Can anyone explain this ?

As full fibre is at last available to my address i have a question,

On the BTW availability checker, it says that FF is available and lists the upload speed as upto 220mbps , Is that a product limitation, and why are no ISP's offering this UPTO 220 mbps speed? the most seeing is 105mbps on isp's advertisements also the Openreach fibre checker lists a max product as 1gb down and up to 115 up , I know that actual throughput will be lower than the product speeds, but who is correct BTW or Openreach?

That's the max BTW currently sell (it's a business choice and believed largely to protect their leased line business). The 220 upload product is significantly more expensive and there are few ISPs that sell it (Cerberus used to, not sure if they still do).

There is confusion between Openreach technical capabilities, and BTwholesale who are not the only wholesale operator. Openreach offer 220mbps upload on business packages only. BTwholesale may choose not to offer this speed. Openreach are starting to pilot faster speeds down and up, but are always slower than competitor networks - the reason always discussed is that Openreach have leased line business they don't want to impact.

BTw provide ISPs access to openreach products, not really a speed thing.

More here:
https://forum.kitz.co.uk/index.php?topic=27905.0

Cerberus will do you the 200Mbps upload service, it's £212 a month and £600 to install.

I can't imagine anybody is buying it.

In reply to a post by jpm:

Cerberus will do you the 200Mbps upload service, it's £212 a month and £600 to install.

I can't imagine anybody is buying it.

The problem with that product is the install cost. Its simply there to deter people from buying such a product. There no new ont - its standard 1gbit one .

Oh and theres no 1800/220 product ......... There is a 1800/120 product.

In reply to a post by Taras:

In reply to a post by jpm:

Cerberus will do you the 200Mbps upload service, it's £212 a month and £600 to install.

I can't imagine anybody is buying it.

The problem with that product is the install cost. Its simply there to deter people from buying such a product. There no new ont - its standard 1gbit one .

Oh and theres no 1800/220 product ......... There is a 1800/120 product.

which is a bit ridiculous in todays age, other companies like city fibre can do symmetrical speeds at a affordable price

Edited by tommy45 (Wed 29-Apr-26 18:42:38)

In reply to a post by tommy45:

In reply to a post by Taras:

In reply to a post by jpm:

Cerberus will do you the 200Mbps upload service, it's £212 a month and £600 to install.

I can't imagine anybody is buying it.

The problem with that product is the install cost. Its simply there to deter people from buying such a product. There no new ont - its standard 1gbit one .

Oh and theres no 1800/220 product ......... There is a 1800/120 product.

which is a bit ridiculous in todays age, other companies like city fibre can do symmetrical speeds at a affordable price

Altnets are providing symmetrical speeds due to being on xgs-pon and having a higher split ratio, (most probably 1/64) where as OR are still on g-pon (for now) and are on a 1/32 ratio (2 spare). Note that g-pon and xgs-pon can co-exist so or will run both for a very long time
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Plus OR are regulated by ofcomm where as the altnets do not have the same stranglehold.

Please do not conflate the two - even though both are typically fttp

OR chose to offer the products they sell. AltNets have limited coverage, OR has almost national coverage; and they do appear to be running fibre in my neighbourhood this last week.

The good news if you have an altnet in your road offering symmetric (e.g. Toob) you can easily sign up with them as you could with Virgin Media in the early 2000s.

Ofcom like competition; and Alison the new CEO of BT Group has stated she doesn't expect BT to be absolutely everywhere in the FTTP world.