edge of the site. At the other end of the fibre a CRS309 leaves 7 SFP ports to serve the buildings with up to 10 Gb and if more switch ports or PoE are needed it can branch out from there with switches closer to where the ports need to be. Spine and leaf network rather than the star you mentioned

Thanks for this, can I assume that these are simply a bigger version of a media converter? So I could terminate the fibre into these and then patch it into my network switch?

CRS305 and CRS309 are both switches. https://mikrotik.com/products/group/switches

It's better if you have a switch with an SFP port, than to use a media converter. Media converters do work but tend to be unreliable. They're also dumb (unmanaged) so you can't monitor them.

A managed switch with an SFP port and a decent DOM-enabled SFP will be able to report things like the transmit/receive light levels, voltages, temperature etc.

Thanks for the reply,

Would it be possible to connect both MMF and SMF into the switch? If so that would solve a lot of my problems.

Yes. Each SFP port is independent, and you plug whatever type of SFP module you require for that particular link, which can be 1G or 10G, multi-mode or single-mode, etc. (SFP = 1G, SFP+ = 10G; most SFP+ ports can also take SFP modules)

There is actually one special case which is 1000baseLX: this standard works on both SMF and MMF. However the device at the other end also has to be 1000baseLX. If you want it to talk to a media converter which is 1000baseSX then you'd need a 1000baseSX module.

It's easy to remember: L = long haul = single mode, S = short haul = multi mode. You can tell the difference by looking at the wavelength on the module. If it's 1G and it says 850nm, it's SX. If it's 1310nm, it's LX.

Very good (i.e. carrier grade) modules are available from Flexoptics and Approved Optics, at about 1/10th of the price of those from Cisco/Juniper etc. The Chinese ones from fs.com aren't bad and are even cheaper, so you can keep some spares in stock. Avoid vendors on Amazon: you have no idea what you're getting.

In reply to a post by candlerb:

Yes. Each SFP port is independent, and you plug whatever type of SFP module you require for that particular link, which can be 1G or 10G, multi-mode or single-mode, etc. (SFP = 1G, SFP+ = 10G; most SFP+ ports can also take SFP modules)

There is actually one special case which is 1000baseLX: this standard works on both SMF and MMF. However the device at the other end also has to be 1000baseLX. If you want it to talk to a media converter which is 1000baseSX then you'd need a 1000baseSX module.

It's easy to remember: L = long haul = single mode, S = short haul = multi mode. You can tell the difference by looking at the wavelength on the module. If it's 1G and it says 850nm, it's SX. If it's 1310nm, it's LX.

Very good (i.e. carrier grade) modules are available from Flexoptics and Approved Optics, at about 1/10th of the price of those from Cisco/Juniper etc. The Chinese ones from fs.com aren't bad and are even cheaper, so you can keep some spares in stock. Avoid vendors on Amazon: you have no idea what you're getting.

Perfect. So I have spoken to a company who resell the Mikrotec equipment and advised me the CRS112 is a compact router which has 4 fibre ports. which can replace all my Media Converters whicih link fibre to the Switches.

Are these also capable of talking to TTB via the NTE?

In reply to a post by jurassic86:

Perfect. So I have spoken to a company who resell the Mikrotec equipment and advised me the CRS112 is a compact router which has 4 fibre ports. which can replace all my Media Converters whicih link fibre to the Switches.

Be a bit careful: the CRS112 is primarily a switch. The switching is done in hardware so it's full speed, and it *does* have the software to do routing, but all the routing has to be done via a very underpowered CPU - a single core, 400MHz MIPS. Go to Support & Downloads and click "Block diagram" to see.

I have the hEX PoE router which has a 1-core 800MHz CPU, and it can route at about 300Mbps. Therefore, your CRS might *just about* handle your 100M leased line, but it would be working flat-out and would certainly need to be swapped if you upgrade your LL to 1G in the future.

It also has only 16MB flash and 128MB RAM, same as the hEX PoE. It's sufficient for RouterOS today, but modern devices will have much more.

Having said that it *is* cheap, so if it turns out to need swapping you've not lost much. I keep my hEX PoE as a PoE switch for driving wireless access points.

Also, you can use a router and a switch back-to-back. So if you start with the CRS112 for combined switch+router, you could add a separate router later and relegate the CRS to just switching, effectively a port expander for your router.

The first Mikrotik "router" with more than 2 SFP ports is the CCR2004-1G-12S+2XS, which is rather overkill for your needs: it has twelve SFP+ 10G ports and two 25G ports. But it's a very nice device... there's a quad-core 1.7GHz CPU, and 4GB of RAM, and it'll still be cheaper than the Cisco.

In reply to a post by jurassic86:

Are these also capable of talking to TTB via the NTE?

The NTE will provide some sort of ethernet connection. Depending on the configuration they supply it in, it could be either regular copper ethernet or they could be presenting you with single-mode fibre (1000baseLX)

Given that TTB quoted you the Cisco 891F, which has an SFP (fibre) port, it's possible the NTE will present fibre, but I have also heard suggestions that Openreach are enabling the copper port on the NTE for lines less than 1G.

Don't know if this helps or not, but here is my setup.

RackSetup

I have two leased lines on 10G bearers (Currently set at 2Gb bandwidth each)

One is Virgin, one is from BT.

Virgin NTE is Rack Slot 1 - OS6450-U24SXM
BT NTE is Rack Slot 2 - ADVA XG120Pro
Watchguard Firewall is Rack Slot 3, which is my main firewall for work. (Downstream of the Rack Slot 5 device)
In Rack Slot 4, this is where I use the R86S, which is my router of choice running OPNSense.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Routing-Multi-net-Intel-N51...
These are perfectly capable little units to deal with up to 10G.
Rack Slot 5 is a Netgear M4300-8X8F (XSM4316S), which is where both the NTE's plug into, and segregated using port based VLAN.
This allows me to pull off various downstream routers from the NTE's.
Rack Slot 6 is a UDM Pro for a "non work network", e.g. to give staff free wifi. (Connected to BT only)
Rack Slot 7 is another R86S running OPNSense that I use to provide IPv6 (Using NPT) on my LAN from the BT side (As Virgin dont offer IPv6)

I spent quite a long time like you looking for an appropriate router for wires only leased line installs, and I can tell you the R86S has been working perfectly for years.

As others have mentioned, certainly for OpenReach, if you are less than 1G, the copper port is generally active, less so at 1G.
I wanted to make sure right from the start everything was capable of up to 10G, which meant SFP+, and that's where the R86S stepped in.

Hope that helps you.

Great advice on the router side of things.

I know you say the CCR2004-1G-12S+2XS is overkill, but one of my rooms will need 4:fibre ports, so we could use this as our router for TTB and then patch it into a switch for the extra POE ports?

Id sooner go overkill and not have to worry about the equipment running at full speed.

Will this router be ok talking to TTB?

Yes, you can connect it to a separate PoE switch.

If the PoE switch has an SFP port then you can do fibre between them. If it doesn't, then you can get a Copper SFP (which plugs into your SFP switch, and gives you an RJ45 port there).

Will this router be ok talking to TTB?

Yes - but you shouldn't rely on the advice of complete strangers on the Internet

I think TTB use PPPoE and will give you the username/password and your IP address allocation to configure.

I take onboard your point but you all seem to know what you're on about.

Having now read all the forums and information on it, I have learned a lot in the process so its been a worth while exercise.

In reply to a post by candlerb:

I think TTB use PPPoE and will give you the username/password and your IP address allocation to configure.

Only on broadband connections. Leased lines are static IP.

In reply to a post by tdw42:

In reply to a post by candlerb:

I think TTB use PPPoE and will give you the username/password and your IP address allocation to configure.

Only on broadband connections. Leased lines are static IP.

By which you mean, native ethernet encapsulation of IP frames? In that case, even easier.

Yes, regular IPoE. For wires only they typically provide a /31 for the WAN link, plus a routed /30 subnet to be used as you wish on the LAN side (NAT, DMZ, public server, etc.) unless you ask for more.

In reply to a post by tdw42:

Yes, regular IPoE. For wires only they typically provide a /31 for the WAN link, plus a routed /30 subnet to be used as you wish on the LAN side (NAT, DMZ, public server, etc.) unless you ask for more.

Sure on the LAN? For those who don't know a /30 would give 1 usable address, the others of the 4 being consumed by network, broadcast and gateway.

"LAN" in this context means the customer facing side of the managed router. If you're providing your own router then you configure a /31 to talk to the ISP and then you have your routed subnet to do what you want with.

Some ISPs configure the WAN side of the managed router with private IP space to conserve their allocation.

Yes. That is certainly the case if you pass on the addresses with a conventional IPoE setup - if you use /32 point-to-point addressing, assuming your devices support it (e.g. Mikrotik), or PPPoE to onward clients you can actually use all four addresses

Sounds right to me.

When I had a /30 from Cerberus I used private addressing on the inside, giving the three additional public addresses to three servers as loopback addresses, with static routes to those servers. That avoided burning the "network" and "broadcast" addresses.

Hi Guys,

I have now been given my TTB WAN/LAN address and it would appear it is a /30 subnet?

Does it make much difference?

They've just given you the one /30 subnet? That's a block of 4 addresses.

For example, let's say it's 192.0.2.64/30, which is the 4 IPs 192.0.2.64, 65, 66, 67. (The lowest one will always be a multiple of 4)

Have they also given a WAN IP address, which is one of the middle two of those, for example 192.0.2.65? And a separate default gateway IP?

Then the "traditional" way to do this is as follows. On the router:

- configure the WAN as a point-to-point with IP 192.0.2.65/32 (netmask 255.255.255.255) and the default gateway as whatever they told you

Then EITHER:
- configure the LAN as 192.0.2.65/30 (netmask 255.255.255.252)
- Connect *one* device downstream of the LAN port on IP address 192.0.2.66/30 with default gateway 192.0.2.65
- That would traditionally be some separate firewall that you plug in and performs its own NAT

OR:
- configure the router LAN with private IPs
- enable NAT on the router itself
- this leaves you with 3 spare IPs for future use (can be used for port forwarding, or statically routed to a server which has it configured as a loopback address)

In reply to a post by jurassic86:

Hi Guys,

I have now been given my TTB WAN/LAN address and it would appear it is a /30 subnet?

Does it make much difference?

With all these types of questions the relevant information is "what did the order say you were getting"

In reply to a post by jpm:

In reply to a post by jurassic86:

Hi Guys,

I have now been given my TTB WAN/LAN address and it would appear it is a /30 subnet?

Does it make much difference?

With all these types of questions the relevant information is "what did the order say you were getting"

I suspect there is no order.

In reply to a post by Whitehall11:

I suspect there is no order.

Finally someone is prepared to say it.

In reply to a post by PCJM40:

In reply to a post by Whitehall11:

I suspect there is no order.

Finally someone is prepared to say it.

These Walter Mitty types come along every so often - with the 'Oh help me, i don't know how my complex leased line order, that costs £300+ a month to run works'.

If they had come to the forum with advice on how best to setup a network to solve a problem, i'd find it more believable or even a genuine technical question. If you're buying a leased line product and don't have much technical knowledge, most suppliers will offer you all the kit and support you need for and not point you down the wires only approach which these questions usually are pointed at.

Edited by Whitehall11 (Wed 22-May-24 22:12:11)

In reply to a post by Whitehall11:

These Walter Mitty types come along every so often - with the 'Oh help me, i don't know how my complex leased line order, that costs £300+ a month to run works'.

Yes, reading through all the OP comments it does sound like a massive jackanory, first a kiosk at the gate for the NTE and now its become two houses for servants, OP is going from a 4G router in loft to becoming a datacentre and then complaining about the huge cost of a router for a £300 a month leased line.

Well I did exactly that and read the forums, where it said TTB would give a 31 subnet - so when I got the 30 subnet I was a little confused to say the least.

https://forums.thinkbroadband.com/fibre/4736968-gett...

With regards to router setting up, etc... is that not the idea of these forums? I asked the questions and got the informative responses whereby I have purchased the MikroTik CCR2004-1G-12S+2XS to handle the fibre connections for me based on the advise given.

I live in a rural area where getting the technical knowledge locally is very difficult.

Finally regarding the "huge cost of a router for a £300 a month leased line" - Well yes - given the other members have pointed me to the above router for £500 as apposed to the Cisco one TTB were offering - saving at least £1,500.00.

Thank you, this is very helpful. They have indeed given me the WAN and LAN - which corresponds with your message below.

Fingers crossed we should be online next Tuesday.

What we have done is:

- Taken the OR Fibre and patched it through to the Stables (Up the drive) with an LC to SC adaptor
- Linked the NTE with our MikroTik CCR2004-1G-12S+2XS via CAT6 (Waiting for OR to enable the SFP port so we can link it through with Fibre).
- Fanned out to all buildings and bits from our above CCR2004 to the main house, stables, outbuildings, etc (All in Fibre - some in MMF).
- Used one pair of the SMF coming into the NTE to then feed back to the gatehouse where we have the MikroTik CRS112 which takes the fibre into CAT6 which goes into the staff accomodation.

So many inconsistences in your posts in this thread, if it was a boat you would have sunk by now.

Lots of people here are full of knowledge and if they are that desperate to depart that knowledge to someone who is clearly making up a story then I am not sure who the fool is.

Sorry but what part of this "story" have I made up?

In reply to a post by jurassic86:

Sorry but what part of this "story" have I made up?

Probably 99% of it, facts are not even consistent throughout your "story". As I said, I am not sure who the fools are, you or the people wasting their time feeding your "story".

I am a little confused as to what your replies have to do with my query?

If you have nothing constructive to add to this topic then maybe you could refrain from posting slanderous comments towards me and the others (basically calling them fools for giving me help).

Facts are very simple. I have a new TTB leased lind, feeding my large estate and home.

The rest of my "story" is ever changing as I near completion having taken the advice from other forum members and purchased the relevant equipment.

The fundamental problem was trying to understand how best to serve my house and ancillary accomodation.

Until I joined this forum I was unaware such equipment existed whereby I can mix MMF and SMF connections into one switch.

If it wasn't for the fact I need a static IP address I would have been fairly happy with my current setup using a 4G router. It's just because the CCTV monitoring company needs a static IP address to be able to provide me with a monitoring service that I have had to go down the TTB leased line option.

On a positive note the company who supplied me with some of the Mikrotik equipment are going to also help me config the router and we all going well should be live before the middle of next week.

I can add something constructive to this thread....

In reply to a post by jurassic86:

What we have done is:

- Taken the OR Fibre and patched it through to the Stables (Up the drive) with an LC to SC adaptor

When you come up with this "story" 15 months ago on another forum you was given strong advice and many good reasons why you should NOT move the Openreach NTE but it seems you are claiming you have moved it anyway to another building which you claim could be 100's of metres from where Openreach installed it.

I guess this is why you didn't go back to that forum.

Edited by PCJM40 (Fri 24-May-24 22:41:41)

Sorry but which forum? I only register here a few months ago?

Your still yet to provide any factual or constructive advice on your posts.

Maybe you should ask your carer to ensure your only allowed to read posts and not reply lol.

I've moved the NTE to ensure all switches and routers are on a UPS which ensures no loss of connectivity when we have downtime. It's also nearer to my home and easier to reboot in event of it crashing.

In reply to a post by jurassic86:

Maybe you should ask your carer to ensure your only allowed to read posts and not reply lol.

Your "story" is unravelling so I would expect you to start saying things like this as a distraction, so I won't take it personally

In reply to a post by jurassic86:

Sorry but which forum? I only register here a few months ago?

I'm not going to provide you with a link but anyone who has already contributed in this thread can directly message me and I will provide a link to the thread in the other forum as proof.

In reply to a post by jurassic86:

I've moved the NTE to ensure all switches and routers are on a UPS which ensures no loss of connectivity when we have downtime.

Surely you know even in your "story" that can't be the truth right??? you claim to have installed the MikroTik CRS112 where the NTE once lived so how can that have UPS but the NTE had to be moved because of no UPS.

The problem with being a billy is keeping the story believable and factually correct.

Edited by PCJM40 (Sat 25-May-24 09:22:58)

The problem is the house is in the middle of some woods where trees falling in the winter are a common occurrence. We recently put all our overhead electric cables underground but through the neighbouring fields they still remain overhead.

Due to the above, when the power does go down our village is given a much lower priority because of the few number of dwelling houses so power outages can last 1 or 2 days. They do sometimes put a Genny on in the village but weirdly it doesn't power our house as it's on a different line.

To overcome this we have installed a generator at the house which works really well, but the UPS would only cover the networking equipment for a few hours not days. The generator only powers house and stables and not kiosk or lodge houses, so NTE in there with UPS power will not last long. I know you can get bigger and more expensive ones but space is a premium in the kiosk and in hindsight I regret not getting the next size up.

I could install a cheaper UPS at the bottom but for me it's just more convenient having all the main equipment within reach of the house. On a cold wet winters day I don't fancy walking half a kilometer and going into a kiosk to reboot a router or check NTE.

In reply to a post by PCJM40:

In reply to a post by Whitehall11:

I suspect there is no order.

Finally someone is prepared to say it.

I was being nice as I owe the guy a favour: helped convince me that joining in on the ISPR comments section is a fool's errand and I'm better off not bothering.

It was obvious, as always, and even more so than usual.Someone here shook his cage after he posted about having Virgin Media Business https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2024/04/virgin... and a week later this thread appeared. Recycling an old OCUK thread right down to the name was a bit lazy, mind.

It's obvious to me you've got me confused with someone else.

Screenshot of my TTB order

Screenshot of confirmation connection

Location

I've blurred out personal bits as you can understand.

Edited by jurassic86 (Sat 25-May-24 22:37:45)

Happy to stand corrected if wrong.

Just FYI there's more than enough information here to 'dox' you: please consider removing it at your earliest convenience.

I don't feel this is the guy from ISPR but agree there are certainly to many parallels with the old OCUK thread including the username for it not to be him. There is so much unnecessary hamming up in this thread that it makes it feel strongly made up. For example, two new properties built at the gates when initially referring to it as a kiosk, two more properties planned, servants, fibre run 100's of metres all over the place. If it were to be true then he really needs to eat the ham.

No there was always a gatehouse which we demolished and replaced with two more of a higher standard.

Photo of kiosk

Above photo is me stood on roof of plot 2. Kiosk is in the rear of shot.

Image from me CCTV showing the plots

The accomodation won't be for servants, it's for my staff.

Username I've been using for years

Above is a screenshot from me mail account showing the username I use on most forums. I do know someone else uses the same name as in some instances I have to use 1986, not 86.

Finally my order confirmation from cable monkey for my fibre to go up drive. Here

Are we in agreement that anyone with a large estate, lots of fibre and properties must be an imposter? 😂

Edited by jurassic86 (Sun 26-May-24 17:51:08)

In reply to a post by jurassic86:

Are we in agreement that anyone with a large estate, lots of fibre and properties must be an imposter? 😂

Only when they ham it up fella.

Well "ham it up" is new one on me, I've just had to Google it lol.

Nothing I've said has been exaggerated or made up, but still no apology? When I grew up, I was taught a basic principle in life which was to admit when I was wrong and apologise to those who I offended.

No worries fella, you hamming it up caused the mistrust but with the extra info you have kindly supplied I am now able to raise an internal breach regarding the moving of the Openreach NTE.

Ah I see. Got nothing better to do? If by providing accurate details of my installation constitutes "hamming it up" then I'm guilty as charged but I feel maybe your just a tad jealous?

Fyi Openreach are fully aware of it being moved, the engineers have even provided me with the ducting to lay the cable (even though we used armoured). The only pitfall they advised of is in the event of any issues with the connection, the NTE would need to be moved back to the kiosk which isn't an issue as we simply patched it with a connector.

But... You must feel really really silly now eh? Making lots of assumptions without any facts to backup your claim.

Spend less time on forums being a keyboard warrior and one day you too may have a driveway as long as mine hehe.

You have nothing for me to be jealous of fella and you're clearly making your own assumptions as you know nothing about me or anyone else on here. I am not the one asking for help on an open forum rather than getting professional help and I like many others already have a faster network than you but we are not here showing off about it.

If you honestly believe you have official approval from Openreach to move the NTE 100's of metres then I hope you have got that in writing as you're likely to come unstuck. The NTE is there for a reason and if you then moving it and insert your own cabling on the exchange side you're makes a mockery of a demarcation point. The reason Openreach would have giving someone ducting (and other components if its over a few hundred metres) is so Openreach can then use it for their own cabling to the NTE.

In reply to a post by jurassic86:

So now we have the NTE installed in the Gatehouse, which ironically we have demolished and replaced with two more. We do not intend on selling these, and instead will have these as staff accommodation

As I will keep saying, people from all walks of life come here for help and always get it but there are those who come here to brag while doing it and you fall into that category. I wasn't the only one to think it. People only have to read through your posts to see that.

The reason for the NTE being moved is TTB was supposed to have ordered the NTE with SMF output, and instead only ordered it with RJ45, so it was agreed between TTB and OR that the NTE could be moved to allow them time to raise a new order to enable SMF on NTE.

As for the assumptions, it was you who made them about me? If you felt I was exaggerating my story then you had the option of moving on and ignoring the post.

"I like many others already have a faster network than you but we are not here showing off about it."... Is this you "hamming it up?" Lol

In reply to a post by jurassic86:

The reason for the NTE being moved is TTB was supposed to have ordered the NTE with SMF output, and instead only ordered it with RJ45, so it was agreed between TTB and OR that the NTE could be moved to allow them time to raise a new order to enable SMF on NTE.

For god sake dude you can't even keep your "story" straight, a few days ago you claimed you moved the NTE so all switches and routers were on UPS which I quickly proved couldn't be the case and now you're claiming a different reason. You can't keep making up reasons until one sticks.

In reply to a post by jurassic86:

I've moved the NTE to ensure all switches and routers are on a UPS which ensures no loss of connectivity when we have downtime.

Can't you see that everyone here can see you're a billy, the more you type the more lies you come out with. For the record I have not lied once but I have proven multiple times that you have. Try thinking about it for a second, may be you lie all the time and don't know you're doing it.

Just to add some advice, using a DIG fibre cable with protective steel wires running along its length is not great, especially in a rural location. There is the possibility that it will conduct during a lighting strike and cause serious damage. People are much better off with ducting and a metal free fibre cable. Hopefully for you, your family and your servants you have done everything in your power to minimise the chances of it conducting as it can be deadly.

Edited by PCJM40 (Mon 27-May-24 22:36:51)

The appropriate people have been advised now so I won't be saying anything further on this matter.

"half a kilometer "

What's a kilometer?