How Do OR Install FTTP (Questions About Box On Property)?

I am considering getting FTTP from Openreach/BT and are served by a pole.

I understand that a box will be attached to the outside wall of the property but does this box need to be put on top of the drilled hole into the property?

Can this box be attached on the outside wall and the hole into the property be drilled away from / near this box?

Thanks

It can be used to cover the entry point.

More usually though, the fibre would be run down to ground level below where it attached to the building, the box ( customer splice point ) is sited here, a separate cable is run from the ONT box in the property (which needs a permanent electrical supply) back to the CSP.

The installer will discuss all of this with you on the day. They can be flexible within reason.

just to add to Zarjaz's on point and excellent post, the newest version of the csp, is about handsized and now locked (screws).

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More usually though, the fibre would be run down to ground level below where it attached to the building, the box ( customer splice point ) is sited here, a separate cable is run from the ONT box in the property (which needs a permanent electrical supply) back to the CSP.
The installer will discuss all of this with you on the day. They can be flexible within reason.

I do not want the CSP covering the hole I wanted to check if the CSP can be placed on a wall but the fibre/electric cable enter the property say within a foot or two of the CSP.

As the wire from the pole enters on the front of the property can I put up some trunking down to ground level following the "eves"? Will the engineer be happy to use it?

I am concerned I may put up trunking but it is in the wrong place?

Thanks

What sort of trunking are you considering?

Edited by PCJM40 (Thu 12-Dec-24 11:56:05)

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What sort of trunking are you considering?

Good question.

I’d guess the answer might be ‘maybe’.
I’d not go that route myself … but times change.

True

The only person who will say 100% is the guy on the day, what is acceptable to one engineer may not be to another. If the OP really wants to put up some "trunking/conduit" I would suggest they follow the existing copper cable then they shouldn't be to far out although the guy on the day may refuse to use it so its a gamble.

Yep, I’d go along with that.

FWIWI dont have a csp so i put conduit up the side of the house alongside a downpipe and the fibre runs from the duct where it leaves the ground straight into the conduit then into the eaves and across the loft and then down through the stud walls to a cupboard in the middle of the house. the OR guys were more than happy to use it as i already had drawstrinds/ropes in place for them to use

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FWIWI dont have a csp so i put conduit up the side of the house alongside a downpipe ... the OR guys were more than happy to use it as i already had drawstrinds/ropes in place for them to use

???? So where did they do the joint between the inside fibre from the ONT and the outside fibre from the CBT? I ask because I believe the standard van stock is an inside fibre and an outside fibre, each with a single optical connector and a bare end. The CSP is there as the jointing point for the 2 bare ends.

They don’t. They strip back the outer/external layer of the cable sheath (leaving the soft white inner sheath in place) once it goes ‘indoors’ and use a field terminated* SC/APC connector at the ONT.

My 2019 install in Suffolk was the same CSP-less approach and Openreach were “experimenting” with different install techniques before settling back on CSP as the default.

*not my favourite way of doing terms. but hey ho.

Field fit connectors are no longer used by Openreach and haven’t been for a few years , apparently having a very high failure rate , something like 25% if I remember correctly …they now use cables of varying set lengths ( trimmed to the appropriate length at the CSP ) with factory pre fitted SC/APC connectors at the ONT end .

Edited by Iniltous (Thu 12-Dec-24 21:00:23)

Mine comes from a pole at first floor level, goes down the wall to ground floor level where the external box is. It then goes back up the wall and through a hole on the first floor where it connects to the ONT.

I don’t see any issue with what you want.

...I did say they were in their experimental phase.

Mine had been fine (touch wood), until a tree in the front garden came crashing through the drop cable at the end of last winter's storm season - it still worked with the fibre under tension like some crazed piano wire. Eventually it broke away.

Openreach came and replaced it and another fibre drop for DIA (both aerial) with exactly the same setup - although they just spiced both drop cables in a box within the loft space. There still isn't a trad style CSP on the place. 🤣

So you have a loft csp of sorts ? 🤭

They were pants, hard work to install, and often failed.

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In reply to a post by threelegs:

FWIWI dont have a csp so i put conduit up the side of the house alongside a downpipe ... the OR guys were more than happy to use it as i already had drawstrinds/ropes in place for them to use

???? So where did they do the joint between the inside fibre from the ONT and the outside fibre from the CBT? I ask because I believe the standard van stock is an inside fibre and an outside fibre, each with a single optical connector and a bare end. The CSP is there as the jointing point for the 2 bare ends.

no joint just cable down pole into duct under lawn, up wall into loft then to ONT where they fitted a plug and it was plugged into the ONT and hasn't moved for the last three + years.

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So you have a loft csp of sorts ? 🤭

I suppose so. I really should take a proper look at how they stitched it all back together. The original field fitted connector at the ONT is still going strong, been disconnected and reconnected (by me) many times for re-orgs etc.

I even kept the original Huawei-era BBU in place, for an extra level of autonomy during blackouts. Plopped in the 2024-era 2.5G Nokia ONT into the shell. Does the job - though had to Brother label the front panel of the BBU case as the order of the LED lights is a bit different to original + add some double sided velcro to keep the Nokia from flopping about in there. Heath R. would be impressed 🤣

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add some double sided velcro to keep the Nokia from flopping about in there.

Double sided velcro is lovely until you and it are one!!!!!!!! 🙈😂🤭

Haha. I may have told a little white lie....it wasn't double side velcro but a couple of 3M Command strips - basically a schmancy version of d/s velcro 😅

In reply to a post by think26872:

I am considering getting FTTP from Openreach/BT and are served by a pole.

I understand that a box will be attached to the outside wall of the property but does this box need to be put on top of the drilled hole into the property?

Can this box be attached on the outside wall and the hole into the property be drilled away from / near this box?

Thanks

Yes this how mine was installed, i wanted the ONT high up the kitchen wall as i have a shelf for the modem near a double socket on this wall (see picture below) , the engineer said the outside box would have to be low as he needed to splice the cable but i could have the hole where the cable enters the house wherever i wanted it.

This i a rough pic of my set up - https://ibb.co/6s39n7F