The last OpenReach quote I saw for adding ducting to a carriageway was £112.05 per meter! That was very recently.
The user above has nearly 400m of DIG cable. I'll leave you to do the maths

How much does it cost to dig up a main road, and if its much more expensive than a side street what makes it more expensive? as I am curious. Thanks. Is it fees paid to the council or something?

In a side street they can get away with light traffic controls, sometimes as easy as blocking half the road with a few cones. They can do it in sections over a number of days/weeks, without having to constantly reinstate everything.

On a main road Health & Safety throws a few more ££'s at the price. Traffic lights, road closures, time restrictions.
There's a higher likelihood of other utilities being in the way on a main road, increasing the cost.
Reinstating a main road to its original state is much more expensive also.

I disagree on the ownership part, to me if I am paying the costs to cover the materials, the manpower etc. Then I expect at least partial ownership of the result. For this reason I wont order a FTTPoD product, I consider it insanity, especially as in multiple cases a leased line is cheaper than FTTPoD.

That's a ridiculous expectation.
The reason you're being asked to pay for it as your asking OpenReach to forget all their other fully costed projects, timescales, deployments of man-power etc and come do your particular job straight away.
On top of that even though your not their customer (the ISP is), you want to own part of it.
I assume you also wouldn't want any liability for repairs or maintenance of this infrastructure you part own?

Can you not understand how ridiculous that is?

I got no idea of costings other than what it costs other telco companies, hence me asking about it and the consideration of getting competitor quotes to try and help those dealing with high quotes.

In reply to a post by candlerb:

If the desk survey quote is much higher than expected, I'd suggest first getting your service provider to query it with Openreach, and try to get an informal explanation of why it is so high. There might be a good reason.

Otherwise, you're just hoping that the street surveyor can find a lower-cost solution than the person who had all the OR records of ducts and poles on a screen in front of them.

Following my desk-based quote (£39,000+), I acquired from Cerberus the list of premises passed that OR used to provide my quote. Needless to say the OR records for my area appear comically out of date, with some truly bizarre ideas of where neighbouring premises are and what the duct route into my estate is.

So yes, gotta hand over that £300 for the surveyor visit to get anywhere close to an accurate cost estimate in my case. I suggested to Cerberus that OR had essentially put a finger in the air to come up with the £39k desk quote sum and they concurred it was likely in the absence of then having good records.

In reply to a post by Webbs:

Following my desk-based quote (£39,000+), I acquired from Cerberus the list of premises passed that OR used to provide my quote. Needless to say the OR records for my area appear comically out of date, with some truly bizarre ideas of where neighbouring premises are and what the duct route into my estate is.

So yes, gotta hand over that £300 for the surveyor visit to get anywhere close to an accurate cost estimate in my case. I suggested to Cerberus that OR had essentially put a finger in the air to come up with the £39k desk quote sum and they concurred it was likely in the absence of then having good records.

So how much cheaper was the quote after you paid the £300 ?

In reply to a post by bowdon:

In reply to a post by Webbs:

Following my desk-based quote (£39,000+), I acquired from Cerberus the list of premises passed that OR used to provide my quote. Needless to say the OR records for my area appear comically out of date, with some truly bizarre ideas of where neighbouring premises are and what the duct route into my estate is.

So yes, gotta hand over that £300 for the surveyor visit to get anywhere close to an accurate cost estimate in my case. I suggested to Cerberus that OR had essentially put a finger in the air to come up with the £39k desk quote sum and they concurred it was likely in the absence of then having good records.

So how much cheaper was the quote after you paid the £300 ?

Haven't had the surveyor visit yet. Will be interesting to see what comes out of it though obv.

In reply to a post by Webbs:

Following my desk-based quote (£39,000+), I acquired from Cerberus the list of premises passed that OR used to provide my quote.

I can say now after speaking to the Openreach surveyor and being told exactly where the AN is.

When I had the desktop survey done they said they would be passing 19 properties.

That is most definitely wrong.

From being told exactly the route of the cable that number is around 40-50 homes.

I have not had the actual full survey figures back yet just spoke to the actual person on Friday. So am not sure how they could have got only 19 premises past.

My only guess is they are treating the cable going down two streets as only serving people on one side of the road and not the hourses on the other side of the road? Which would be odd. But expalin why its half the actual number.

Or more likely Openreach cannot count.

... I�d guess that the properties passed is those currently served by the same copper DP as yours .....

In reply to a post by Anth:

From being told exactly the route of the cable that number is around 40-50 homes.

It may seem odd, but the term "properties passed" does not mean the number of properties that the fibre cable runs past.

A property "passed" means that it's able to take FTTP service: that is, there is a breakout point which serves that property. So there could be a group of 19 properties which are planned to share a splitter or a distribution point, to which individual drop cables can be connected when a particular property orders FTTP service. Then there's a fibre cable from that point back to the aggregation node.

Although the backhaul cable may run alongside a number of other properties, they are unable to take FTTP service, in the sense that there's nowhere for them to connect to. They can't cut into a fibre cable just because it runs past a property who wants service. So these are not "passed" for service.

Those properties could order a completely separate FTTPoD service though; and when it's activated, a different group of properties would be counted as "passed".

In reply to a post by Zarjaz:

... I�d guess that the properties passed is those currently served by the same copper DP as yours .....

Exactly this, this is how the FoD quotes are modelled.

In reply to a post by j0hn83:

You're 1 of the only people to post a follow up on the desktop surveys.

I'd be another, but for now an actual survey is yet to occur. To be fair, Cerberus have been great in terms of keeping me up to date, usually with updates on a Thursday.

The latest such update (bearing in mind the survey was commissioned 10 weeks ago) said that Openreach is still trying to find a surveyor to conduct the survey. Either they're all working flat out or, as I suspect, FTTPoD has been given a very low priority within Openreach.

Edited by deleted (Mon 11-Jun-18 07:21:53)