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Here is the reason why you should go hardened if you plan Picking up MW3 
Edited by time2die (Thu 15-Sep-11 01:03:00)
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"A NEW DLC MAP PACK EVERY MONTH for the next year"
DO NOT WANT !
3-4 DLCs a year is more than enough imo.
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Edited by epyon (Thu 15-Sep-11 01:52:15)
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I think your in the minority there as most would welcome new maps every month and other stuff,the point being really that if you were the one of many that buys all the map packs then it would cost you a fortune if you were going to pay for it all on a monthly basis.
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TBH thats ridiculous (what acti are doing)
A DLC pack per month at $15 a go? thats truly disgusting
Anyone who does that is an idiot through and through no offence to present company but thats disgusting.
People say paying for xbox live is bad enough, but with that at least i can see where the cash is going, its bringing me services like sky, its bringing me exclusives and dlc a head of others, its bringing a solid secure service one which is policed too.
But acti are expecting people to pay $50 a year for this elite rubbish just so they get the privilege of some gimmicky videos which would otherwise be on youtube, some stats and other tack, horrid.
See i'm all for packs which combine everything up and give you a discount, for example im strongly considering gears 3's "season pass", that gives me 5 unique weapon skins and 33% off each of the 4 first (out of probably 5 total) dlc plus access to them a head of time, i think it comes with another bit or two as well, that goes for £10-14, which is quite reasonable considering the map packs will go for about 800-1200-1600 per pack depending whats in them. This is on top of a game which is heavily stacked up already. MW3 on the other hand - same multi, same story (which will probably be 6hrs again why break the habbit of a lifetime), same specop nonsense.
Pretty much EVERY other FPS from a dev who cares about the community has most of what COD Elite does for free. BF/gears/halo/tf2/css/etc, all free, from some providing heat maps to indepth stat tracking to all sorts, ALL FREE.
The only other company to come close to this shenanigans is THQ with saints row 3 with 40 weeks of dlc or something but they havent announced if its free or what so ill hold judgement.
Everyone should watch this, especially people considering MW3 http://www.gametrailers.com/video/dlc-the-mega64/719525
Laugh it then realise you are laughing at yourselves because you buying into it is just saying its ok for them to keep doing it because tons of people will.
Truly disgusting.
On a further note if they adding "New maps" every month for DLC then its not only going to rip the community between the have and have nots it raises the question just when was this stuff developed and shouldnt it have been with the game to start, because tricks like this reaks cut content to intentionally flog as dlc
Edited by deleted (Thu 15-Sep-11 08:02:21)
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agree its only idiots who would buy this and they the pones who are the reason game companies like CoD think they can carry on ripping off the public.
Its people like the OP and there ilk are the reason people are getting [censored] & ripped off.]
well done guys!
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I completely agree with every point FireFalcon raised below, I will NOT be buying the hardened edition and I will NOT pay for new DLC every month. That will be like £5 - 10 a month on COD! It would be ok if you were a hardcore COD gamer as it's only the same as paying for a WOW subscription every month but I like to play a variety of games and getting 4 maps per DLC is just lame. I really hope this isn't where the games industry is going, I will have to find a new hobby if so, I love gaming but I won't pay through the nose for DLC on every game I buy.
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I agree and hate paying for download content but the point of the thread Falcon was anyone that was going to buy map packs that are released monthly and other content would save a absolute fortune if they went for the hardened edition of MW3 .
Doing the maths you are saving at least £100 plus and i love new maps and content and i am not going to be the one that can not play against my friends because they have the map packs and i don't.
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Thats all fine and dandy Jaxx if you stick to your principles and only buy a little content over the year,because once you buy more than 2 additional content downloaded you would have paid for the hardened edition in the first place and had a whopping year of content at no extra cost.
Im with you and Falcon on this one and i am not promoting what Activision and others are doing just trying to show other people the huge savings you will make by going for the Hardened edition in the first place.
You may or may not download map packs as often as others but I'm telling you now that there will be many thousands of people that will buy MW3 from online,high street,supermarkets that don't spend the time on gaming forums like some of us but will buy all the map packs only to realise that they could have made huge savings.
I was only picking up on what this guy was saying in his article and the huge difference in price structure if you bought the basic MW3 and intended on downloading each month and subscribing to the elite package.
Not only are you getting all there download content but the elite subscription for a year that costs around £30 anyway.
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Do you really think Falcon and Jaxx don't ever buy downloaded content especially with games like Battlefield and MW games.
If any of there buddies buy a map pack or subscribe to the elite service then sheep will follow 
As i have said i am not promoting what Activision are doing just stating some facts about price point and the savings made 
I know for a fact that i will want the best online service and all additional content as soon as its available for download,especially games like MW3 and Battlefield because my love is FPS. So for me on a personal level like it or not will buy the hardened edition because it will save me a small fortune over the year and millions of others will follow suit once they see the savings that can be made.
having said all that I'm with the rest of you about having to pay for the content in the first place,but if thats how it is then a few here and there who refuse to bow to activisions greed and demands will change nothing.
Now if there was a massive campaign and out cry and petition with millions of others raging about this proposed service then i would join into that.
But COD sells millions and they are not going to worry about the few hundred thousand that ditch the idea when 50 million others will buy it.
Edited by time2die (Thu 15-Sep-11 15:42:36)
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I save even more by not buying it.
If that's your kettle of fish then by all means go ahead. There's plenty of competition in the market with next to nothing in terms of share willing to offer more value for money for me. 
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I do believe , if what im reading is accurate Activision have finally gone that one step to far . allot of people simply can not afford this and that is the case for many not just a few .
Edited by deleted (Thu 15-Sep-11 17:47:14)
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BF3 is winning for my autumn gaming buy.
Hardly a big spender at 2 or 3 a year, but do play them a lot.
$99 will be £80 or so in UK I guess, so silly money. A map pack every 4 months is fine, every month is daft.
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Its about choice mate isn't it,so you take it or leave it right or wrong ?.
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I intend to buy the game and none of the extra nonsense.
Did the same with MW2 and guess what...hardly any of my friends bought the DLC either so not exactly a big loss! Those who did don't even get to use it because as soon as one of us doesn't have it, the game defaults to disabling it! epic waste of money.
It's a test of whether they can go down the subscription route where in future you'll likely get the game itself for next to nothing but have to pay £10 a month just to play it. I'd implore smart gamers to reject this comedy. This isn't PSN or xbox live.
Edited by orly (Thu 15-Sep-11 18:39:51)
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Oh i buy DLC, theres no way around it, but i judge whether it is a pack that contains a lot, for example i skipped the halo 3 dlc but bought ODST cheap which had all the DLC (4 packs) plus a separate game which was decent enough. I bought the GTA4 DLC because that was actually a solid amount per pack. etc
None of these were because i felt compelled to have to keep up because the sheer amount of it, same goes for feeling compelled to subscribe to a service which is solely there to gorge stupid people.
I learnt the hard lesson about the DLC train early on with BF2 "boosters" which ultimately split the community.
You know i ultimately agree with you t2d that if you are going to MW3 it has to be hardened or higher just for the year free. But just because you think the people not buying it are in such a minority its not worth caring about thats just foolish and stupid, there are plenty who don't own it an im sure there are plenty who would buy the game but not the sub or maps. You'd be surprised
But on that note people need to wake up and realise CoD is turning more from a casual shooter to something thats more of a rip off than any other title, the comes a point in time people HAVE to say enough.If its going to take more than this then more fool people who buy into it because they're just helping send a message to activision who will then gloat its working for them and then every other company jumps on this type of band wagon. Its more than just CoD here, blind sheeple are setting precedents beyond their narrow comprehension.
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I get the feeling there's some clever marketing going on here. Do we know how many maps there are in these so called "Map Packs"?? Because 4 maps per pack per month is 48 maps. I smell a rat and think perhaps "one map" every month would be more likely.
And that makes 12 maps. The old map packs were 4 maps for about a tenner IIRC? So 3 Map Packs for thirty quid over a year. How much extra is the hardened addition again?
There definitely won't be more than 12 DLC maps, if that many. I think you're just paying for all the DLC up front with Elite thrown in for free. And a lot if those stats were already in BLOPS (heat maps etc.)
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BF3 is winning for my autumn gaming buy.
Hardly a big spender at 2 or 3 a year, but do play them a lot.
$99 will be £80 or so in UK I guess, so silly money. A map pack every 4 months is fine, every month is daft.
same here although my WoW addiction costs £9 a month However its a huge amount of content and huge patches which add more to the game, unlike your run of the mill map packs. If I`m honest BF3 will be my main interest but might not necessary be on a console this time
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My understanding is the only saving you make from buying an ordinary copy of the game and buying the Elite service separately is $10.00.
So, you get a metal box and some kind of 'field guide' manual that is probably useless. Whoop dee doo.
The only savings to be made are either getting the Hardened Edition as you say, or paying for the Elite membership and that is only if you intend to buy any of the DLC.
By the time the dollahs are converted into pounds, you'll be better off not giving Activision all your money and taking up a cheaper hobby instead.
DLC is turning into a very scary thing indeed. Maybe someone should develop DLC the game? You could have a zombie mode for all the non thinkers emptying out their wallets willingly and a hardened edition for those wallets that are clam tight and need to be forced open for all the hardcore online players who have to have all the maps and everything. If there are more than 1 map a month then I can't imagine the quality is going to be up to much. Perhaps they'll release things street by street? Or brick by brick? 
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You may be right regarding 1 map per month mate but its not only a map is it,there will be new spec op missions and other content.
The Elite subscription costs i think £29,99 a year and even more on a monthly basis,map content for COD games are usually around £12 so i think its going to be a lot cheaper only if you intend on getting the Elite service and some map packs........If they don't interest that particular person then thats there choice and there is no problems.
Basically we will have to wait until the game releases and see what the majority of the COD community do,only then will Activision know if or if not they went to right or wrong way and pushed the limits.
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And i agree with you falcon and you make a valid point,it does not help that people like me who generally love COD games are prepared to pay for this service but i am not the minority.
This is not new to gaming as Grumpy pointed out as WOW have been doing this for a few years and its one of the biggest online games played on a PC and i don't see the pc community up in arms and signing petitions to do something about it or refusing to play the game which is a subscription based service..........Period.
Your right there will be many thousands that will think like you and many others on here and will not bow down to Activisions greedy demand for more money of gamers,but the truth is mate for every thousand that won't buy it i bet you 10,000 will and Activision know this.
Like i said until the game gets released and gets favourable reviews,lets not forget if this bombs on review sites then this is not only going to impact games sales but severely cripple there Elite service and downloadable content........Until Battlefield hits the streets and the MW3 we will have to wait until Christmas to get a indication if this is a good move by Activison or a deal breaker.
I have nothing against anyone that wants to make a stand about paying for extra content for a game and i don't ever think we should have to pay more money,I'm just saying honestly that if the game turns out to be really good for me then I'm afraid that i would buy the additional content.
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I have nothing against anyone that wants to make a stand about paying for extra content for a game and i don't ever think we should have to pay more money,I'm just saying honestly that if the game turns out to be really good for me then I'm afraid that i would buy the additional content.
And I will buy it too. I might moan about it, but I will still end up buying it.
I don't have a problem with DLC either, if there is longevity of content in the game at release. Giving you four maps then adding 12 as DLC is totally wrong, but that doesn't happen with COD titles as far as I can see. You got ten or twelve maps and 20 odd Spec Ops side games with MW2 at release. Can't moan about that. 
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Which was my point in the first place matey only i will be getting it at a discounted rate because its the Hardened addition i have gone for.
Yep you pay another £40 for the game but that includes the Elite Subscription for a year and every bit of content released each month.
I mean its a shot in the dark and a little like when i gave Sony £39.99 for a years subscription to a service that basically offers you nothing,once bitten twice shy and that service has now expired and based on what i got out of it i won't be subscribing to the Playstation Plus Service again.
This may be the same case with MW3 but i think based on the previous games which in all honesty i loved i think its worth the risk because i know 100% that i would end up wanting the elite service and some of the map content.
I also bet that over the coming months we will even get a few on here saying that they had wished they had got the hardened edition also.
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You can't compare it to WoW because you only pay about £20 for the game then you have to pay monthly subscription for expansions, patches, them to run their servers etc. With COD they dont really have any ongoing costs apart from development of new maps so ongoing payments are not justified.....PERIOD!
Either way I know a lot of people who are getting BF3 over COD, COD will still reign supreme but I think BF3 is going to make a healthy dent in their margins this year!
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At the end of the day Jaxx you will be getting some of the Elite service in the basic MW3 editions and people will make there own minds up in what they will or will not buy into.
Only people that have never ever paid for downloadable content in the past for the games they have owned do i admire for the stance.
Can you honestly say to me that when you have owned a game that you have never bought a map pack,expansion ,aviator or new mission.
If thats the case then credit to you but i know to well Jaxx from previous posts by you and the many against this that you have already contributed to the rise of Publishers charging for additional content.
So now all of a sudden you are surprised by what Activision are doing with MW3 and are up in arms moaning about it having already contributed to this dilemma .........Go figure !
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Lol what is your problem? Are you incapable of discussions sometimes? I was just replying to your comparison to WoW which was wrong, I'm not saying I haven't bought DLC, I bought it on Alan Wake, I have bought some COD map packs but like others have said if it's a map pack every month it's just excessive. I am surprised by what Activision are doing because this is completely different to the last 3 COD games that have came out, so what do you expect? I'm sorry but sometimes you come across like a class A clown who is uncapable of accepting any other views or even discussing the topic at hand, you just keep saying the same things and making no valid arguments. Nothing you raised in this post was really relevant to what I said, you just went on another of your stupid tangents.
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Key here is that a few maps every few months, to add to the game play variety is fine.
The difference with WoW is that in WoW you are building an empire, i.e. it exists even when you are not playing. Where as other than tracking scores MW3 will be a transitory playing experience.
DLC is arriving at the wrong time, people are ever more pressured on their spending money, even the single guy with disposable income must be noticing it by now. Those with kids/teenagers will hate DLC, as buying an expensive game for birthday etc is OK, but when they have ongoing costs it can get silly.
Look at comic industry, it spotted money in selling special editions, that sold so well, that those buying them in the hope of selling them at a markup later, got done over, i.e. not rare at all. Then the market collapsed...
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I repeat myself because numskulls like you just don't understand the principle of what i am saying so hence i have to repeat myself.........
For the last time ........This is for people that will pay for the elite service and download the majority of the content each month..............BUY THE HARDENED EDITION .........ITS CHEAPER.
jaxx my advice to you is go play pang or something and go and annoy other people in other gaming forums as my patience with you has just run out and i will not be responding to any future comments made from you every now and again which by all accounts are having a pop at someone that has started a thread or threatening us all with comments like [i have had it with these gaming forums and going elsewhere]
Please do as you want because with what you actually do with regards input on here it won't actually be missed matey
And take a closer look at my thread my friend as i don't recall getting personal and calling you a Class A Clown or anything else for that matter,you always resort to personal remarks or insults and all i was saying is that you and the many others that have paid for download content in the past then you have to shoulder some blame as to why publishers think they can get away with it.
Imagine in a perfect world not one single person paid for downloaded content of a game or refused to buy games when they get price hiked like COD games.............But it aint like that is it and some people have mega money and don't care diddly squat how much a game costs or how much downloadable content comes after its releases...........FACT NOT FICTION JAXX.
Bit like the price of subscribing to Sky Television and the amounts that cost each month when you have the Movie Package,the sky Sports package and 2 HD boxes,that costs £30 before you even start to subscribe to the Tv packages.
Like many others i remember when it first came out it was free and now me and the mrs are paying £80 a month to watch television,again in a perfect world if we all refused to pay such a excessive some of money and all cancelled Sky we would be all laughing. because Sky would have to drastically reduce the prices to get us all back on board.
Anyway I'm done arguing with you over trivia and the posts i make because it just aint worth it as i have already been drawn into your way of thinking because i have actually called you a numbskull
Seems i won't be getting a christmas card of Jaxx this year as i seem to wind him up pretty easy and thats just posting about a game and the various editions.
On that note i won't be inviting you into my Squad in Gears Of War 3 in Horde mode because you just might start giving me a ear bashing within seconds
Just out of interest the game is been really well received and the reviews of this game are outstanding saying its the best in the series with all your favourite modes made even better.
Look forward to this next Tuesday even though dead Island has me hooked .
RANT OVER....
Edited by time2die (Fri 16-Sep-11 15:56:11)
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Its just the way the gaming industry is going like it or not, and believe you me I'm not happy like most gamers and its only the good content i download if i think the hours that is spent on a game is worth it.
Apart from the Map Packs for the COD games and the Red Dead Expansion then that is all i have downloaded as extra content in the last few years.
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This is not new to gaming as Grumpy pointed out as WOW have been doing this for a few years and its one of the biggest online games played on a PC and i don't see the pc community up in arms and signing petitions to do something about it or refusing to play the game which is a subscription based service..........Period.
if gamers find its value for money they will pay which I think is what makes WoW so successful. I remember a time many moons ago, maps for COD were free and also people made maps for free as well, how times have changed. Subscription type gaming was always on the cards, its finding what price point the market will accept!
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Can not argue with that point mate and its a little similar to what i have been saying
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Just had a quick glance at your link and gee whiz they aint half charging for the Elite and DLC every month. Is it just a ruse to get folk to part more money up front? You know FPS are 10 a penny these days and to be honest COD can`t have much far to go now. Be interesting to see how well it sells, I`m sure it will do well. Still think BF3 is going to be my baby but will see.
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I shall buy both and it can only be a good week or 2 for gamers whatever your preferences .
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Well said!
I just pre ordered my hardened edition today. It boiled down to just playing the game and not being able to join other maps or spec ops operations that you read about on forums. NO. I bit the bullet and paid best guts of £80 to Game.
Anothe point about the additional dlc is that I have not bought any games in the last two years of the shelf simply because I played MW2 until BO was released and apart from the odd game from the xbox marketplace I have only spent on new maps (Excluding zombies )
My way of looking at it is I have 12 months of subscription built in and all additional downloads (Its not new maps every month) so I wont have to make sure I have enough points topped up as I hate putting that 25 digit code in as I never get it right!
Hopefuly based on the reviews I have read and listened to there will be so much in this game that I wont be buying any other games for at least 12 months so for every game thats new at £40 I wont buy them and I am still quids in.
Roll on November
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I shall buy both and it can only be a good week or 2 for gamers whatever your preferences .
Damn straight mate! 
I have nothing against anyone that wants to make a stand about paying for extra content for a game and i don't ever think we should have to pay more money,I'm just saying honestly that if the game turns out to be really good for me then I'm afraid that i would buy the additional content.
Yep totally agree. Like SPOOK says, DLC is getting scary. And as MrSaffron mentioned, for those of us with kids, it stretches things sometimes. That's just a sign of the times I'm afraid, but so is DLC.
As long as we get a full game from the off, I don't have a problem with DLC. It stretches out a good experience and who wouldn't want that? I will get the DLC as and when it comes up I think, but only because I can't justify 80 quid at the mo. Mainly because I've just shelled out on R3, pre-ordered BF3 MW3 and the Ico/Shadow HD collection, and I'm waiting for the Sony wireless headset to pop up.
And then it's Christmas. Blimey, where'd the year go?
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If like me you intend on having the elite subscription and download content then its quite a saving as i originally said,seems that me making a comment about the hardened edition and the editors claims on how much can be saved in the article has kind of got up a few peoples backs.
If i had not read the article in the first place regarding what is included i would have gone for the basic edition which i had already pre/ordered weeks ago only to find months later it would be costing me a hell of a lot more money.
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No, its not a sign of the times because you don't have to buy it, you saying "oh shucks oh well i guess ill buy it this time" isn't helping anyone, you can't expect to stop a horrible trend by participating in it by throwing your arms in the air and saying if others are going to do it i might as well.
Doesn't work like that.
Comparisons to WoW and other MMO's is a far reach, others have said why and i have to agree with them having played many MMO's some of the sub based in the past.
Subscription models shouldn't and can't be applied to any old game, which pretty much what CoD is through and through, its like MMO's are now trying to apply the free to play model which in some cases works i.e age of conan, in others it fails i.e about 10000 other MMO's.
Billing models aren't something you can just slap about and they shouldnt be accepted or treated as such.
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That's not what I said.
I said getting 10 or 12 multiplayer maps and 20 odd spec ops challenges is more than fair from a game release. Anybody expecting more should be prepared to pay more.
Has it ever occurred to you that people may be happy to pay for new content because they think it's good value?
You hate COD and I respect your opinion. But I don't really need a lesson in economics. You don't want it, you don't buy it. If I thought it was bad value I would say so, but it isn't.
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And i have to agree with mrnelster because nobody is forced to buy any content or subscription based service,the only reason i am going for the hardened edition is because of my love of most COD games,especially when developed by Infinity Ward........And please don't tell me most of them have left as i am well aware of this but they still go by that name and from what i have seen of MW3 it has IW all over it.
We all agree that subscription based fees and download content which consumers have to pay extra for is not what any gamer wants in the first place,but if a publisher charges money for additional content for a game many millions love and its worth it then thats there decision on buying it or not.
Personally i really don't get the hate campaign aimed at COD games because it seems to me we have two very different sort of people on here and most gaming sites,one in the Battlefield Camp and One in the MW3 camp.
Me I'm just happy that we have 2 future FPS that should keep me happy for many months to come and i have no dislike of either even though i know that MW3 will be my personal choice for the way it plays
Gamers everywhere should be happy that EA and Dice have opened up the playing field and made Activision take notice that they are not the only one gunning for glory,any competition regarding publishers and developers only has to be a fantastic thing for those that love FPS.
Looking at what EA and Dice have produced i really hope that infinity Ward have taken notice and i doubt very much they will release a game that does not please the majority of the cod community.
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Let me ask you a question? ,when your electricity supplier or Gas Supplier puts there prices up by a massive 18% do you refuse to use there service,what about if you like or love premier league football with a passion and Sky as they do increases that service.
Do you take the same stance and cancel your Sky and sit there wrapped in a blanket with a hot water bottle...........No you don't .
Yeah these comparisons are a little drastic i grant you that but even if the few of us gamers on here refused to buy any additional subscription service and download content do you think that Activision would all of a sudden do a U-Turn and say ok lets give it them for free.
Unless everybody or a huge majority set up some petition and the Elite service is severely crippled with lack of interest then nothing is going to change and thats the way of the wicked world like it or not.
I wish i had never posted the thread in the first place to be honest with you because its turned into a finger pointing argument against the ones that may buy the elite service and map packs each month.
I am going to severely laugh my socks of if EA come up with a similar scheme just after Battlefield gets released,all you Battlefield lovers on here will be digging deep and paying for the content i would not mind betting.
All this bickering over this comment that i posted.............
In Call of Duty Modern Warfare Hardened Edition you not only get the nifty case, field journal, and other goodies, but the 1 Year access of Call of Duty Elite which sells for $50 on its own includes an entire year of DLC access. Now gamers on forums are saying �Oh that�s only a $10 difference� I.e. $59 + $50 vs. $99, but consider the fact that with Call of Duty Elite Membership you are going to get every DLC for a year, and it�s been reported that Call of Duty Modern Warfare 3 is going to release A NEW DLC MAP PACK EVERY MONTH for the next year (at a cost of around $15.00 for non-elite members), the math you are doing isn�t adding up. At that rate, you are getting an additional $180.00 worth of content for $40, something unheard of for a special edition bonus.
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Change supplier, easy, want to watch the footie? I'm not a fan but if i had to i'd go the pub or to a mates or stream it online. Quite simply i can work around or do without (plus sky give nice incentives to stay with them).
I'm not pointing any fingers here, i've refrained from pointing any direct fingers because i'm fully aware that the problem is more than 1 person.
Not at any point did i say activision should do it for free, my point simply is they shouldnt do it at all (sub based models). So much DLC = Content cut from final game, its also a massive rip off. I agreed with you that if anyone was to buy this [censored] theyre best buying the hardened otherwise they get gouged more, middle editions of games usually cost 50-60, not 80. Theres no way around that point.
The elite service pretty much is a pile of trash, besides the DLC rubbish, whoopie look at me watching some youtube vids and looking at stats.
EA can do whatever they want, unless its something that interests me i wont buy it, but hey at least EA has sales and discount codes all over the place unlike activision who only manage to drop the price of CoD games many years old by £10 on a steam sale, plus they give free stats. Why battlefield suddenly matters, i haven't a clue, this isn't about battlefield or EA its about activision being greedy and suckering the gullible.
TBH you seem to be getting very overly defensive about this, its either out of your own conflict over this scam or blind fanboyism either way it isn't good for anyone considering you chewed a massive chunk out of jaxx and now you are gnawing in my direction, i don't like it at all for mere stating this stuff is a rip off, its a blatant as day rip off and i'm not just going to say "oh yeah its a brilliant". Especially when you complain its "the way things are going", i simply state that if you aren't happy with the direction things are going then stop it before it gets out of hand.
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You think this is over hating CoD? Wow... it explains a lot then
You spout out stuff like "its the way things are going" and "everyone else is going to buy" and then you ultimately boil it down to CoD hate? Stupid at best. My posts were more for the fact its a ridiculous business model, i mentioned saints row 3 and if that did something similar at the rates CoD has atm and it was out before CoD then i would be saying that its appalling of THQ to do it, not acti or CoD.
Unbelievably blind.
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I said getting 10 or 12 multiplayer maps and 20 odd spec ops challenges is more than fair from a game release. Anybody expecting more should be prepared to pay more.
Has it ever occurred to you that people may be happy to pay for new content because they think it's good value?
What I said here is obviously correct to anybody without an agenda. If the amount of content at release is fair, then you cannot expect free DLC. You can want it, and it would be nice of the business boys to offer it. But you can't expect something for nothing. You make the descision to buy on what you are offered and I don't see why you should expect free add ons unless you feel the release has been cut deliberately. And as I pointed out previously and above, that is one thing you can't level at Modern Warfare games. Perhaps you wouldn't watch a movie because they didn't throw the sequel in for free?
So if this was the Sky scenario, you would change the world by watching it at a mates house? That's not joined up thinking really, is it? I'm not stupid or blind, so excuse me if I don't envy you for your reasoning skills. It's you doing the spouting, no me.
And I'm sorry if you dislike being accused of being a COD hater, but you always make such a good job of portraying yourself as one.
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You really need to read the thread more carefully Falcon Matey,regarding jaxx and taking a massive chunk out of him then your wrong,not until jaxx went into one of his usual rants did i have a go back.
I don't come on here and start on any individual because he happened to post or repeat a similar thread a few times in response to the replies to the original post.
Fanboyism is really kind of a stupid thing to compare this with because if that is what i am regarding COD games then that same logic can be applied to you for your views regarding Battlefield and how you think its so much better.
I think if both yourself and Jaxx read through the original thread you may get a better understanding of the point in question without this Battlefield is better than MW3 scenario or vice versa.
You see myself and mrnelster have not once gone on about what Battlefield does not offer compared to MW3 and as gamers we shall be getting both games because they both give us different styles of a gaming experience and we and many others love the FPS.
So lets just stop mocking each other and take a adult look at the pros and cons of publishers in question actions,we have made it perfectly clear if the game rocks then we are in for additional content,according to you and a few other Hardened PC players your not buying it.............Fine i respect that its not for you ,but you also should respect the fact that just because you don't like it Millions do. .
This is another reason why i end up repeating myself as we are all in a agreement that what Activision are doing is totally wrong and not what gamers want,point is once again sorry for the repeat if the game is awesome and the content extends the life of a game Millions spend months on then this has to be worth it.
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No its not and for once i'm going to directly call you an idiot.
This is about a stupid business model and people getting behind it, battlefield doesn't even factor in to it, does the original article reference battlefield? no. You started ranting about battlefield and EA noone else.
Now you are even turning into console vs PC...
Sigh, take your childish "discussion" and DLC and run with it t2d/nelster, i give up, take your fanboyism and stuff it ultimately you will only bury this board in none stop CoD spam. Both of you trying to act mature when really neither of you are capable of any sort of logical decent conversation with anything to do with any of it. Anyone speaks against you and you are presented with a superior point you take it as offensive do a rant and blame the person with the better point as raving, hypocrites. Nothing but strawmen, turning it from activision to it being CoD hate, from CoD hate to BF bias from BF bias to platform wars...... Grow up, jog on to an official CoD board.
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You can dress it up any how you like, but you really are a COD hater.
And you know it. And you know that taints the validity of any of the "opinion" you decide to hide behind.
For such a mighty anarchist, you sure chose a funny cause. The evil of Activision pales into insignificance when taken in context with what actually goes on outside your bedroom. Perhaps you should get out more?
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"WAHHH WAHH YOU HATIN ON COD..."
Grow up
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"WAHHH WAHH YOU HATIN ON COD..."
Grow up
Blimey. Now I'm embarrassed for you.
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Falcon.
Your a PC fan Boy and always have protected the beloved pc for all the years i have been on this forum,basically you have gone down in my estimations .
Using Jaxx for starters against me and saying that i had a rant at him shows the immature nature and childish response to the posts made regarding the thread in the first place.
Call me an Idiot mate it bothers me not one iota and i take it as a compliment from a dim wit like you ,obviously i have hit a nerve with both you and Jaxx.
Once again i repeat myself and ask you as a sensible person to look at the original thread and then tell me who actually had a go at who,and when you have got someone to read it out for you then you will see why i had a slight dig back at Jaxx.
And by the way.........Jaxx is a grown up and he don't need you to speak for him and its a very sorry state when you openly try to deflect the fact that how much you actually hate COD, any post regarding COD has been met with nothing butt negativity by you over the past couple of years.
You can dress it up and hide behind whatever you like mate,but to me your like a plate glass window and i can see straight through you.
Its plane and clear Falcon anyone that supports or thinks COD games are a enjoyable experience grates on you Big time, you have only got to look through all the COD posts on these very forums to see you are a Number one COD hater thats for sure and have made it perfectly clear.
And if you want proof i will post all your quotations in the past referring to MW or COD games
All this because i posted a link about the saving made when buying the hardened edition of MW3..........And you have the nerve to call me a Idiot.............What a complete waste of time spent even trying to put a point across without you crying like a baby and using paragraphs in your comments from other posters to put your case across.
Im not the first person on here Jaxx has got angry with and won't be the last,only sad thing about this is the fact that when a heated debate gets out of hand people flood the gaming forums with there views and opinions and little rants and raves.
Both yourself and Jaxx show how immature you are as you both resort to trying to name call when people like something you obviously hate with a passion...............Nighty night Falcon
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Sure i prefer my pc, but i also own a 360 and there are things done on it which are done well, if they werent i wouldnt own one.
I've owned pretty much everything other console going minus the ps3 and psp, if i was such a die hard pc fanboy i wouldnt own any of these, your assumption is grossly wrong.
Do what you want with me calling you an idiot, i'm not the one who can't take a valid point then blame it on that persons liking for another game, can't take another valid point and blame it on platform bias despite neither of those two grounds being touched on before.
Now you are throwing jaxx at me, jesus how sycophantic you are.
Think what you want, call others immature, we all know who the big 2 children are here, you and nelster and your private circlejerk, you two are going to run this place into the ground with COD spam.
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Cod Spam now is it,one of the biggest releases of the year has now become COD Spam.......Oh Dear.
What oh Master would you like T2D to post to keep you well and truly happy.............
May be a list of future PC games we must play before we die.................Sorry i would have posted them but the developers have eloped and gone to pastures greener called Sony and Microsoft i think .
Lets beg to differ and move on shall we and call a truce because its now getting a tad tedious,easy option is don't comment on my posts and i will do the same regarding yours and it won't end up like this.
Very childish conclusion i admit but it seems that this can not be solved in a adult manner so I'm stuck for answers.
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I don't think its actually a map pack every month just 1 map and additional content like spec ops level and other stuff.
It takes them long enough to do 4 or 5 maps so there is no way you going to get 4 or 5 maps a month for the next 12 months.
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I,m also thinking its one map a month with other DLC like Spec Ops , thing is I am avid COD fan but am also of the thinking I'm not prepared to go down the subscription rout for a FPS .
Also I'm not prepared to buy the hardened edition , and sadly neither are the people I game with , we have spoken extensively about what Acti are up to and is MW3 really that much of a improvement and worth a subscription .
The answer is " its not " I will buy the basic version as will my team mates , as we are still unclear what's rumoured and what's true .
They have pushed there community hard in the past , there DLC is over priced but still there looking for more ways to get more money , I honestly feel this is that one step to far and will signal the demise of COD series .
Anyway I await November .
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They have pushed there community hard in the past , there DLC is over priced but still there looking for more ways to get more money , I honestly feel this is that one step to far and will signal the demise of COD series .
They have indeed, but I don't think it will be their demise.
They may be toppled from the number one position though, perhaps by the Battlefield series who offer the elite type service for free. But will EA offer another game next year? If not then COD will still be the only option for a premium FPS fix. There will be a huge crossover between the two titles and it will be interesting to see which format comes out on top.
For what it's worth I think the subscription service is a tester. There was talk of a "World of Warfare" idea in the future. Similar to the WOW mould. They probably want to know how many people are willing to stump up on a monthly basis.
But at the end of the day, nobody is forced to buy the DLC. I'm pretty happy with the content I got from MW2 before the map packs. I'd rather any extra resources went into the server side. And I think that will happen if BF3 is successful.
The only thing that will bring publishers like Activision to heal is good quality competition. Only then will gamers start "voting with their feet". When consumers have choices, companies need to work harder for their business. I think the whole BF3 vs MW3 debate will be a good thing in that respect.
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