In reply to a post by ParksidePeter:

Some strange comments on this. I wasn't complaining, although I 'haven't' registered to receive information from BTO, not having any reason to do so, but I thought it might be possible that there would be some interest in what BTO was saying about Fibre broadband.

What comment is strange?

Perhaps you haven't, but someone has 100% enquired on the Openreach fibre checker site with your exact address and email address.
That email is the generic response they send to users who made such an enquiry upon their address being added to their build plans.

Openreach would have no other way to have your details. They also don't send unsolicited emails.

The email is just standard sales talk which we've all heard before far too many times.

The OP , incorrectly calls Openreach , BT Openreach, when there is no such organisation , and asks why Openreach would think they were interested in ‘BT’ , but the email Openreach sent definitely doesn’t encourage the use of any one particular ISP over another .
Its certain that someone must have entered the OP email details at some point , if the email is unwanted just delete it , before doing that , it may even have a way to be removed from any future email communication…the OP states they are not complaining about receiving this email but in that case what was the point of posting ? It’s hardly surprising that OR send emails to those that have registered an interest ( even if that individual doesn’t recall doing it , or someone else entered their details ) when OR have some information to impart, sending an email about it to those that asked to be kept apprised seems unremarkable

Edited by Iniltous (Mon 08-Jan-24 13:27:52)

In reply to a post by Iniltous:

The OP , incorrectly calls Openreach , BT Openreach, when there is no such organisation , and asks why Openreach would think they were interested in ‘BT’ , but the email Openreach sent definitely doesn’t encourage the use of any one particular ISP over another .
Its certain that someone must have entered the OP email details at some point , if the email is unwanted just delete it , before doing that , it may even have a way to be removed from any future email communication…the OP states they are not complaining about receiving this email but in that case what was the point of posting ? It’s hardly surprising that OR send emails to those that have registered an interest ( even if that individual doesn’t recall doing it , or someone else entered their details ) when OR have some information to impart, sending an email about it to those that asked to be kept apprised seems unremarkable

Openreach belongs to BT, so it is BT openreach, just because they took BT off the name to try and foll people into thinking that BT don't control it, don't make it not BT openreach. It all belongs to BT group.


Yes, I do agree that someone must have registered to receive emails at some point, as I doubt BT/openreach would take the risk of spamming people .

Do you call them VW Skoda then ?

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=do+volkswagen+own+...

If you bought something from Screwfix , and someone asked where you got it , would you say B&Q or perhaps Kingfisher after all aren’t they all the same ?,
AFAIR, weren’t you once a Plusnet customer , did you refer them as BT Plusnet , or just Plusnet , your somewhat irrational distaste for all things BT presumably lessened to the extent that you could use PN without feeling dirty by holding onto the fact that PN are operationally separate, much like Openreach in fact ,

Edited by Iniltous (Mon 08-Jan-24 17:35:25)

In reply to a post by zyborg47:

Openreach belongs to BT, so it is BT openreach, just because they took BT off the name to try and foll people into thinking that BT don't control it, don't make it not BT openreach. It all belongs to BT group.

The company has always been OPENREACH - since 2017

BT Openreach was a different company, now dissolved, and was not connected with BT plc.

Well said.

In reply to a post by Zarjaz:

Do you call them VW Skoda then ?

I don't care who is in control of whom, but to be fair while Openreach is a separate company, BT PLC are in control of it (please read on) shown below.

When I say controlled by I am referring to they have significant control over it by the Nature of Control (shown below), you can find all this information on Companies House - GOV.UK.

Nature of control

• Ownership of shares – 75% or more
• Ownership of voting rights - 75% or more
• Right to appoint and remove directors

Who controls whom (by Nature of control)

• Openreach Limited (10690039) is controlled by British Telecommunications Plc (1800000)
• British Telecommunications Plc (1800000) is controlled by Bt Group Investments Limited (04278695)
• Bt Group Investments Limited (04278695) is controlled by Bt Group Plc (04190816)

I may or may not of forgotten some, so don't bite my head off

So depending on how you look at it, BT as in British Telecommunications Plc (1800000) are in control of Openreach Limited (10690039) due to the Nature of control listed above, but as far as I can see is that Bt Group Plc (04190816) is the most parent company in control that I could look up.

Also fun fact: Bt Group Plc (04190816) used to be called "NEWGATE TELECOMMUNICATIONS LIMITED" back on 30th March 2001 - 11th September 2001.
I never knew that.

Also they are now all located in the same building: 1 Braham Street London E1 8EE as from 1st Jan 2022.

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Paul

In reply to a post by MHC:

In reply to a post by zyborg47:

Openreach belongs to BT, so it is BT openreach, just because they took BT off the name to try and foll people into thinking that BT don't control it, don't make it not BT openreach. It all belongs to BT group.

The company has always been OPENREACH - since 2017

BT Openreach was a different company, now dissolved, and was not connected with BT plc.

This I can agree with 100%.
BUT even though they are all separate companies there is the Nature of control (shares and voting rights) to consider too which British Telecommunications Plc owned 75%+ of both.

I showed more on this in my other post, but they are all completely separate.

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