F & W network diagram?

Hey all

Is there a diagram of some sort (high level) that shows where the fibre wire goes from your home to how it ends up at the ISP? I know BT's one is well established but I can't find anything with these altnet providers, esp F & W.

I just want to know on a high level if there's an equivalent of a green cab if not where the fibre connects to and how it get's to an exchange (if there is even an exchange involved).

TIA!

There's some limited info here: https://fwnetworks.co.uk/partner-with-us/wholesale-i...

In reply to a post by AndyPandy:

There's some limited info here: https://fwnetworks.co.uk/partner-with-us/wholesale-i...

Thanks for that!

Few questions open to the forum on the back of that ...

In the case of them using Openreach's exchange, does that mean they're using BT's fibre aggregation point that goes back to the exchange from near the customers premises?

Looks like you've misunderstood the page.

It's nothing to do with their fibre network construction but how they interconnect with their service provider customers.

I'm not sure what you mean by a fibre aggregation point but if you mean aggregation node then no. The fibre in there is for Openreach use only and always has been.

In reply to a post by XGS_Is_On:

Looks like you've misunderstood the page.

It's nothing to do with their fibre network construction but how they interconnect with their service provider customers.

I'm not sure what you mean by a fibre aggregation point but if you mean aggregation node then no. The fibre in there is for Openreach use only and always has been.

Understand. I'm more wanting to know where the fibre from the premise goes to, what it connects to and how it ultimately get's to the ISP.

I think it's a bit like "local loop unbundling" of old, when ISPs started to install their own equipment in BT exchanges, and making use of their own backhaul.

Basically wherever F&W network currently has their "incumbent" ISP Hey!Broadband's hand off points, other ISPs can install their own equipment and make use for F&W's fibre.

At least that's how I think it must work.

In reply to a post by AndyPandy:

I think it's a bit like "local loop unbundling" of old, when ISPs started to install their own equipment in BT exchanges, and making use of their own backhaul.

Basically wherever F&W network currently has their "incumbent" ISP Hey!Broadband's hand off points, other ISPs can install their own equipment and make use for F&W's fibre.

At least that's how I think it must work.

Yeah. This hand off point, is it within an Openreach exchange or where? Very mysterious considering I've seen no substantial digging work in my local area ... only pushing and pulling of a fibre wire in BT's ducts! Feels like some sort of piggyback off an existing BT/Openreach fibre wire back to an exchange of some sort?

Edited by Bobby_Valentino (Sat 18-May-24 11:57:11)

In reply to a post by AndyPandy:

I think it's a bit like "local loop unbundling" of old, when ISPs started to install their own equipment in BT exchanges, and making use of their own backhaul.

Basically wherever F&W network currently has their "incumbent" ISP Hey!Broadband's hand off points, other ISPs can install their own equipment and make use for F&W's fibre.

At least that's how I think it must work.

How ISPs can get at the F&W network is in the page you shared.

A Layer 2 cross-connect is our standard handover method, this can be performed from several locations depending on the ISP's preference. Handoff can also be made using local Openreach exchanges or local access networks.

This doesn't explain the access networks which seems to be what they were after. The above is all pretty standard stuff.

There will be a FEX (Fibre Exchange) somewhere where the OLTs are housed. That's the end of the local fibre network, and from there it would be onto the ISPs network.

Exactly where F&W has these is anybody's guess, but here's an example of a Cityfibre FEX being installed in a warehouse: https://www.tyronefabrication.co.uk/post/fex-cabin-i...