Homefront

http://www.homefront-game.com/#/home



http://www.infowars.com/homefront-the-latest-in-dese...

Exciting stuff.....................Not

I wont be loosing sleep in anticipation of picking up this game Swanny...

It's being worked on by Kaos Studio so its bound to be GOOD!





Incase your wondering, they made Frontlines:FoW. So they have nothing to shout about or hype up, in my opinion they should be releasing their game's idea and the working/functional parts of their game, rather than some cooked up trailer.

Is it?

Frontlines was fundamentally broken in many aspects because kaos kicked out of the door too early.

Anyway, homefront looks interesting but its a 2011 release so im not bothering following it for now, too early.

I was being sarcastic about it being good hence the caps

Not much to look forward to right now in Pc Gaming for me personally. Maybe SWTOR will surprise me, but I'm more geared to expect disappointment from what I've seen (FMV's /= great game unless it's a single player rpg).

Looks like 90% plot and 10% fun.

Have you seen Defcon? Download for limited gameplay. It's kinda interesting, and if you remember Wargames / the Cold War, it's slightly sobering.

Most games these days are lacking in gameplay, preferring to go for max gfx, or loads of trailers. Then you have FM07, 08, 09 etc.

Bring back Jetset Willy!!

Anyone who hasn't played introversion games is committing a crime against gaming*.

*(exemptions for console gamers available except in the case of darwinia)

In reply to a post by Gzero:

Not much to look forward to right now in Gaming for me personally.

Fixed for accuracy

Apparently SWTOR is one to try before you buy, apparently it tries to play like KOTOR games but online and ends up in a mismatch of gameplay.

I dont think there is anything amazing lined up on any of the major platforms.

It seems the Wii has metroid other M coming which seems like it might be decent, for those who like their RPG's theres dragon quest IX (9) on the DS which seems to have a boat load of playability, other than that its nothing until autumn/winter :|, what a naff year.

Comes out in March

Actually i have just retracted my statement and i may well be picking up the game after watching a lot of stuff regarding this game.

The game looks ok on the face of it, but i would like to know more info on the multilayer side of things such is there a co-op mode i haven't found any info on that as yet but i did find this

In reference to www.game-debate.com/games/index.php?g_id=624&game=Homefront:

Full System Requirements for Homefront
Jan-29-2011
The PC game Homefront tells us of a bleak future where the world superpower crumbles and is invaded by the North Koreans.

We have just received the official Homefront system requirements

Homefront Minimum system requirements
· Windows XP, Windows Vista or Windows 7
· Intel Pentium Core 2 Duo 2.4 GHz or AMD Athlon X2 2.8GHz
· 2 GB RAM
· Shader Model 3.0 graphics card with 256MB of memory
· NVIDIA GeForce 7900GS or ATI Radeon 1900XT
· 10GB of free hard drive space

Homefront Recommended system requirements
· Windows Vista or Windows 7
· Intel or AMD Quad Core 2 GHz+ CPU
· 2 GB RAM
· NVIDIA GeForce 260 or ATI Radeon 4850
· 10 GB of free hard drive space

Homefront NVIDIA 3D Vision Recommended requirements

· 3D Compatible NVIDIA GeForce 480/570 Series GPU
· NVIDIA 3D Vision Kit
· 3D Vision-Ready Display
· Intel Core i7 processor
· 2 GB RAM
· Windows Vista or Windows 7
· 10GB of free hard drive space

Here is some extra info about the Homefront

How many players in Multiplayer on PC?
Homefront will support 32 player servers on PC when the game ships. Our large maps actually play best with that number.

Will there be a PC Beta/Demo?
Right now the teams at Kaos Studios & Digital Extremes are working hard on finishing the game at the highest level of quality possible. Of course we'd love to release a public Demo, but this would detract efforts from the main game.

Is there environmental destruction?
Only low-level, mostly superficial destruction

What are the server requirements?
Server requirements are actually pretty low, such that more processing power simply yields the ability to run more servers concurrently.

but the the engine that the game is based on Unreal engine is what i'm not sure of

What made you change your mind??

When i first saw it Swanny i was not over impressed and i have been following the game for sometime,reading interviews,watching developers diary,and many different videos of the game in question.

Some vids i watch look really good then other times the game dont look so cool depending on what video you watch.

Its not a game that has me totally excited like others so review scores and previews of the game will make me decide if to Stick Or Twist.

I have it on pre/order but that may well change in the next week or so if i see rubbish reviews or mediocre game scores.

More excited about Crysis 2 and Brink..................and Killzone 3 is really good and Bulletstorm is a awesome blast.

Same logic can be applied to Crysis 2 when i played the Multiplayer demo on xbox live,again not really a mind blowing experience and again not really that impressed,but then you watch the single player videos of the game on either console it looks stunning.

I am quite happy to have a very long single player game that looks this good but hope that the single player multiplayer demo on a map called skyline is not the full representation of the finished build.

Edited by time2die (Tue 01-Mar-11 11:57:15)

Still excited about this game Swanny then check out the new Multiplayer Trailer just released HERE.

After watching this even myself is getting a little pumped up about this game because as you know on previous posting i was not that bothered to much for the game.

Its a game that has my attention but up until a few weeks back i was not that convinced but this trailer makes me want to stand up and take notice.

Just out of interest the Official Playstation Magazine [Italy] Scores it a nice 9/10 saying that its one of the most intense shooters they have ever played.

Don't mean much i know as we all are aware of the Hype trail and games getting above or below review scores before.

Anyway its out 2 weeks today so all will be revealed for sure,had originally ordered it for the Playstation but have now gone for the xbox 360 version after ign.com slammed the Playstation 3 version of Crysis 2............Thought better be safe than sorry and change this also just in case.

And the best news it has dedicated servers for all versions and not this P2P rubbish.

Edited by time2die (Fri 04-Mar-11 18:35:32)

Ordered mine already

And the best news it has dedicated servers for all versions and not this P2P rubbish.

Hi guys

Always been a console gamer and envied pc guys on dedicated servers.

But question. Will dedicated servers make it difficult to play with a friend if his connection isn't as quick as the sever you join?

Cheers

Makes no difference and you can easily join your friends in game with invites and even game invites to the game you are playing.

Providing there is enough allocated slots left on the server,biggest difference is they run a lot smoother and faster without the Lag associated with P2P gaming and that particular persons connection needs to be pretty stable.

Another thing is that we don't have the problem of the game resetting when the local host quits the game which happens quite often in COD games.

Playing on dedicated Killzone 3 servers at the moment and apart from some delay in joining games that needs to be put right its great when in game.

Don't know why Guerrilla have not sorted out the server side problems with this game by now after all the closed beta testing.

Killzone 2 never experienced problems like this so 3 years later we should not get these flaws with the dedicated server issues.

Sorry mrnelster i just read your post again and the only difference that i can see regarding your friends connection not been as good as you say is the fact that his lag will be greater than others with better connections.

What console are you intending on getting Homefront for anyway ?

Edited by time2die (Sat 05-Mar-11 14:03:14)

What console are you intending on getting Homefront for anyway ?

PS3!

Hopefully any problems will get sorted though.

So with dedicated servers it will come down simply to latency? I had been told by pc gamers in the past that you chose servers with similar latency to your own connection, but I guess there won't be a choice of server on the PS3?

I loved the look of killzone2 but couldn't play it online. Almost impossible to kill anyone with my connection. That's why I haven't bothered with kz3 . Hoping to get FTTC in the next few weeks and that could then be a different story! That's why I wondered about playing on a server with my mates who will still be on [censored] lines probably.

I've also looked at BF3 today and that looks like it kill off COD permanently! Probably go for homefront in the meantime though, as black ops lag is driving me mental.

The P3 version of Black ops is pants mate and i changed mine to a 360 version that runs ultra smooth,my mate has a cable 20 meg connection and he has had major problems playing that game with terrible lag and a host of other things.

I have heard in the past that you dont need to have download speeds that great to have decent online gaming,on many occasions when i have lived in rural houses i was lucky to get 1 meg but my gaming nights were brilliant even though my connection was only 1 meg at a push.

Besides all that a dont play Black ops anymore and my time is spent now with Killzone 3 which i love,Battlefield 3 looks awesome but its such a long way of and it will be winter before we get our hands on that.

With dedicated servers its whats your ping to a static server not to another player, the only issue you will have to worry about when playing with a friend is if the server fills up.

Consoles will probably have a matchmaking lobby which will get rid of that though.

TBH i reckon homefront will be the same, frontlines (their previous game) was purely 360 focused the PC version was so dire it was worse than blackops on the PS3.

In reply to a post by mrnelster:

I've also looked at BF3 today and that looks like it kill off COD permanently! Probably go for homefront in the meantime though, as black ops lag is driving me mental.

I hope COD keeps on being peoples choice so that all the brats stay there and leave us alone

I was not conviced about this game myself Falcon up until i saw the last multiplayer trailer which was released just a few days ago.

Have not looked into what the developers have done before but that Frontlines was not a good game and its something i never bought after seeing it in motion and reading the average game reviews.

Could go 2 ways here.............It will be really good or it will be another also ran and be in bargin bins really quick...............I hope its the former to be honest.

More of the former is always good as it drives more and more nails into the long over due coffin of CoD

Like the plot.

Cod Come November is going to have to be pretty dam good from the guys what are left of in Infinity Ward.

Battlefield 3 looks mighty special on the limited video and screenshots that have surfaced.

Infact i would take a gamble that Battlefields is going to be the new King of console FPS and take CODs Crown this time around.

Modern warfare was a great game on release lets not beat about the bush here,but on the Playstation at least its been totally ruined by hackers and only next week after nearly 18 months are IW addressing the problem for Playstation gamers.

They have done themselves absolutly no favours with the console crowd and i fear that many thousands of gamers will boycott there future products unless they are mind blowing games.

Modern warfare was a great game on release lets not beat about the bush here,but on the Playstation at least its been totally ruined by hackers and only next week after nearly 18 months are IW addressing the problem for Playstation gamers.

They have done themselves absolutly no favours with the console crowd and i fear that many thousands of gamers will boycott there future products unless they are mind blowing games.

Totally agree T2D. COD4 Modern Warfare is a superb game. Pity that all the new COD incarnations got taken over by the money men!

There are many other great games out there but to me it's the control system that made COD so successful. The speed and weight of control are excellent. Whenever I play other games, no matter how much I enjoy them, returning to COD felt easy and like coming home!

I loved Killzone 2 and thought the controls were extremely realistic. In MP however that isn't what you want. And it compounds the horrible feeling of lag when it occurs.


Many of us loved the modern contemporary weapons, but I believe that if KZ, BFBC etc. had the same responsiveness of control then COD would not be as successful as it is today. Killzone is amazing to look at and will take a lot of beating from a console standpoint.

PC games played with a mouse can obviously deliver the fastest and most responsive controls. No doubt about that. But for people that can't find the time/funds to make the most of that platform, it's about making the best of a joypad.



From a console gamers point of view, it's the weighting and responsiveness of the control system that makes it so great to play. It's just a pity that that pick up and play very quickly format attracts all the lager lout gamers aswell.

Any thoughts?

Must admit after watching a few vids now I'm not sure I am going to like this :/
I prefer BFBC2 because of it's slower pace away from the spawn die of COD but homefront looks like it might just be another spawn die frag contest

I watched a video from the creators that say your spawn location changes and your constantly moving around the map, angles change and things look different so i guess the maps are gonna be pretty big. Maybe MAG style.

Thats why i was concerned Swanny and after i watched the single player video the game does not look half as good as the multiplayer.

Game ships in 2 weeks so it will be a nice surprise or a dent in the wallet ?

Just a note to PC players thinking of grabbing this on steam and wondering why it isn't listed yet, it is actually listed with a preorder bonus of metro and some tf2 items however you can't order it because apparently uk retail stores have a week exclusivity or something stupid like that.

When the game properly launches those bonuses will probably be gone, so if you want them you might want to find an american to preorder from then get ready to wait an extra week.

Pretty stupid considering the game uses steamworks protection :|

I'll think you'll find, some developers love to talk mince about their own games. Particularly team/project leaders.

Most likely they will have spawn zones, which pretty much are the same as spawn points, just a little less predictable, if done right, but spawn points can easily compensate by just adding more.

Remember Quake Wars?
Or even rush mode in BC2?

Or perhaps their last game Frontlines?
New game, same old play mode.

I think I'll hold off playing this and see how it does in 3 months time.

An onine mate of mine in America has been playing it, he said it's [censored] dont waste your money

To late my pre/order is in the post and the fact that's its not that good does not surprise me as i mentioned in your first thread about Homefront.

Reviews of the game are all over the place from really good to really bad,i will test it Thursday straight away on the multiplayer and if it turns out as bad as most reviews then it will get quickly traded the following week.

Looks like another all Hype no Substance type of game but what do we really expect from the developers of a previous mediocre game.[Frontlines]



Crysis 2 for the following weeks looks like it has everything,it has a soliid single player game,plenty of online maps and the graphics look really cool.

THIS VIDEO SAYS IT ALL

Edited by time2die (Wed 16-Mar-11 09:40:31)

Well Swanny i am sending you my Bill for taking your advice about this game,just out of interest Swanny have you pre/ordered the game or have you escaped by the skin of your teeth and been well warned.

I'm only going by what one person said. He compared it to MAG
My mate put down a deposit with game for me but he knows the bloke there so should be no problem.

And MAG in my case quickly got traded even though many people liked it.

Well at least ZAVI LIKED IT But then again who cares about Zavi for expert reviews.

Edited by time2die (Wed 16-Mar-11 16:26:41)

http://www.joystiq.com/2011/03/15/thq-stock-drops-25...

Yup, it must be realllly special

Doesn't look too bad.
Just depends on whether there is more than that to keep you coming back

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tXARH1CYHo&feature=c...

Well i have played about 1 hour of single player and the same for the multiplayer and my first thoughts are these.

Single player graphically looks like a playstation 2 game but does not seem as bad as reviewers are making out,the hit detection was spot on and i did not find myself wanting to turn it of with utter frustration.

Multiplayer...

Now this seems like another ball game and i found this really quite exciting apart from the fact i am on the lower end of the rank scale,seems like some [must be Americans] are already ranked upto the top tear as many were in the 30s.

Dont think it could keep me playing for months but i think there is a decent multiplayer game here apart from some not to clever graphics,will test it out online a lot more later tonight .

Just checked out your vid Gzero and unfortunatly i did not have the Rank or the battle points to get hold of the Apache gunship which produced a fair bit of destruction and looked well cool

Might think its even better or i may change my mind and say its a lot worse than my initial first thoughts.

Its actually quite enjoyable the battle mode that i actually played called Ground control i think,weapons dont look that good but when you aim at someone it does the job when opening fire.

Think there are server issues though as it took a little time connecting and there are messages from the developers saying they are adding more.

Not sure if i was playing American based servers as my ping with quite a few others was not that good looking at the little bar on the right hand side of the menu screens in the lobby.

Edited by time2die (Thu 17-Mar-11 18:02:33)

Did you get it a day early through pre order? Just downloading crysis 2 mp demo from the playstation store. Three and a half hours to download. Poxy connection. My mate just did it in 20 mins on his 16Mbps.

Doh!

Yeah i always get my games on pre/order a day or two early,been playing the multiplayer tonight and i have to say its a great game.

Its very fast paced and you die pretty quick if your reactions are not to good,normal problems associated with this type of game are RANK .......if you have just started playing expect to get owned by the higher Ranks that frequent what must be American servers.................Well those squealing kids sounded just like Americans to me[god i hate consoles and the immature crowd that use headsets]

The games Multiplayer is sweet and its well worth the money and there are quite a few modes that open up after you start ranking up.

Think after tonight there are 6 online modes to choose from after starting with just 3.

Now mrnelster lets talk Crysis 2..........As you probably already know this demo first came out on the 360 6 weeks ago.

As you also probably know i have all the consoles so its time to make my mind up at to what to get it on......................On the pre/order of this game my first thoughts were Playstation 3,then i cancelled and got 360 then back again and so on and so on.

There is not a day goes by when i don't hear or read bad things said about the way Crysis 2 performs on the Playstation compared to the 360...........Lets keep the pc version out of this as we all know it looks the best.

Ign.com have basically said the Playstation 3 version is so inferior to the 360,Graphics not on par,very blurry.frame-rate issues,your typical problem that has been associated with Multiplatform games by thrid party developers.

This has been going on for many years and its clear that when it comes to multi platform games then the 360 wins hands down nearly all of the time.

My mates have Playstation 3 and refuse to pay for xbox live so its a dilema on what should i do..............I so much wanted the Playstation version for many reasons but the sad fact is most gaming sites are telling us its inferior.

Apart from the Crytek developers that are saying there is no difference,that's after lens of truth showed them side by side and the xbox looked miles better than the playstation 3 and i'm Mr Magoo.

So hopefully early next week when the reviews start coming in i will make a rapid decision on the pre/order.............Got until Tuesday i guess to swap once again to another system................Shopto.net must think i'm going round the bend as i have changed this order at least 10 times in the past 4 weeks.

Edited by time2die (Fri 18-Mar-11 08:56:42)

In reply to a post by mrnelster:

Did you get it a day early through pre order? Just downloading crysis 2 mp demo from the playstation store. Three and a half hours to download. Poxy connection. My mate just did it in 20 mins on his 16Mbps.

Doh!

When do you hope to get a better connection then as it sounds like you are on a wireless connection,thats how long it used to take me untill i invested in some Homeplugs.

Now something like that is around the same time if not quicker,be interested to see what you have to say about the Playstation demo of Crysis 2.

I downloaded it earlier and nobody could connect because of server side issues.

You know there�s something wrong with video game journalism when�

Games are weirdly scored. 75% average is considered a poor score, usually one to avoid? A game needs to hit mid 90s to be a no-brainer for buying provided you like the genre.

My long boring ill informed rant follows below... (text needs to be selected to be read clearly. Kept it white to keep the place looking tidy!).

In a nutshell, I reckon the guy writing from techspotlight in the link above might have a point. Anybody else?

Edit. Seems metacritic scores are fluctuating (makes sense really as not all reviews are in) and anyway, another article on the same theme here.

It's getting a little to be the same way in education these days I hear. An A or a 'First' in the old days required 70% or higher. Something just about satisfactory that would get you passed would require at least 40%. 50% would be nothing to shout about whilst 60% plus meant your work was just about worth reading and could be considered quite good. Now things are changing? The boundaries are shifting so higher marks are being awarded and of course the distinction is a good piece of work then must equate to a higher percentage mark - more like 80s and 90s even.

The movie review industry works more like the academic ratings we are all more used to. The game industry stands alone in awarding near perfect scores that result in muddying the waters for those of us who really want to know if a game is still worth getting despite being critically trashed somewhat and only being awarded 76%.

For a company to lose such a large chunk of value on the basis of only scoring 76% is weird and stranger still, as people are suggesting it's the lack of critical acclaim rather than lack of sales from total and projected sales based on pre-orders and the first few days trading.

HomeFront might yet turn out to be an all right game if T2D's latest comments are anything to go by and without even taking into consideration of whether or not the game can be expected to get proper support so it gets better in future. People might yet buy it? It might've become a better title but now THQ's board of directors are bound to be fretting somewhat and thinking of pushing the red 'trash it' and cut all losses button to minimise additional losses.

What the guy writing the short article seems to be saying (linked above) is a game can fail based on early negative and misinformed press views. Games sites rush to form opinions of a game on the barest minimum of hands-on experience and may not often offer fair treatment.

I know many gamers like T2D is a great believer in letting the people (gamers in this case) speak with their wallets and voice their own opinions through actually playing the game themselves and this way we all get a more informed viewpoint. I don't read a lot of games reviews so can't say if the article has much point to it but it's an interesting proposition.

A lot of games (particularly multiplayer) seem to require a fair bit of patching before they are balanced and the main bugs are dealt with so I wonder if after this share value wake up call the likes of EA and Activision et al will finally see it isn't acceptable to just rush a half finished game out to meet release deadlines if it means half their share value is wiped out as a result of putting out anything less than a stellar product.

Well, looking at DICE/EA's partnership and apparent lack of commitment to providing support for the Battlefield franchise over the years you can be forgiven for thinking all they care about is money anyway so perhaps not.

Hopefully we'll see more complete games come to market without the requirements for many of the torturous patching regimes normally necessary just to get a game working properly. Unlikely though.

Edited by deleted (Fri 18-Mar-11 03:49:51)

Review scores are an issue yes, i dislike the era 90/10A++++++++++MUSTBUYGOTYOHLOOKITSACTIVISION reviews, but this is the same era of dodgy review tactics like paid reviews, reviewers receiving incentives and such, reviewer "group thought" where reviewers will discuss the game decide what score it should have before playing it THEN write it up and score it around what they decided, or as whats done the round recently is where devs themselves are padding metacritic scores.

Metacritic is a concept that started good and is now being used as judge and jury, studios can die cause of it.

I don't think this is all on reviews though, i think its on the hype games get (too much in the majority of cases). Obviously if you big things up all over the place and it comes back it isn't that good then it is going to have quite a drastic effect. Also i put it on games these days costing too much to develop, companies have teams of 100's of staff to make a game pop out asap.

T2D might be right that it is an alright game, but to me homefront has several signs it wouldn't do too good, i was going to summarise what made me feel that way but it was just too awkward to put down. I'll just do it by category, if you want elaboration ask for it and ill try and explain how.
1)developer
2)publisher
3)marketing/hype
4)Media put out
5)media reactions
6)what others say (none media prior to release)

Pretty much these reasons build a "house" in my mind on what the game is going to be like, the more that comes out the more the house gets built from the blueprint stage right up to the final product.

When media reports (and reports from else where) come in saying the game is rather lacking then that just makes me back off more, I don't want another CoD multiplayer because thats something im starting to detest, it attracts the wrong breed of people (the type we all loath and detest regularly here) and with its single player campaign being very short its a deal killer for me. Sure if the multiplayer is stellar ill buy it, if its on crazy sale, i'll buy it, etc.But those will have to come from friends, not only friends i speak to, friends who i play and hold their opinion with enough warrant to purchase the game to play with.

But up to release i never saw anything other than the story that would lure me in, to then find that the story is shorter than the majority of other games that pretty much executes it, to find out that the nice preorder bonuses (some tf2 stuff (meh) and metro 2033) on steam aren't available in the UK either, thats it, game over, THQ put themselves out of a sale.

As much as homefront is quoted what about dragon age 2? here we have a game that reviewers are holding in the 80-90 marks, yet for the majority if you really got into the first one is pants in comparison due to the way its dumbed down. I'm sure if you were primarily a console player you might not agree with my thoughts on this. But either way what happened afterwards should raise an eyebrow with any gamer.

Personally I think the whole "vote with your wallet" thing is catch 22, especially with regards to reviews, you ignore the reviews, buy the game, its [censored] then you are out of pocket, what do you do with it next? in most peoples cases its preown it, IMO this is a waste, sure you get SOME of your cash back but you are just putting a game back out there which is going to be marked up by a considerable amount, not to mention the publisher HAS your money from when you bought it, so you have just helped CoD10: modern ops earn its place as a "great" game and reaffirm its apparently 100% game, even if its true score is around 50% and the second you bought it you preowned it. The way to do it would be to wait and buy it preowned or bargain bin, that way the publisher gets little from it. Of course the catch 22 comes with what if it was a solid game?

Also theres the point that even if you do or don't buy it, whos to say the rest of the population won't/will? CoD gets voted for BAFTAs and GOTYs all over, if we are the ones sitting here saying these games are getting weaker and weaker whos voting for them? Theyre scoring millions of votes.

Ultimately regardless of review scores there ARE good games out there, but i dont think theyre lying with the big bucks so called AAA titles for the majority. Regardless of review scores I think homefront was pimped as something it wasn't ready for as a result the house of cards came down on it. I dont think its particularly right THQ are stepping in and throwing a tantrum over retailers discount it either, regardless of how good/bad the game is.

Edited by deleted (Fri 18-Mar-11 06:10:53)

To be honest Spook Homefront is a good game and the only thing wrong with it by today's standards it don't have next generation graphics.

I say now this game will not disappoint even after reading some really negative reviews,after spending a couple of hours with the multiplayer last night its hard to believe this game has scored as low as it has.

I will say that most slammed the single player part of the game and Multiplayer got much better reviews.

Nice Post Spook and well put over and even though i am one of those people that gets put of my lower than expected game scores i was intrigued to plaay the multiplaayer because of what i saw it looked good.

I dont regret buying it as Multiplayer is a lot of fun and it has some really cool Music as the game hangs in the lobby.

Graphically i would compare it to Stalker on a low end pc and that metro game that also bombed.

Edited by time2die (Fri 18-Mar-11 08:32:13)

Informative as ever Falcon and a great read yet once again,i have said what i think regarding Homefront and your points are most valid and i agree with what you say.

Most times i would have listened to reviews and not got this game but Homefront looked good in the multiplayer videos that i watched and thought i would take the gamble and its worth the money.

I love a solid single player game and most times i finish the single player part before i touch the online part,sadly in this case i have only played 1 hour of the single player which by all accounts is not as bad a the reviews have said.

For me Multiplayer is where it had potential and since that is what i spend most of my time playing i had to give this a chance,if it had turned out [censored] then i would have lost a tenner and traded it the following week.

Unfortunately that is the way of the world but if you have just spent good money on a Gaming Disaster then for gamers everywhere trading is a good thing.

Who wants to be lumbered with a game they just spent £40 on or go through the trouble of trying to sell it on ebay for peanuts.

Nothing excites me more than a new game arriving from Mr postman,it helps though that the game in question [Hype or No hype] delivers.

The gaming public have to have something to go on so we have to listen to the media [right or wrong] we watch the videos ,we read the preview,and we get caught up in the hype built up around a certain game.

We want that game to be special,we want that level of realism,we want it to knock the spots of the previous COD games.

Nobody was more concerned about Homefront than me,even when Swanny posted how he was looking forward to the game in one of the first threads i said it was totally uninteresting to me.

Based on single player videos of this game i would not have even bought it for £10 in a bargin bin that's how unimpressive it looked to me ,but after many studies of the online component it looked a different game and looked like it had a lot of potential.

This is how it has turned out and i had quite a few hours of fun with the online component of the game,even the single player is better than even i expected.

I was reading something where someone was saying 75% isn't bad but the reply was that we live in a 70-100 world. Given the cost of games and the amount of time people can devote to playing them anything outside that category are well and truly dead in the water - but 75 is at the low end of the 70-100 scale and if there are other titles all clamouring for your (limited) attention and money then 75% isn't going to cut it.

Might as well just rate games from 1 to 30

In reply to a post by time2die:

When do you hope to get a better connection then as it sounds like you are on a wireless connection,thats how long it used to take me untill i invested in some Homeplugs.

I want to get rid of the wi-fi in my house so I need homeplugs. Which did you get??

To me i only use THESE then depending on what consoles you have downstairs it might be wise to get one of THESE

Best £70 i ever spent and my downloads speeds are fantastic and far better than the wireless conection.

Thanks for the links
My router is upstairs with my PC and downstairs is my PS3 and a Laptop
I'm guessing I need 3 home plugs?? PS3 and laptop are at different ends of the room.
I'm with virgin

I guess so but there has to be the really low scale for the occasional really utterly terrible score. I wonder if there is anywhere you can see game ratings for a particular year in a nice graph.

My router is upstairs in the office also which is a netgear as for some unknown reason i like Netgear stuff.

I have a Homeplug in the office upstairs and this conects to the router through Ethernet connection [comes with Homeplug] I then have the other Homeplug downstairs in main plug socket behind television.

I then have this linked into the Ethernet switch which allows you to then add up to 4 other things using just the 2 homeplugs.

You could use just the 2 and keep disconnecting the playstation 3 and talking the Homeplug over to where your laptop is if you dont mind doing this ?

I have the xbox 360 and the Playstation 3 linked through ethernet cables into the Ethernet switch with the option of adding anything else such as a laptop if required.

If your happy with connecting your laptop by your playstation then all is fine and dandy,if not your going to need 4 Homeplugs.

Please remember that Homeplugs need to go direct into the electricity supply for them to work correctly [So you need Plug sockets] they do not work through extension cables and are not recommended .

Tell you Swanny for getting a Adsl connection to anywhere in the house they are brilliant.

Edited by time2die (Fri 18-Mar-11 11:41:02)

Best way is to use the homeplugs is to bridge the gap then distribute with a router.

Ie internet -> modem+router -> homeplug -> gap -> homeplug -> secondary router (no functions at all turned on) -> Pc's/devices via ethernet or wireless.

Remember that adding more homeplugs does reduce the share of available bandwidth so it's better to choke it all down one pipe to get the maximum (speed - quoting Crysis sound here ) bandwidth.

Thanks T2D and Gzero

I have a problem.
I have two ring mains, one is the upstairs and strangely the socket halfway along my living room that the laptop is plugged into, but the socket the PS3 is plugged into is on the other ring main.

I suppose I could get a couple of long Ethernet cables for the PS and laptop and just switch them over when I need to....
So this could be the best way as I would only need two homeplugs
These are cheap will they do??

Gzero I don't understand what you mean by the gap???

Edited by deleted (Fri 18-Mar-11 17:18:23)

They could just say "Scores below 1 so don't bother"

No don't buy those!
http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/netgear-200mbps-powe...

200mbps for only £50 unless you live in NI.

The gap would be the difference in floors, or the next room or whatever, in other words, the area that your modem+router can't reach normally.

Personally i would stick with netgear and the ones Gzero pointed out,at the end of the day they will pay for themselves in no time and once you use these there is no going back to wireless.

Edited by time2die (Fri 18-Mar-11 18:11:17)

Saw these in the ebuyer news letter, http://www.ebuyer.com/product/148647 with promo code power1

takes them to 49.99 can't comment on reliability or how they are etc, just saw em going cheap.

@ Lt Swan

I'm a fully registered electrical contractor.

They should work across any circuits in the property, using your consumer unit (fusebox) as the bridge between the circuits.

I am planning to use some next week to send 8 number video camera feeds from a first floor recording and control unit to a ground floor monitor/mouse/keyboard set up.

Try Maplins website and they will give you online answers to any application/setup questions you may have.

HomeFront to Homeplugs? Nicely done.

Alternatively, you can get something like this.

The Devolo dLAN 200 has built in wireless so you don't need to hook everything up individually by ethernet cables after.

75-100 world. That makes sense and is much clearer than what I was trying to say.

Cheers.

I wonder how game ratings has changed over the years? It'd be interesting to see if there was an upward trend of higher marks being awarded over time. Maybe even see if certain publications had increased their average ratings?

T2D is right. Very informative post FireFalcon. We are all agreed I think.

Well, my own strategy is to wait for games to go down in price to what I consider an acceptable amount to pay depending on the title and on how much gameplay I'd get so I guess we're all much like that except for good old T2D who will buy any old rubbish then quickly flog it if he doesn't like it.

Just kiddin' T2D!

When do you hope to get a better connection then as it sounds like you are on a wireless connection,thats how long it used to take me untill i invested in some Homeplugs.

In the next 4-6 weeks if it isn't delayed any further

No it's the same either way, hardly any better using wired.

Just a very long line and overcrowded exchange! Home plug type units are great though. Seen them used for non wifi enabled gear such as video monitors. Gonna try that myself on a job in a couple of weeks time.

Crysis demo still downloading after 3.5 hours. Just bought homefront for ps3 so gonna give it a whirl tonight! I'm glad you like it. Nice to have a properly unbiased opinion on games that don't get the "unbiased" reviews. Shame that the 138MB update has been going for 45 mins. Doh!

Roll on fibre. Been quoted 35down and more importantly 10up!
Can't come soon enough for me.

Edited by mrnelster (Fri 18-Mar-11 19:31:21)

What you gonna do with all the bandwidth when you get it then? Throw a party?

35 down and 10 up seems a heck of a lot. I wouldn't know what to do with it myself tbh. I used to have 2 megs up on my old BE profile (annex m) but now just use their cheaper unlimited package as I never got round to hosting any games or anything that would use the faster upload speed.

I don't torrent at all and reckon the overall amount I download each month is going to be well under my old more active average of 30GBs or so. Hmm....

Anyway, 10 megs up and 35 down sounds terrific all the same. Let us know how it goes but don't make us too jealous!

Oh yeah, I remember your primary concern might've been latency so let us know how low you can go with your ping. Hope it resolves it all for you - it's a long time suffering and I know how it feels to have a ropey internet service from poor providers.

The update is only on the playstation version,something to do with problem with servers,funny they released the long awaited Crysis 2 demo only on Wednesday and majority could not connect to the servers on that game.

Bad news mrnelster...............after only 2 days EA have pulled the demo from the store because of the server issues claiming they know what is wrong and they will have it sorted for the retail release of the game next week.

The more i hear about xbox 360 v Playstation and Crysis 2 the more i am tempted to go with the 360 version once and for all,especially now with these server problems.

As for Homefront mate i am sure you will find a lot of fun online as there is much to like and admire about the game from what i have played online [Rank 11] it should not have recieved such low scores as this mode is really quite good.

Edited by time2die (Fri 18-Mar-11 20:14:40)

Been the avid gamer you sound i bet Christmas will have come early once they sort out your connection,sounds like you will be going from someone with basically dial up speed to one of the fastest around ...............Just like that .

You know whats really strange though,11 years ago to the day virtually i was playing my sega dreamcast and Quake 3 arena on a 28k modem [dial up] and i can not really recall any lag issues...

Was only 4v4 but what a lot of fun at the time and online gaming on consoles was not how it is today.

In reply to a post by SPOOKish:

HomeFront to Homeplugs? Nicely done.

Alternatively, you can get something like this.

The Devolo dLAN 200 has built in wireless so you don't need to hook everything up individually by ethernet cables after.

Yeah i though that also Spook

You know me very well Spook and basically i can not disagree with your statement as basically its true .

I do know a turkey when i see one though ,but i have made quite a few mistakes in the past with games i have not taken to.

Bought GT5 because its Gran turismo [But i hate driving games] apart from Burnout

Bought a lot of rpg but i get bored,Mass effect 1 and 2 are brilliant but i just get bored with them to quickly.

It has to be mighty special for me to persevere with a game and finish it,most likely to do with i buy to many as the temptation to a new game is like a drug.

Even considering one of those new Nintendo 3DS even though my eyes don't seem much better than Mr Magoo.

Bought the original Nintendo ds and every upgrade thereafter but hardly play them.

Its a gaming gadget and i love gadgets especially Game related.

Where else we going to get the inside facts from if you don't buy everything?

It's a better attitude, if you like gaming, to try something out than just sit back and complain about something being too expensive or a not worth the gamble (er, like me!).

Just listening to Chuck Berry on Spotify. What a great artist he was. Anyway, er, where were we? Ah yes, you're gonna get the new nintendo 3D DS thing then? Heard good things about it. What you reckon to the Sony NGP? Looks sexy to me.

Edited by deleted (Fri 18-Mar-11 22:52:32)

Yeah T2D will be getting the new Sony Machine also............What did you expect............Saying that the PS GO was not that hot Spook to be honest and i got £60 trade in against the new 3DS.

Thanks but I'm also trying to get rid of Wi-Fi from the house

In reply to a post by Lt_Swan:

Thanks but I'm also trying to get rid of Wi-Fi from the house

No problem. Might I ask why you don't want WiFi at all? I know it's ropey at best hence the homeplug/wifi solution seemed like a possible cure whilst retaining ease of use.

Well, as ever we'll have to await with expectation your views on the latest and greatest gaming hardware then.

I do like the look of the Sony and have never really been a mobile gamer but have been using an Android phone with a few little games and they seem to have come a long way.

The unique touchpad thing on the Sony NGP sounds intriguing, like it could really make a difference. Guess that's been said before though. Still don't like touchscreens as game control method. We'll have to wait and see.

its just another gadget Spook and if you have owned a Nintendo ds in the past then i dont see that much of a change.

Biggest thing its suppose to do is create a 3d image without glasses,it also has a docking station for charging rather than a plug [Big Deal] Comes in a lot of colours [Just two Black or Aqua Blue] and has some of the worse choice of software line up i have ever seen.

Out of the 13 games there is not one i really fancy,In all honesty i only like these small portable gaming devices for puzzle type games.

Thanks SPOOK/T2D

I'm certainly not an expert, but I think the speed issue is due to max dsl and dynamic line management etc etc. My standard connection is rated as 512k fixed.

But with these systems in place it reaches 1.5 ish. Trouble is it's like a yo yo. And I believe when it yo yo's is when the delays happen. I think it would have been better on a fixed speed, but they were reluctant to do that and I couldn't take anymore arguing with tech support and gave up

The up to 10 meg up is going to be great because i have a wife and three young daughters who have all started to get addicted to Facebook and club penguin etc! When one of them is emailing now, I can't even sign in to the PSN. As they get older it will be harder to kick them offline when I want to game in the evenings! With 10meg up that should never be an issue.

T2D..... Couldn't agree more with anything you have said about Homefront......
Single player looks PS2ish at times. Mechanics are fine(hit detection etc) but the AI is terrible, I'm fed up with pressing square to climb ladders, go through door, jump in hole, etc etc!!

But multiplayer is excellent fun. Graphics are lacking sure, but gameplay and maps are well thought out. My line has made it pretty awful for one on one battles but generally not as terrible as COD etc when you get a reasonable connection. That said though at times getting that connection has been a problem. As you pointed out, the dedicated server issue should be the way forward so let's hope they get that sorted.

Overall I really like the MP part of the title but won't bother finishing the campaign.
Maybe if they get the servers sorted and the MP is heavily adopted by people, thre could be a much more polished sequel? We can dream I suppose!

As for Crysis, don't get me started. Over 3.5 hours to download and then I couldn't even try it!
Sounds like the ps3 criticism may have been correct.

Thanks for sharing your comments on HomeFront mrnelster. Looks like you and T2D are seeing the same thing.

Playing Frontlines:Fuel of War beta and then somewhat regretfully buying the game later on as I never played it much is my closest experience. There was promise but they were some way behind my favourite game, BF2.

The beta was buggy as hell as I recall and things were far from being smoothed out on release. Kind of puts you off buying games like that if it takes 6 months just to make the game playable.

With 4 women to contend with all using the internet at the same time you want to play a game online it looks like you will definitely be needing the added bandwidth then. I like your forward planning mate! Nicely done.

Don't know if you have both a Playstation and a xbox 360 like me but from what i am reading the Playstation version is suffering once again on the multiplatform front.

In house developers and coders produce outstanding games graphically but any third party multi format games get the shoddy treatment on the Playstation 3 for some unknown reason.

I so much want this on the Playstation 3 as i like the lighter controller and i have more mates on the network,but when you read constant reports of server issues,and the fact that the majority of gaming websites have slatted the Playstation 3 version against the 360 then i have to sit up and take notice.

Still on my pre/order as a playstation game but i am hoping before tuesday when we get some clear cut reviews and performance related news.

That way i will be able to cancel and swap pre/order if things turn out as i expect[hoping I'm wrong] Wednesday morning is the time they normally ship my games.

Could not play Homefront last night on the 360 [server issues] but when i do play it i really enjoy it and i am glad you see it as i do.

Kind of think i will not bother with the single player either as the best part is the multiplayer and to me this seems like a different game.

Normally its the single player thats solid and the multiplayer is tacked on and pretty rubbish..............ie Dead Space 2 springs to mind.

Edited by time2die (Sat 19-Mar-11 17:42:00)

To me Homefront looks like that Metro game from about 18 months ago and also Stalker.............God was that game hyped to death and i thought it was utter pants when i got it loaded on my pc.

Urm why confuse things with a secondary router (even with functions turned off), just buy a simple ethernet switch cheaper, less power and nothing to setup.

In reply to a post by SPOOKish:

In reply to a post by Lt_Swan:

Thanks but I'm also trying to get rid of Wi-Fi from the house

No problem. Might I ask why you don't want WiFi at all? I know it's ropey at best hence the homeplug/wifi solution seemed like a possible cure whilst retaining ease of use.

Apart from the speed boost I'm also trying to get away from the radiation side of things.
I know it's a tiny amount but it all adds up

Wasn't referring to explicitly a router, like you say, switch is better, however, was just making it clear that *anything* router ish (in case he had a spare floating around).


Ok maybe not floating, they don't do that in my house.

Would love to see that go down well with the neighbours and every Mobile operator in your area. Oh and any military or police forces using that spectrum.

In reply to a post by Gzero:

Ok maybe not floating, they don't do that in my house.

Does flying through the air and hitting the ground, hard, count? I've dropped my router more times than I should (well, tripped on the damn ethernet cable). All the more reason to go wireless if you're like me.

I'm usually neat and tidy, so most of my cables are out of the way.

I don't like wireless, 11 channels and only space for 3 networks when your neighbours are convinced to get wireless n, causing all sorts of funky black spots and dropouts. Not nice when your playing a game dependent on stable ping.

Wireless great for browsing and some video stuff but no good for gaming as latency tends to wander around.

Ethernet cable is always the way to go, but homeplugs are a good fall back.

In places like the US suburbs the spread out nature of homes mean wifi congestion is less of an issue, in terraces and small uk streets you can pick far too many networks.