In reply to a post by caffn8me:

A bit more poking around seems to suggest that the new faceplate is to be used for a new 'SOGEA' service - Single Order Generic Ethernet Access. There is a new SOGEA frontplate designed to use with the NTE5c.

http://www.sinet.bt.com/sinet/sins/pdf/STIN517v1p0.pdf

That's what it said in the OP's link. It just didn't give a picture of it, but it's clear from the new NGE5c backplate picture.

In reply to a post by BatBoy:

Ooo this bit's interesting

So is this:-

SOGEA:

- is an addition to the Openreach product portfolio and not intended to replace any existing product choices;
- uses the same Ethernet characteristics as currently available from GEA-FTTC products;
- is supplied with its own copper bearer that would terminate in the exchange and not with MPF or WLR equipment;
- is available as a new provide or migration from/to existing products or product combinations;
- will accommodate the industry geographic number port process in the order and provision process;
- requires any voice service to be provided entirely by VoIP from a service provider.

So it's the broadband-only-line provision product. Analogue phones have to go through a converter.

Leave the premises, and if the new owner wants a conventional phone service then *the NTE5c has to be replaced by a standard NTE5*.

Edit: Added red * highlight as this is probably incorrect, and that a PSTN faceplate would be fitted to the NTE5c plus a dangly filter.

Edited by RobertoS (Sat 09-Jan-16 22:50:35)

The wetting current has been proposed as a mitigation for HR faults.

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That's a different thing altogether. I was simply pointing out the result of fitting an NTE5c is VOIP only for phone services, with no exchange-end PSTN connections by Openreach.

In reply to a post by RobertoS:

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That's a different thing altogether. I was simply pointing out the result of fitting an NTE5c is VOIP only for phone services, with no exchange-end PSTN connections by Openreach.

But SOGEA doesn't really need a different NTE or an engineer to visit your home, as FTTC would still work without the E'side pair with the existing NTE and filtered faceplates,This to me sounds like another revenue generating idea from BT OR, that will offer no real benefit to the customer as well as associated charges from the engineering work to be re cooped by the provider, which is likely to mean a tie in or increased price, the word Scam is on the tip of my tounge

Edited by tommy45 (Sat 09-Jan-16 16:20:09)

In reply to a post by RobertoS:

Leave the premises, and if the new owner wants a conventional phone service then the NTE5c has to be replaced by a standard NTE5.

Is that this bit?

CPs should note that the SOGEA face-plate must be removed and replaced with an appropriate alternative if the service is changed to include standard WLR or MPF.

Yes.

Edit - though on reflection it may be that there is a POTS faceplate for the NTE5c, and then any broadband + PSTN would require a dangly filter.

Edited by RobertoS (Sat 09-Jan-16 22:45:49)

In reply to a post by RobertoS:

Yes.

Edit - though on reflection it may be that there is a POTS faceplate for the NTE5c, and then any broadband + PSTN would require a dangly filter.

which would be a step backwards surely, and if it was the case they could stick it for me

You wouldn't (legally) have a choice. DIY would of course solve it, but few would dare do that.

The idea would appear to be a be able to feed the VoIP calls from the ATA onto customers existing telephone extension wiring without sending back down the pair heading back to the cabinet.