In reply to a post by Woolwich:

I really don't want to start something if the answer is going to be a couple of grand.

How will you know if you don't try????

In reply to a post by Woolwich:

Yes, people occasionally moan the local Facebook. I really don't want to start something if the answer is going to be a couple of grand. Aren't vouchers worth £1500 and then its whatever - £500? - on top. So with no vouchers it might be £2000. That's not an amount I can put my hands on right now and I guess most others would be in the same situation given the situation.

That's the trouble, not knowing the price of an unknown length of string. Or, if you have to ask, you can't afford...

And equally, if you apply for a CFP and provide a list of people who would take FTTP if it were available, Openreach might turn it into a "demand-led" scheme and/or add it to their existing rollout you have found.

You have to be in it to win it.

In reply to a post by candlerb:

Openreach might turn it into a "demand-led" scheme and/or add it to their existing rollout you have found.

Tell me more about how/when/why OR might decide not to take our cash and make a CFP "demand led". Need to know this stuff to be in a position to explain to the neighbours.

Hi

I submitted a CFP scheme last year for my street and the next one as none of the village has FTTP. I wanted to keep it fairly small and it was 60 houses in total and with some door knocking and mailshots from Superfast South Yorkshire I managed to get 30 houses prepared to sign up ( most of the houses were getting 30Mb max ).

BT OR came back with a initial quote of £201k "gap" to cover the 30 houses so we had a shortfall of 150k after the vouchers were taken into consideration. That meant it was a non starter as would have meant over 3k contribution per person, I never even bothered asking.

After a long chat to the BT OR Rural Engagement Manager overlooking the scheme we discussed submitting a quote for the entire village to see what it came out at. I then sat plugging away getting all the postcodes for the village and sat on the portal and added every one, 721 in total.

Surprisingly when they came back to me the quote was £460k "gap" to enable the entire village, the cost property had dropped a lot.

So, we decided this was worth a try and it went back to BT and due to the size of it has now been picked up as a demand led scheme. There is a further 30%uplift added to the above figure now taking it to 598k as BT are effectivly taking on the risk and there is no CIC required and BT are assisting with the marketing side also.

So looking at the above I need around 400 out of the 720 houses to take it up ( assuming residential only ) to hit the figure.

We are at the stage now of gaining approval from the DCMS regarding the vouchers and then the website should be live in a couple of weeks.

That will be when the real hard work will start. Its not going to be easy as door knocking isnt really an option now but I am going to give it my best shot

In reply to a post by tikka69:

There is a further 30%uplift added to the above figure now taking it to 598k as BT are effectively taking on the risk and there is no CIC required and BT are assisting with the marketing side also.

I didn't realise this happened, so there are pros and cons to it becoming demand led.

That’s really useful insight and feedback for those folks looking into something like this. Thank you for sharing and good luck with it

In reply to a post by tikka69:

BT are effectivly taking on the risk and there is no CIC required

"CIC"?

Still trying to get my head around this. You have a demand led CFP, so OR think its worth doing. But you still need the community to pay, in your case via government vouchers? If that's correct, what't the difference between a plain CFP and a demand led one?

In reply to a post by Woolwich:

"CIC"?

CIC means Community Interest Company

A company who can sign contracts with Openreach

Community Interest Company.

Its for when your wanting to run a CFP with BT ( not demand led ) and its a legal entity they can deal with as far as I know.

It hasnt come to that for me now as the scheme has bee changed to demand led so one is not required, however this adds an uplift to the cost of 30% to be reached.

The idea is if we reach the target number of households it will cover the gap cost 100%, therefore no outlay will be required from anyone as the vouchers will cover it. This is the same whether its demand led or not.

I am not sure with a demand-led scheme if you can make up the difference or not if you dont reach your target, I would guess not. You have so long to reach your target ( around 3 months from what I can make out ) or it doesnt happen.

Edited by deleted (Thu 21-Jan-21 11:01:00)

hmmm

interesting view point