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Only a matter of time that the once mighty Battlefields 3 that we have all been drooling about got taken down and few pegs regarding the console port of this game.
Seems the technical limitations of the consoles and the fact that there is a fair bit going on has limited the frame rate to 30fps.............Unlike MW serious that runs at 60fps.........Seems MW3 is not all that bad after all now is it ?
I dare say some more secrets and negativity surrounding B3 and MW3 will be on the Internet as the weeks roll by and we get updated NEWS 
No 1080P resolution either as its going to run at a maxed out 720
Edited by time2die (Sun 19-Jun-11 01:00:37)
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3D spotting looks like it's still in the game from the gameplay vids last month.
Daft 1st person vaulting animation.
Silly pricing structures (on PC, f.e. Back to Karkand is zero day DLC for those that don't pre-order).
Still might only be 4 man squads. 8 teams of 4 running amok doesn't sound very tactical to me?
Need to see more before making my mind up, doubt there will be a demo (since 1942, DICE probably think they don't need em).
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3D Spotting isn't too much of an issue IMO, its more exaggerated on consoles for some odd reason, they cry wallhacks when they all have aim assist like aimbots.
The pricing structure will probably change for PC's it'll probably end up like BC2 was... or so i hope...
Squads should be back to BF2 levels we'll have to see...
What concerns me the most isn't any of that, it isn't the game play, its what EA is doing with origin.
They seem to be aggressively pushing it, so much so they did it with the crysis 2 DLC which is what made valve delist crysis 2, their prior agreement was to ship all DLC same time across all platforms, EA breached it with shipping the dlc on origin first. Theres the whole thing over bonuses and stuff too again all origin linked/based. If EA is going to stuff BF3 full of origin EA can stuff their ass full of it.
Consoles running games at 30fps wont really be noticeable TBH, its when that frame rate dips you notice it, if it can keep 30 consistent you wont notice. Plus anyway, what do you expect? this is an engine thats built around PC's, not around ancient consoles, the engine MW3 is using is ridiculously outdated. Also you would be shocked at the amount of games which arent 1080p native...
Regardless of even if BF3 is a let down, MW3 is still a steaming pile of casualised turdtastic trash full of kids who want to be pro with their aim assist and quick scoping and camping. Do not want.
Edited by deleted (Sun 19-Jun-11 06:49:25)
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So you wont be getting MW3 then Falcon
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bf3's biggest issue will be its awful community, its going to be mostly bc2 players who migrate over and you will end up with half a team going for a picnic on wookie hill (sniping) the other half tking each other in base for a tank/plane/helicopter and the odd guy who isnt a [censored] playing the game properly
the ridiculous destruction needs to be toned down as well but they wont because its frostbite and the selling point is turn a wall to dust by shooting 556 at it
imo bf3 is a perfect example of lazy development, there is zero innovation in the game, it doesn't have a single feature that wasnt in a previous battlefield title
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imo bf3 is a perfect example of lazy development, there is zero innovation in the game, it doesn't have a single feature that wasnt in a previous battlefield title
exactly the same could be said about COD titles and a whole host of other franchise games but why would a developer change the core mechanics of a successful game ?
Edit: do believe going prone , is a new feature but hardly a innovation .
Edited by deleted (Sun 19-Jun-11 10:11:02)
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My biggest issue has been for a while , that most of the footage shown has been PC generated , not wanting to be mugged , i have taken note and trying my best to talk my better half into a new family computer (translated as new gamer for me ) , as it seems by far the best platform to be plying BF3 .
Also a interview given by IW very own stealth clown , where he is banging on about not giving up the 60fps was a obvious directed towards the fact BF3 did not have 60fps .
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you could prone in bf1942 and all other battlefield games exept bc 1&2
mw3 isnt even developed by IW, raven are making the mp and an a new startup sledghammer games got stuck with the task of making the sp after most of IW staff quit.
Edited by deleted (Sun 19-Jun-11 12:04:50)
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Seems the technical limitations of the consoles and the fact that there is a fair bit going on has limited the frame rate to 30fps.............Unlike MW serious that runs at 60fps.........Seems MW3 is not all that bad after all now is it ?
The human can only see frames rates of 25fps
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thats not true at all, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frame_rate#Visible_fram... things like films being 24fps is just because that back when they started making movies it was cheper to use that format, avatar 2 will be shot at 60fps and probably shown in cinemas at that framerate as well as all it requires is a firmware update to the digital projectors the hobbit is also being filmed at either 48 or 60 fps
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thats not true at all, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frame_rate#Visible_fram... things like films being 24fps is just because that back when they started making movies it was cheper to use that format, avatar 2 will be shot at 60fps and probably shown in cinemas at that framerate as well as all it requires is a firmware update to the digital projectors the hobbit is also being filmed at either 48 or 60 fps
Also camera technology took electrical supply frequency into account to avoid flicker from studio lighting etc. 
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He might, if he breaks his hand? 
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Raven should go back to working on making classics like JK2.
Yes they seem to be going with the tried and tested mechanics of the battlefield, but at the same time, the all of the previous titles lack that certain polish to turn it into something completely immersing.
I know some of you love BF2 on here, but honestly go back and play it now! It really has turned into a rubbish game. Yes you get a great selection of vehicles and classes. However the animation (at a time when people were busy making great reskins for cs) and skins of your weaponry is atrocious giving inaccurate feedback. Bullets firing off on weird vectors.
Now onto the important part, the players are segmented across 2 games, special forces and normal bf2. Servers are usually just running a handful of maps. People are busy diving, or cheating.
The worse is, the queuing and griefing that goes on there, or those hotshots in the jets or helicopter that never go down because that is all they ever do, considering there are only 2 jets and 1 attack helicopter.
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No 1080P resolution either as its going to run at a maxed out 720
COD:BlOps runs at sub 720p on 360 (1040x608) and PS3 (960x544). MW3 isn't going to be any different. The Wii U version should be better, if it comes out.
PC is obviously the platform to experience it on but I'm with FireFalcon on Origin.
Edited by deleted (Sun 19-Jun-11 19:02:38)
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Only way im touching MW3 is for the story all 4hrs of it .
But yeah... If EA balls BF3 up i would quite happily live without both, enough indie games to keep me going .
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there`s always WoW
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No there isn't, no really there isn't, even the demon king admitted WoW has no place in hell. 
Come play CS 1.6
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Go buy monday night combat its only 2.50 http://store.steampowered.com/app/63200/
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Didn't like it when it was F2P weekend. Too casual a teamplay shooter for me, found it dull, the shooting mechanic turned me right off as you don't have to be accurate, just burst spam towards targets.
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3D spotting is vastly underused by most people. I love it
I hope the squad size does go back up - but I don't know how that would work if you can spawn on anyone - a 6 man squad might end up being too hard to take down...
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I used to play as special forces but kept getting kicked for going into the enemy bases.
As special forces it was my job to go there and blow up the radar etc :/
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MW3 is [censored] and has nothing going on thats why it runs at 60 fps, BF3 for consoles is limited to 30 fps so that Dice doesnt have to take anything out of the game.
At the end of the day BF3 = PC title its where it will be best.
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MW3 is [censored]
You know what happens when you assume? 
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Do you? [censored] could be an awful lot of words...
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So many COD haters .............I wonder why ?...........There is gaming after a PC so take it or leave it...............Consoles now rule the Gaming world and by far make the most money for developers and Publishers............FACT !!!
And when i say what i do please be aware that for many years i was a PC gamer myself but have moved on with the times....
Consoles are by far a lot more convenient and i don't have to be 18inch from a monitor................Yes PC on a graphical scale are well ahead but for me what they produce on consoles is all fine and dandy.
Edited by time2die (Tue 21-Jun-11 00:34:25)
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If its all fine and dandy what is the point of this topic saying 30fps and not looking as good is a bad thing in some peoples cases a game breaker
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If it turns out [censored] you will say "I told you so".
If it turns out ok you will say "I never said it would be [censored]".
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I never said it bothered me Mr Falcon as i am just quoting news links from other sources.
I will complain however if the game frame rate dropped to 5 to 10 fps within certain areas of the game if that happened.
Nothing worse than a great game with much going on with terrible slow down,funny enough the worse experience with this i have encountered was with Crysis on a Pc .
There are also some area of Crysis 2 on the Playstation 3 that have some really bad slow down .
Post was really to just add fuel to the fire regarding MW3 v B3 because there are quite a few on here that like to knock MW games or COD games generally even though those same people on here will be first in the queue to buy it
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I am most definitely not a COD hater and probably spend more time playing COD games competitively and for fun than your average Joe . And that's all titles from COD3 to the present day . Been playing with the same team since MW and we don't often come away with out a win .
Thing is you can not pretend that MW3 is being made by the same people as MW and MW2 , it might say IW on the box but we all know the core development team have left IW .
Once you get past the hype , you have to ask questions about what is going on with the multiplayer , who the [censored] are Beachhead and can they be trusted with this multi billion dollar franchise ? Well i don't trust them as i don't know who the [censored] they are .
And that's where i am , sitting on the fence and not getting sucked in by the hype , this COD as the potential to be the worst COD since COD3 , lets hope that is not the case .
As for frame rates , i agree about Crysis but that game looked stunning and im prepared to let a drop in frame rate happen now and again , as long as the game does not become unplayable .
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30 FPS wont make a blind bit of difference! Like someone above said, COD doesn't have much to run, Battlefield has so much more going on. You won't be able to tell that much, it will still look visually amazing, if COD looks SLIGHTLY better big deal, I would much rather have better gameplay over a few FPS. You need to take a step back and look at some of the things you say, half of it doesn't make sense and you repeat the same things like a parrot. The game is called BATTLEFIELD as well not BATTLEFIELDS.
I'm not a COD hater, I'm going to buy both, I just get infuriated when I see small minded gamers who only care about something looking slightly more pretty than the other. At the end of the day it's called a game and you play it, the main focus should be on the gameplay.
I'm going to stop coming on these forums, it's getting boring reading the same tripe in 4 different threads. It's a shame because some people on here have valid points and arguments but others just ramble about the same [censored].
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Bye Bye Jaxx your input will be hardly missed.............Picking up on small trivial things like its called Battlefield and not Battlefields Really is dragging the barrel.
For you it may not matter that BATTLEFIELD does not run at 60fps but for other it does [get the program] So when did you all of a sudden become some developer who knows what he is talking about.
You appear on here every month or so and usually make some sarcastic comment and write nothing of a constructive nature.
I generally post links about gamers and developers that have much more information about games than we do so i dont know where you get this Parrot thing as we all just generally reply to the different comments within the thread...
Go back to your dark hole jaxx281 as with your child minded comments you wont be missed on here...
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From what i have seen of both Battlefield and MW3 they both look stunning games and i can not really see either of them failing.
Im not worried about the fact that some of Infinity Ward are no longer on board,never heard of Beachhead myself and can only pass comments on the stuff that most of us have seen and and it looks pretty impressive in my eyes.
I would rather have this bunch of developers than Treyarch any day of the week
Edited by time2die (Tue 21-Jun-11 13:15:36)
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I'm going to stop coming on these forums, it's getting boring reading the same tripe in 4 different threads. It's a shame because some people on here have valid points and arguments but others just ramble about the same [censored].
Fair enough. You've probably got homework to do anyway.
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Oh that old chicken , Treyarch ! but as said im a codite i play online , i play through the campaign maybe twice but then clock up 10 days + playing the multi player .
And that's where you and i differ , as being honest you don't really do online or the community thing , so would not have a clue what Treyarch have and have not done , hence why the parting shot at Treyarch over a unknown developer " Beachhead " .
Black Ops has been the most polished COD online EVER on xbox , no elevators no out of maps no glitching , no 15 prestige lobby invites , in fact no nothing , as Treyarch have patched everything before anybody knew it was a problem .
So we are clear , that's what i expect from Beachhead , anything less , or a step back to past levels of support and online polish will be a massive disappointment and yes i most definitely am looking at IW past record . ( how long did it take them to patch the rock glitch ? )
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I love zombies so Treyarch do some things right. But the MP is not a patch on the IW titles. The visuals get better with each reincarnation, and I preferred the killstreak system in black ops to all the others. So in some ways it is very polished.
But the mechanics (on the PS3 at least) aren't anything as comfortable as the original MW. And that is not sour grapes, because I will buy every one. Treyarch included.
It's just for some reason the Treyarch titles never seem to run as smoothly, on the PS3 at least.
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Edit: Although that could be down to skimping on servers rather than the actual game itself.
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Edited by mrnelster (Wed 22-Jun-11 08:23:19)
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I do play them online mate and you do make some valid points just that my preference has always been for Infinity Ward and not Treyarch.
When MW1 came out i played it for a good year none stop,when World Of War got released i played it for a week and quickly traded the game as i hated everything about that particular game apart from the Zombie Mode.
Then same with MW2 until the hackers ruined the experience for the majority of P3 owners,Black Ops is well supported and its not a Bad Game and like mrnelster says Zombie mode is really good.
I can only Judge on what i have seen of MW3 so far and to me it looks right up my street,how the finished product will look and play like is a concern as you suggested but this time there is some massive competition and i doubt they will release a flawed product.
My biggest concern is will they support the game and stop the hackers and Glitches that will obviously become apparent over time...........This is IW biggest downfall and thats were Treyarch Shines.
Edited by time2die (Wed 22-Jun-11 09:09:55)
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Lol
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I also own a PS3 and know of what your talking about , hence why i always state i play the Xbox version of " Black Ops " .
Black Ops multiplayer is not a good port too the PS3 , im not 100% on the reasons why but im sure its a combination of things , put simply " it just does not run as well as it does on Xbox Live " and i agree this was not the case with the MW realises , or not as obvious as it is now .
Also not owning a gaming PC , i can only judge how the PC gaming community feel about Black Ops by what i have seen posted , Treyarch do not seemed to have given stellar support to that platform either but there is a but , MW2 was not received well by the PC gaming community due to the lack of dedicated servers .
So concede to negativity with regards any COD title and fully understand that the negativity is well founded .
On Xbox thou , Black Ops Multiplayer has been a revelation as stated , patched before i even knew there was a problem, and theatre mode has made it so easy to report cheats and Treyarch acting on those reports and resetting cheating player stats and Microsoft banning J-Tag consoles .
Its the most glitch free and anti Cheat version of any COD title ever but concede that my positive experience is platform specific .
I just want more of the same and not a step backwards with a unknown developer and a rushed to market product .
I feel out of Xbox and PS3 , PS3 will be the console to play BF3 but the PC will be king for the full on BF3 experience , a point that has not escaped me and that is in my opinion And by what i have posted it should be obvious which platform MW3 will be best on IMHO .
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When i bought Black Ops Last year i done something stupid as i have various mates who only have either a PlayStation 3 or 360 so i bought both versions.
Within a week the P3 version got traded and today i still have the xbox 360 version,i keep telling my mates that the xbox 360 version is far superior but they are out and out Sony People.
I had no problems with online play with Infinity wards Cod Games so i don't understand why the PlayStation version of Black ops Ran so bad on the network and only the last 3 months has it improved according to my mates.
When Both Battlefield and MW3 hit the streets i tend to agree that because of the previous PlayStation version of BO then the 360 is more than likely the safest bet for stability and the added fact it gets all the payed for download stuff a month before the Sony Platform.
But this is a Infinity Ward Product so it may run and play equally well and just needs the support quickly if things go wrong.
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When W@W came out after COD4 MW , we all felt that pain , nobody wanted to revisit WWII and its old bouncing about heavy recoil guns , we all hated it at first .
Then again some of us stuck with it and uncovered Treyarch innovations , where we first had the online stats which is the bases for the new Elite service .
No stop , W@W was not what we wanted and was why my gaming time was split between W@W and MW , something that has not happened between MW2 and black Ops .
I don't have fond memory's of MW2 multiplayer and don't often revisit it , i do how ever still play competitive CoOp mode in W@W , a forgotten mode . Also played Zombies on W@W up until Black Ops realise.
There is nothing in MW2 to make it worth a return for a xbox player , the CoOp offering was poor and short lived the multiplayer cheat and glitch infested and so unbalanced ( whoomp , there goes another noob tube ).
I don't want MW3 to be a failure and i do want BF3 to be a success on console as my getting a new gamer PC to play it on is " PIE IN THE SKY "
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I should have mentioned the co op in W@W as this was really quite a good product especially when you play along with 4 other players to see who can get the most points.
I don't know why i dislike the Treyarch games but to me they don't seem to have the great set pieces and realism that IW Cod games seem to have.
We all want awesome games with fantastic gameplay and online features so here is hoping that come wintertime we are all happy regardless of what our preferences are.
Somebody said there is not so much going on with MW3 as the scenes are pre/rendered and that's why it runs at 60fps............Who cares when it looks as good as the clips i have seen.
Jaxx got upset because people like myself you and mrnelster reply to each other threads and we say the same things quite a few times.I say Jaxx this is a gaming forum and without the likes of the regular posters on here there would be no gaming forum if the forums relied on people like you who seem to get of on picking up on trivial things and has not got a clue how to actually start a thread or decent topic of discussion.
Its not the first time Jaxx you have had a pop at someone for posting links and various gaming news just a tad sad that you need to do so.........
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People hold the problems MW2 had further on after its launch down to IW, sad fact is its activision who control it all, patches have to be paid for by the publisher, so if activsion are quite happy to let a company take bad rap then it'll happen. Given how the staff thing went down after MW2 its kinda no surprise the game went to the dogs. it served its time to make enough cash off dlc then left to rot.
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Point taken and I'm not going to disagree with you Falcon as much of it is more than likely the truth.
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