consoles end of life

interesting video report here on when consoles may start to lose market share.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOPM-bvC13s

I think they may price themselves out of the market charging £60 for a game

Consoles wont last forever technology moves on

You both got to look at the bigger picture even though i agree with you regards £60 for a Playstation 4 Xbox One game.

If you look at history and you have been gaming for the last few decades you will remember the days of the Super Nintendo and well before the likes of Shopto.net,Game,and Gamestation were even around.

There was a lot of smaller independent Gaming shops dotted around the country with various gaming names who did a roaring trade on imports and for a short while i was one of them as i had my own back street gaming shop for 6 months.

Games like Super Street fighter would sell for £90,games like Super Metroid [my all time favourite] would sell for a similar price when bought through one of these shops who sold imported carts.

Even official Pal Games when officially released in the uk arrived up to 12/18 months later were priced between £49.99 and £59.99.

When the Nintendo 64 came to market and was released in the uk Mario 64 was £59.99 and Turok Dinosaur Hunter was £69.99 and we are talking 15 /20 years ago here.

So if games of today cost £50 to £60 and they are decent games with high production quality,isn't that a reasonable argument to justify the price hike given that some games on some consoles cost as much if not more on inferior hardware two decades ago...........just a thought ?

In reply to a post by Lt_Swan:

I think they may price themselves out of the market charging £60 for a game

Consoles wont last forever technology moves on

They will never price themselves out of the market,pre/orders of the Playstation 4 have gone through the roof and people are well informed about the game prices.

And if you buy only a handful of games a year [Swanny] Then it aint that much of a hardship given the amount of enjoyment you get from gaming.

Anyway at least we are not going to get the next 12 months of Battlefield 4 spam posts based on you recent thoughts and opinions........Apart from your dislikes if you indeed are intent on purchasing it unlike me who shall commit a cardinal sin and now buy Ghosts instead.

In reply to a post by Lt_Swan:

I think they may price themselves out of the market charging £60 for a game

Consoles wont last forever technology moves on

They won't be £60 mate. Just like TLOU was £39.99 (£17 for you ) even though FIFA for example, was in the forties (FIFA has a lot of player name/club/ground royalty baggage to cover). RRP's have always been much higher and you would only ever pay them in your local BP or from the Empire catalogue for example, that may be extending you credit.

The console market is extremely competitive.

So he watched a video by David, who watched a video by Chris, who watched a video by Linus. Then we get a webcam blog from 20 year old David whilst driving his car. A 'report' you called it?

Big business must be [censored] itself......

The irony is Chrysalis, when technology moves on and my console is intergrated into my TV/living room wall/tumble dryer, I will embrace it and be playing BF4 during a 1400 spin cycle. You will most likely be arguing that your old twin tub is more than adequate, and the online plug 'n' play white goods industry is dying on its [censored].

Yeah the RRP for this gen is also £59.99 yet they are usually £39.99 in the shops, the same should be the case for next gen given some time.

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Anyway at least we are not going to get the next 12 months of Battlefield 4 spam posts based on you recent thoughts and opinions......

GTA V online is now my game of choice so I'll talk about that and probably some BF3

In reply to a post by time2die:

So if games of today cost £50 to £60 and they are decent games with high production quality,isn't that a reasonable argument to justify the price hike given that some games on some consoles cost as much if not more on inferior hardware two decades ago...........just a thought ?

If they sold them at £40 they'd sell a hell of a lot more of them, less profit but more turn over

Can not believe that you prefer GTA 5 online given that it's completely broken at present and needs some serious fixing.

Well you have surprised me as I didn't even have you down for even buying GTA 5.

Haha goes to show you don't know me very well

When all you talk about for the last 18 months is Battlefield what do you expect.

That's not Mrnelster's YouTube channel is it? "As a guy I prefer using a gamepad. I really do."

I got 3 arguments to that.

(a) super nintendo games were most defenitly higher quality games than we see today with more genre variability as well.
(b) carts were significantly more expensive to manufacture
(c) no DLC, ripped out content, you got the full game every time.

On top of that I never recall seeing a £90 game. Most games which were considered top rate games would be around £40, certian rare imported games yes may have cost more sometimes, but a game released in the uk was typically £30-40.

I guess your shop was a ripoff

I do remember these prices as I was constantly going up to town as a kid to get new games. I got a snes on the first xmas it launched with super mario world. Which retailed at £120 incidently not £400

I agree todays games have high production "costs" but that doesnt mean high quality. 80-90% of the budget tends to go on graphics only.

Because of DLC £60 is not a typicla price for today's games.

Some examples

Fable 3 to get all content in the game would cost appprox £380, as a windows phone was a required purchase for some of the DLC, plus 3 brand new pre ordered copies were needed as they had retail exclusive content for 3 different stores. As well as the post launch DLC.
Dragon age 1 approx £96 for all content.
Dragon age 2 approx £80 for all content.

Edited by Chrysalis (Sat 12-Oct-13 18:59:54)

You really are extremely young and naive or don't have a clue about Gaming,in the days of the snes and mega drive,Atari jaguar,Sega Dreamcast imported games from the USA and Japan were nearly £100 and that's a fact,and that was not at my shop...

Do some research on Google and get your facts right,even Super Nintendo games in the uk were £49.99,super metroid on snes imported was going for £90.00 and these were standard cart prices throughout the independent Gaming/import shops that were around the UK way before the likes of Game/Gamestation/Cex .

You really dish the dirt and everything that is basically not PC orientated or a certain type of game that you personally only seem to play,like obscure Japanese role-playing games.

Every single one of your posts is a disapproval of future consoles ,the fact that you think that they are to expensive which quite frankly is ridiculous given the price point of £349 for a playstation with some serious grunt and top specs.

As for you not recalling £90 games then that's obvious because you complain about price points even in today's market and I doubt very much you even new about the import scene at the time or was slightly interested.

It was for hardcore gamers which you are not that was not prepared to wait 12 even 18 months for that game to even get a Pal release in the Uk.

And given your love affair with RPGs you of all people should know that as there were many Japanese RPGs that never ever made these shores but were imported in there thousands.

Take a look at some of these forum posts of what people payed for snes and N64 games back in the day,yes some are in dollars and some in Pounds but even you will be able to see through the mist and haze in your head .

http://www.gamespot.com/forums/games-discussion-1000...

Edited by time2die (Sat 12-Oct-13 20:28:02)

no I am 34 thank you very much.

You need to grow up and stop been so defensive of your favourite console. Its becoming quite obvious you cannot have an adult and rational discussion.

All the posts I made yesterday none said anything bad about consoles yet you still seem to want to post in an agressive manner towards me, stop it.

The specs of the ps4 are not top, its already dated and cannot even handle various launch games at 1080p. Sorry if facts offend you.

http://www.dualshockers.com/2013/10/08/battlefield-4...

Edited by Chrysalis (Sun 13-Oct-13 06:40:00)

In reply to a post by Chrysalis:

The specs of the ps4 are not top, its already dated and cannot even handle various launch games at 1080p. Sorry if facts offend you.

http://www.dualshockers.com/2013/10/08/battlefield-4...

Give it up will you.

http://www.gamepur.com/news/12368-ps4-vs-xbox-one-li...

Consoles will never have top of the range specs because the cost would be too high, they need to get a balance between price and performance. It's no good if no one can afford the things.

You have to remember though that one of the advantages of consoles is that they all have the same specs so developers can highly optimize games and use every bit of its power. Just look what they have achieved with the PS3.

Precisely. The PS4 will have amazing looking visuals and keep up with most quality PC's.

It's a facile argument to keep pointing at boutique PC's that cost a £1000 upwards. Anything with a Titan in it is not standard fare and doesn't need to be brought up time and time again. I'm still waiting for the specs of the £349 PS4 trouncer that is apparently so easy to build.

I remember years ago watching a TV show on Men & Motors (or some such channel) with a guy who built the "worlds fastest" Vauxhall Chevette (remember them Timey? ) with a 2.0 turbocharged, race tuned Cosworth engine in it. When challenged that it wasn't technically speaking a Vauxhall Chevette anymore, he looked like Homer Simpson under cross examination.

So he is 34 which basically means when the Snes was released 20 years ago he was dependant on his parents to buy it for him given that he was 14 at the time and I was the age he is now.

So basically what would any 14 year old kid know about the Import scene at the age of 14 some 20 years ago ,and he wouldn't even be buying imported games or consoles so his post and reference to not remembering games costing £90 plus is totally irrelevant as he would not even have had the funds at the time based on his age.

Sod all the negative talk, I'll be enjoying Killzone. Let them get on with it.

And I'm gonna set up a COD Ghosts clan. You in or what old man?

Im in

And less of the Man

Do i have to apply for membership and can my mate Spook join eventually when he buys a Playstation 4.

And what time does the Mrs allow you to play

Do i have to apply for membership...

It's free for the over 55's.

...and can my mate Spook join eventually when he buys a Playstation 4.

If we're not on the PS5 by then, why not. But you can both chip in on the Rosetta Stone CD's, I'm not tri-lingual.

And what time does the Mrs allow you to play...

She doesn't tell me what to do.....she just gives me that look.

In reply to a post by time2die:

So he is 34 which basically means when the Snes was released 20 years ago he was dependant on his parents to buy it for him given that he was 14 at the time and I was the age he is now.

So basically what would any 14 year old kid know about the Import scene at the age of 14 some 20 years ago ,and he wouldn't even be buying imported games or consoles so his post and reference to not remembering games costing £90 plus is totally irrelevant as he would not even have had the funds at the time based on his age.

You're only 14? And there was me thinking you must've been older...

Free for over 55's thats me out I'm 54 You messed up with that Joke

You telling me you don't understand by language or what?

Us Brummies are the salt of the earth and have various accents to go with it,I'm don't talk with a Black Country Accent so you will understand me if you can hear me that is over your Mrs telling you to turn that TV down .

Been on these forums 10 years plus and i still havent figured out how to put the certain paragraphs from quotes back into a forum post like you have just done.

I have highlighted areas and then hit the quote button but this puts all the quote in and not just parts of the lines like yours.......Care to enlighten this older gentlemen .

Free for over 55's thats me out I'm 54 You messed up with that Joke

Or perhaps not?

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In reply to a post by time2die:

I have highlighted areas and then hit the quote button but this puts all the quote in and not just parts of the lines like yours.......Care to enlighten this older gentlemen .

Ta da!

Thanks for that ,very helpful

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Ta da

Ta da!!

Never expected anyone to be on here so - ahem - early!

Here we go:

http://youtu.be/5ZjM8hN7XyI

Just for you old geezer. We all know your eyes ain't wot they used ta be!

Mind you, I can barely see that meself. It looked all right before Youtube gotta hold of it.

Edited by deleted (Mon 14-Oct-13 08:43:28)

Post deleted by time2die

What's this, Age Concern? Anyway, you've got far too much time on your hands and terrible taste in music.

You know it only took about half an hour to do that, less if FRAPs hadn't cocked up my first attempt.

Yeah, thanks - the music was the first free track on the list provided by YouTube and it was so awful it was kind of fitting I supposed. Glad you liked it!

dude I am not the one fighting, he agressively attacked every one of my posts which were not anti console, so I responded to one of his invites.

Then you attacked me?

Remember my defeinition of a fanboy?

1 - takes criticism of their product as a personal offense.
2 - feels the need to defend
3 - personally attacks the person doing the criticism.

Why cant we just have rational discussions, if you disagree just say why and leave it at that.

Yes there is various games at 1080p, but so what I dont care. I do care when someone speaks mistruth tho, neither next gen console has top of the line hardware, if they did they would cost a lot more money. Thats all I said, why is that such a problem.

In reply to a post by astateoftrance:

Consoles will never have top of the range specs because the cost would be too high, they need to get a balance between price and performance. It's no good if no one can afford the things.

You have to remember though that one of the advantages of consoles is that they all have the same specs so developers can highly optimize games and use every bit of its power. Just look what they have achieved with the PS3.

agreed. Considering the specs of current gen they have done very well with whats been achieved. I am not one of the people complaining about existing gen consoles, I think they very good. I dont care if a game is 480p or 1080p.

its getting silly now, you have took so much offense that you are resorting to attacking me personally.

Grow up and learn to take criticism on the chin.

Yes my snes was brought for me, some games were as well, but I had 3 jobs at 14, and I also had pocket money, I brought most of my own games. I also had a adaptor which I used to play imported carts.

Now you have inflated your £60 to £90 plus.

You think you know me because of my age? get real. I had £20 a week income between 3 paperounds and my pocket money. So if I wanted I could buy a new game every 2 weeks.

Grow up and learn to take criticism on the chin.

Yeah i will when you do

Stop feeling sorry for yourself,fact is i dont agree with anything you said or any of your views regarding next generation consoles.

To come on here and say that you have not been critical about Next Generation Consoles is bullcrap and you now it.

And how i am attacking you personally is anyones guess,you made a claim about Snes Games and the import scene and told the forum your age,i done a little bit of maths and said i doubt any 14 year old kid would have the funds to buy games on import given the price.

You basically called me a liar when i told you in the day games like Imported Super Street Fighter and Super metroid where selling for £90 to £100 at the game shops around the Uk.

Some snes Games [UK Pal] sold for £59.99 and again you said you never paid more than £30,a UK copy of starfox with the special Fx chip cost £60.

Now you have inflated your £60 to £90 plus.

You don't read do you....The £60 price point was the actual price of some Uk Based Pal Games,the £90 was what some games and i repeat Some games on the import scene went for £90 plus.

I don't make these facts up mate they are true and a little research on your part would confirm what i am telling you,besides i was also in the trade at the time.

May be because of your sensitive nature its best that i say nothing regarding your destruction of anything Next Generation because if i list your posts on here regarding that matter i don't see that you have a single positive thing to say about them.

So expect Console lovers to defend there platform and its not me that needs to grow up mate.

Edited by time2die (Tue 15-Oct-13 16:18:31)

Yes there is various games at 1080p, but so what I dont care.

You don't care after I have posted evidence to the contrary, but you cared enough to post beforehand:

The specs of the ps4 are not top, its already dated and cannot even handle various launch games at 1080p. Sorry if facts offend you.

Nobody's attacking you for your opinion, they are accusing you of pretending to be authoritative on the subject and then refusing to relent when it's proven otherwise.

None of us here are experts, but posts like those above are confusing at best and petulant at worst. Be consistent.

I don't dislike PC gaming, I dislike elitists. I know damn well what a 1500 quid machine can do. I also know what a 600 quid machine can't do. And so does Sony. And Microsoft. And Timey.

None of us here are experts

I beg to differ

In reply to a post by time2die:

None of us here are experts

I beg to differ

Stop it, you'll make SPOOK blush.