I cant see the steambox selling in the numbers it needs to be deemed a success.

The question is how many guys in this thread will be buying a steambox and for what reason.

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if you want to turn this into a childish fanboy contest go ahead, I will stop taking part.

Really is that a threat or a promise and have we touched on a soft spot or what

Would never have guessed you owned any console because all you have done is ripped them apart, in fact i have seen a few anti console gamers on here but you take the biscuit.

Vs someone else on here who posts like all he is doing is promoting ps4 consoles.

Yes I do own a ps3/xbox360 and some pc's. But I am not a fanboy, so I am not scared to criticise these devices where the pitfalls are. I am also not loyal to the point I will spend £400+ on a new console that has no games that interest me, so somehow that is called ripping them apart?

The question is if you not a fanboy why do you feed the need to defend something you not a fanboy off.

Also I am not a fan of a situation where I will have "too many" gaming devices, I have limited space. If the PS4 eg. was fully BC. I may well have brought one as I could still play my ps3 gaming library on it, but it isnt. My ps3 gaming library is far too vluable to me to toss it aside for a ps4, and I havent got room for a ps3 and ps4 with both consoles, cables, controllers etc. So its not just about cash. Of course this is one thing that makes pc's great is the fact if you upgrade them, you not replacing a pc you just upgrade components and your old games arent suddenly obselete. Both sony and microsoft knew this problem which is why the current gen has lasted so long, I feel they both didnt want to go next gen but developers kept moaning and groaning about graphics power and eventually got their way. I am not bashing consoles specifically to attack them, just posting my point of view.

I have also gave my reasons why I think the steambox will fail. It will sell, but I believe we wont see the amount sold in the amounts playstation's and xbox's sell. Not enough to make developers code specifically for it instead of windows. The only chance it has is exclusive's from valve really. As exclusive's sell consoles. The question then is will valve risk damaging their vibrant pc steam market by making something exclusive to steamos? I think no. But maybe they will.

I am also well aware steamboxes can be upgraded, But the typical console gamer (who doesnt also own a pc) wont be into all that, the sort of people who would be interested likely already own a gaming pc. Much of the media has picked up on this also (I posted a video from 2 media guys). So I think it will be a bit of a niche market, it will be purchased by those who think its something cool to try, and those who consider it a cheap way into the pc market will give it a shot as well. I also think its sales will largely be consilidated in america and europe, it wont have the worldwide presence in asia etc.

Thats it really, and next I will get a ton of replies saying I am attacking consoles, and Ithat its sad to play games in an office, well my office is my bedroom and millions of people game that way. I game on my consoles this way also on a 22" monitor next to my pc monitor. My setup is very compact.

Plus are you really suggesting people will browse the net on a console with a virtual keyboard over using a pc out of choice? that facility is there for those who dont have another means to browse from their console location, I have tried using IE on the 360 and it isnt pretty. Even worse than using a touch device.

Yeah Im excited about the new Playstation 4 and share my thoughts and views on here with others,what I'm buying and what I'm not interested in like Xbox One.

Having owned all the various Companys Consoles over the years Fanboy I'm not,but this generation i have sided with only One Company at present and that is Sony.

I wont tell you why because you are more than likely not interested and i have already commented regarding this matter on other threads throughout the year.

But you are down right crazy to accuse the Playstation of been way to expensive at the sum of £349 based on what year we are living in and the original cost of the P3 and what you get inside the Playstation 4.

Because i can

The question then is will valve risk damaging their vibrant pc steam market by making something exclusive to steamos? I think no. But maybe they will.

The thing is even if a game was exclusive to SteamOS it could still be played on any PC if you install the free operating system on it. I am sure PC gamers can manage that no problem. If done right then this OS should actually give better gaming performance.

They seem to be very quiet about when it will be available for download - I wonder, if like the devices, it will be available next year ?

Its not attacking the ps4 as such and i think the xboxone is worse value than the ps4.

to me any console is overpriced at launch in the last 2 gens. I brought my xbox360 3-4 years after its launch. I only got my ps3 earlier this year a second hand fat ps3. cost me £100 of ebay.

The overpricing I base on the fact a price drop is inevitable, it will happen, Early adopters are paying to use them early, but obbviously value is individual dependnet, what i see as bad value another person sees as great value, thats the free market.

My comment to you was all the posting announcements of new ps4 stuff and telling people to buy a ps4 instead of ps3. I said it since you seem to think I am very anti console and on some kind of hate mission when I am not, but I am not afraid to criticise where I feel its due.

Nothing is perfect.

The price of the ps4 in itself isnt the main problem tho, the killer is the cost of the accessories and games. Defending a controller that costs £50 to buy but probably costs sub £5 to manufacture is a bit ott.

Just one question to you.

Do you think the ps4 will be the same price in 2+ years time?

Of course the price will drop over time, all technology does. That does not mean the price at release is bad value at the time. Sony are selling the PS4 at a loss - how can something sold at a loss not be considered good value?

Fair enough if you want to wait for the console to be cheaper, theres nothing wrong with that, I am just disagreeing with you saying it is not good value.

I agree the controller is priced too high.

Here are the specs of the 300 prototype Steamboxes

The 300 prototype units will ship with the following components:
GPU: some units with NVidia Titan, some GTX780, some GTX760, and some GTX660
CPU: some boxes with Intel i7-4770, some i5-4570, and some i3
RAM: 16GB DDR3-1600 (CPU), 3GB GDDR5 (GPU)
Storage: 1TB/8GB Hybrid SSHD
Power Supply: Internal 450w 80Plus Gold
Dimensions: approx. 12 x 12.4 x 2.9 in high

Full article here

They are basically just making compact living room friendly PC's using off the shelf parts so there is not as much risk as people had thought before. It's not like launching a console.

I dont see the point of the steambox. If people want to use steams big box feature they can just build a small form factor pc using a mini itx board. or even get a shuttle.