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Standard User markhuges
(newbie) Mon 16-Sep-13 13:24:42
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Can i Use BrightBox router - On Own ISP?


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Hello, I am new here and sorry if this is in wrong section

Can i use the Bright Box router on my own Talktalk ISP?

Thank You
Standard User XRaySpeX
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Mon 16-Sep-13 15:05:08
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[re: markhuges] [link to this post]
 
No. The username is hard-coded to end in '@fs'.

1999: Freeserve 48K Dial-Up => 2005: Wanadoo 1 Meg BB => 2007: Orange 2 Meg BB => 2008: Orange 8 Meg LLU => 2010: Orange 16 Meg LLU => 2011: Orange 20 Meg WBC

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Standard User markhuges
(newbie) Mon 16-Sep-13 17:25:33
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Okay, Thank You


Now, Is it possible to put my own isp? e.g like unlock it?

Thanks


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Standard User XRaySpeX
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Mon 16-Sep-13 17:28:44
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Only if you can hack the firmware.

By 'no' I do mean 'no'!

1999: Freeserve 48K Dial-Up => 2005: Wanadoo 1 Meg BB => 2007: Orange 2 Meg BB => 2008: Orange 8 Meg LLU => 2010: Orange 16 Meg LLU => 2011: Orange 20 Meg WBC

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Standard User markhuges
(newbie) Mon 16-Sep-13 18:24:18
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In reply to a post by XRaySpeX:
Only if you can hack the firmware.

By 'no' I do mean 'no'!


Okay? crazy (PuzzledandConfused)

Where can i get more Info, and How hard is it? Can a novice do it? ]

Thank You for your help! PS Do you have a brightbox
Standard User XRaySpeX
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Mon 16-Sep-13 19:24:01
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There is no more info else I would've given it.

Yes, I use a BrightBox on an Orange connection.

EDIT: Maybe in my original answer it would be better to say 'hard-coded' rather than 'locked'.

1999: Freeserve 48K Dial-Up => 2005: Wanadoo 1 Meg BB => 2007: Orange 2 Meg BB => 2008: Orange 8 Meg LLU => 2010: Orange 16 Meg LLU => 2011: Orange 20 Meg WBC

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Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Mon 16-Sep-13 19:27:41
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Any device is hackable to do all manner of things when it is software based, but to the best our knowledge no-one has done this to the brightbox.

Andrew Ferguson, [email protected]
www.thinkbroadband.com - formerly known as ADSLguide.org.uk
The author of the above post is a thinkbroadband staff member. It may not constitute an official statement on behalf of thinkbroadband.
Standard User glossywhite
(member) Mon 16-Sep-13 22:04:49
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In reply to a post by MrSaffron:
Any device is hackable to do all manner of things when it is software based, but to the best our knowledge no-one has done this to the brightbox.


By "no", he really means "YES!", since this has been an option for months - see my video which explains how, which I created in May:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUvgALx2Ou8

Please also see my post @ "the-scream" forums, which shows the same method:

http://www.the-scream.co.uk/forums/showpost.php?p=24...


!!! PRE-REQUISITE FOR THIS METHOD, IS THE NEWER "EE" FIRMWARE !!!

http://www.the-scream.co.uk/forums/showpost.php?p=24...


*Some* folk have said they cannot get it to work - I beg to differ, as MANY have had it working. I put it to you that those who cannot get it working, are more likely to have PEBKAC than the method not working wink


## EDIT ##

It would seem that many people who are having issues with the above documented "unlocking" (bypassing) method, are having said issues because this method has not been shown to work on EE fibre, but works on ADSL lines smile

Edited by glossywhite (Mon 16-Sep-13 22:26:59)

Standard User Brunel
(experienced) Mon 16-Sep-13 22:14:28
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Try it and see.

TT do not use a name and password, authenticates on line details......
Standard User E7er
(knowledge is power) Mon 16-Sep-13 23:58:58
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For EE/Orange since the move to BTWholesale WBC network the MTU is 1500. Orange LLU network broadband service was 1492 this service has now ceased. wink

How to set Bright Box to other ISP:

4/ At the very bottom of the page, you'll see a box - "MTU" - type in the correct value (1500 for O2 and BT, 1492 for Orange/EE)

http://www.the-scream.co.uk/forums/showpost.php?p=24...

EE broadband WBC 20 Mbps unlimited. Sync 15282 kbps Downstream, 1276 kbps Upstream. thinkbroadband/SpeedTest
Bright Box ADSL2+ wireless N Router supplied by EE/Orange
BT Business Hub 2Wire 2700HGV v2 ADSL2+ Dual SSID wireless Router
Standard User XRaySpeX
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Tue 17-Sep-13 00:04:31
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In reply to a post by E7er:
(1500 for O2 and BT, 1492 for Orange/EE)
Orange/EE is BT grin

1999: Freeserve 48K Dial-Up => 2005: Wanadoo 1 Meg BB => 2007: Orange 2 Meg BB => 2008: Orange 8 Meg LLU => 2010: Orange 16 Meg LLU => 2011: Orange 20 Meg WBC
Standard User glossywhite
(member) Tue 17-Sep-13 00:42:05
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In reply to a post by XRaySpeX:
In reply to a post by E7er:
(1500 for O2 and BT, 1492 for Orange/EE)
Orange/EE is BT grin


In most cases, yes; Orange = "BT Openreach" = "IPStream" = 1500 MTU.

I'm not sure if this applies to *all* Orange lines, so I would be cautious handing out this MTU as a universal solution smile
Standard User XRaySpeX
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Tue 17-Sep-13 02:00:42
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In reply to a post by glossywhite:
In most cases, yes; Orange = "BT Openreach" = "IPStream" = 1500 MTU.
Not Openreach! It's BT Wholesale who operate Orange BB. And it's not just IPStream! In "most cases" they provide WBC ADSL2+ in 21CN exchanges, for which MTU = 1500 as I showed you many moons ago.

1999: Freeserve 48K Dial-Up => 2005: Wanadoo 1 Meg BB => 2007: Orange 2 Meg BB => 2008: Orange 8 Meg LLU => 2010: Orange 16 Meg LLU => 2011: Orange 20 Meg WBC
Standard User glossywhite
(member) Tue 17-Sep-13 14:50:45
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In reply to a post by XRaySpeX:
In reply to a post by glossywhite:
In most cases, yes; Orange = "BT Openreach" = "IPStream" = 1500 MTU.
Not Openreach! It's BT Wholesale who operate Orange BB. And it's not just IPStream! In "most cases" they provide WBC ADSL2+ in 21CN exchanges, for which MTU = 1500 as I showed you many moons ago.


BT Wholesale *manage* the wholesale lease of their LLU equipment to Orange/EE, hence the term "wholesale". BT Openreach are the ones who do all the hard work, and physically connect the lines and maintain the equipment - the people who get their hands dirty, physically.

They are different departments of the same company. If you have a fault on your line, Openreach are called by your ISP, and they come out to fix it.

Wikipedia:

"Openreach manages BT's local access network which connects customers to their local telephone exchange, starting at the Main Distribution Frame (MDF) in the exchange and ending at the network termination point (NTP) at the end user's premises. Openreach also manages the connections between the MDF and the BT Wholesale/Local Loop Unbundling (LLU) termination points located in the exchange, often referred to as jumper connections."
Standard User glossywhite
(member) Tue 17-Sep-13 15:00:21
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In reply to a post by glossywhite:
In reply to a post by XRaySpeX:
In reply to a post by glossywhite:
In most cases, yes; Orange = "BT Openreach" = "IPStream" = 1500 MTU.
Not Openreach! It's BT Wholesale who operate Orange BB. And it's not just IPStream! In "most cases" they provide WBC ADSL2+ in 21CN exchanges, for which MTU = 1500 as I showed you many moons ago.


BT Wholesale *manage* the wholesale lease of their LLU equipment to Orange/EE, hence the term "wholesale". BT Openreach are the ones who do all the hard work, and physically connect the lines and maintain the equipment - the people who get their hands dirty, physically.

They are different departments of the same company. If you have a fault on your line, Openreach are called by your ISP, and they come out to fix it.

Wikipedia:

"Openreach manages BT's local access network which connects customers to their local telephone exchange, starting at the Main Distribution Frame (MDF) in the exchange and ending at the network termination point (NTP) at the end user's premises. Openreach also manages the connections between the MDF and the BT Wholesale/Local Loop Unbundling (LLU) termination points located in the exchange, often referred to as jumper connections."






In reply to a post by MrSaffron:
Any device is hackable to do all manner of things when it is software based, but to the best our knowledge no-one has done this to the brightbox.


By "our", you mean "my", since I am a part of the collective "our" you are referring to, and I had published this months ago!

You even commented on the post:

http://forums.thinkbroadband.com/freeserve/4240615-h...


If you'd Googled "bright box another ISP" you'd also have found my video.


:-/
Standard User XRaySpeX
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Tue 17-Sep-13 15:01:04
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In reply to a post by glossywhite:
BT Wholesale *manage* the wholesale lease of their LLU equipment
Shows how you've misunderstood it! BT don't have any LLU kit by definition; it's all not Unbundled from BT.

Yes, BT OR do the plumbing on behalf of everyone else, but it is BTw's products that we are all buying.

1999: Freeserve 48K Dial-Up => 2005: Wanadoo 1 Meg BB => 2007: Orange 2 Meg BB => 2008: Orange 8 Meg LLU => 2010: Orange 16 Meg LLU => 2011: Orange 20 Meg WBC
Standard User glossywhite
(member) Tue 17-Sep-13 15:03:04
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[re: XRaySpeX] [link to this post]
 
In reply to a post by XRaySpeX:
In reply to a post by glossywhite:
BT Wholesale *manage* the wholesale lease of their LLU equipment
Shows how you've misunderstood it! BT don't have any LLU kit by definition; it's all not Unbundled from BT.

Yes, BT OR do the plumbing on behalf of everyone else, but it is BTw's products that we are all buying.


I'm 100 miles past caring who's right or wrong.

Have a fun day smile
Standard User XRaySpeX
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Tue 17-Sep-13 15:13:18
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In reply to a post by glossywhite:
In reply to a post by MrSaffron:
Any device is hackable to do all manner of things when it is software based, but to the best our knowledge no-one has done this to the brightbox.
You even commented on the post:
Mr Saffron never commented on that thread; essentially only I did, asking whether you had Proof of Concept this time as once before you had to withdraw one of your hacks as it did not work.

EDIT: Perhaps OP may confirm this one works, but perhaps not as it seems that TT connections don't care about the username/pwd in the router.

P.S. There was no need to include that big quote of yourself; it has nowt to with the point you are making here.

1999: Freeserve 48K Dial-Up => 2005: Wanadoo 1 Meg BB => 2007: Orange 2 Meg BB => 2008: Orange 8 Meg LLU => 2010: Orange 16 Meg LLU => 2011: Orange 20 Meg WBC

Edited by XRaySpeX (Tue 17-Sep-13 15:33:41)

Standard User XRaySpeX
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Tue 17-Sep-13 15:16:05
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You may very well be, but what's the point of propagating misinformation to any readers of your posts? Facts always trump any falsehoods.

1999: Freeserve 48K Dial-Up => 2005: Wanadoo 1 Meg BB => 2007: Orange 2 Meg BB => 2008: Orange 8 Meg LLU => 2010: Orange 16 Meg LLU => 2011: Orange 20 Meg WBC

Edited by XRaySpeX (Tue 17-Sep-13 15:18:39)

Standard User glossywhite
(member) Tue 17-Sep-13 15:31:51
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Enjoy the hack. It was easily found.


Forum, if you want accurate and in-depth router information and hacks, visit:

http://www.the-scream.co.uk/forums/



and for Bright Box information and hacks, visit:

http://www.the-scream.co.uk/forums/t31206.html
Standard User Mike_Williams
(committed) Thu 19-Sep-13 23:03:35
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[re: glossywhite] [link to this post]
 
In reply to a post by glossywhite:
In reply to a post by XRaySpeX:
In reply to a post by E7er:
(1500 for O2 and BT, 1492 for Orange/EE)
Orange/EE is BT grin
In most cases, yes; Orange = "BT Openreach" = "IPStream" = 1500 MTU.

I'm not sure if this applies to *all* Orange lines, so I would be cautious handing out this MTU as a universal solution smile
In my experience (in our village in which TT has LLU presence) I have found that 1400 works best. Some of the time https traffic does not even get through until I drop the MTU from the TT recommended setting of 1492 to 1400. I think that the https traffic is being broken by having it's packets fragmented.

For my Orange/EE (BT) line my router's MTU setting is 1500

Regards
Mike Williams

Info :-
Line: Length 250 metres
Modem router: Buffalo wbmr-hp-g300h + LinkSys wg54g both running dd-wrt firmware
IP Profile = Down 19418 kbps Up 1019 kbps

2012: EE WBC 20Mbps Down: 22010 kbps Up: 1019 kbps
2003: Demon ADSLMax 8Mbps Down: 8128 kbps Up: 448 kbps
Standard User JONNYBOY5
(newbie) Wed 07-Oct-15 07:01:45
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Had EE Brightbox plugged in and I have just switched from EE to TalkTalk. I didn't even notice the service had switched, but the connection was still working!
Got marginally better performance from the TalkTalk router, though.
Standard User XRaySpeX
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Wed 07-Oct-15 14:33:28
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Yes, since my original reply I was corrected that TT doesn't use username/pwd. So Brightboxes will work on TT connections but not on most others which do check a username/pwd.

1999: Freeserve 48K Dial-Up => 2005: Wanadoo 1 Meg BB => 2007: Orange 2 Meg BB => 2008: Orange 8 Meg LLU => 2010: Orange 16 Meg LLU => 2011: Orange 20 Meg WBC
Standard User vimto_girl
(committed) Wed 07-Oct-15 16:03:32
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In reply to a post by XRaySpeX:
So Brightboxes will work on TT connections but not on most others which do check a username/pwd.
I used glossywhite's instructions a few weeks ago to successfully and easily change the username and password on a Brightbox for someone who wanted to use it on another ISP. It worked straightaway for ADSL and only took a few minutes of trial and error to adapt it for FTTC. So I can vouch that it works.
Standard User XRaySpeX
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Wed 07-Oct-15 18:41:28
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Well done!

1999: Freeserve 48K Dial-Up => 2005: Wanadoo 1 Meg BB => 2007: Orange 2 Meg BB => 2008: Orange 8 Meg LLU => 2010: Orange 16 Meg LLU => 2011: Orange 20 Meg WBC
Standard User vimto_girl
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Standard User XRaySpeX
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Wed 07-Oct-15 19:13:43
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OIC! You are never wrong & learn by your mistakes? Isn't that being rather cocky?

Anyway that was 2 years ago. I now get everything right 1st time wink!

1999: Freeserve 48K Dial-Up => 2005: Wanadoo 1 Meg BB => 2007: Orange 2 Meg BB => 2008: Orange 8 Meg LLU => 2010: Orange 16 Meg LLU => 2011: Orange 20 Meg WBC

Edited by XRaySpeX (Wed 07-Oct-15 19:23:19)

Administrator MrSaffron
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Attacking fellow forum users is not the way to have a sensible debate or help anyway.

If you disagree with something someone else says the best way forward to is to help provide information so that everyone can learn.

The author of the above post is a thinkbroadband staff member. It may not constitute an official statement on behalf of thinkbroadband.
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