Be buying this for the Pro No hesitation ?

Killing Floor 2

Games been announced for the Pro and releases November,came out of nowhere this game,i new it was a PC game but up until yesterday thought this game was released sometime on consoles next year.

Me too. Couldn't persuade anyone to get it on PC.

why wouldnt they buy on PC?

The game will probably cost more to buy on a PS4 pro and requires buying a new console.

Because there is only a few of us that Chat on here with PCs and its not everybody cup of tea, we are talking about 3 of us on here with PC that actually chat on this forum.

I didnt know he meant only people on this forum.

I dont see the difference in terms of gameplay tho, both use controllers. Seems just buying it because of the sony logo on the device which makes little sense to me.

PSN network is also a mess, so the network is not a good reason.

What Timey said. No PC posters here fancied it at the time. I'm not bothered what platform it's on for co-op and it should look and play great on PS4 PRO.

I still don't understand these PSN comments people seem to make. It rarely ever goes down for me. Once or twice a year at most. My PC crashing in game is rare, but no more or less frequent than PSN problems I get. Had a bad hat issue and one freeze on the Xbox network the other night, and I've only spent 8 odd hours on it in total.

They're all the same beast in my mind.

I don't find PSN a problem either

Tractor simulators don't actually get that much network traffic though do they

The Massy's turbo charged

to be fair I got no idea how often it goes down, my comment was based on what others said on here

It has never been down for me when using the psn store, or at least not for long enough I can remember, but I dont know if the psn store network is the same as the network for multiplayer gaming.

In reply to a post by Chrysalis:

to be fair I got no idea how often it goes down, my comment was based on what others said on here

It has never been down for me when using the psn store, or at least not for long enough I can remember, but I dont know if the psn store network is the same as the network for multiplayer gaming.

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Thats just the point, some on here don't play as much as others due to time restraints and families' i get that but compared to the Xbox Live service Sony has a lot of catching up to do and the service needs some serious investment, its usually bad when they release say a beta, take Battlefield 1 for instance, ran as smooth as butter on the xbox live service but it literally took me 2 days to connect on PSN,and thats a fact ,ask Jorkila,i actually downloaded the xbox one beta and connected 1st time unlike the psn that still gave server error messages.

And thats just one fine example i could mention many others over the years,i have always had all the consoles so i think when i state what i just said you can believe me as there is no point me putting Sony down for no reason when i probably favour playing games on that console in the first place, thats until the Xbox One S,but i am guessing that may well change again in a few weeks and the release of the Pro.

Did you find out if your new telly supports the right type of HDR for the PS4 Pro?

Is it the same as the Xbox? HDR 10 or something?

PSN was down last night for a lot of people!

You must have talked it up

Whats New on many occasions its down, if you don't game a lot and may be login one day a week then i doubt you notice, you login most nights and you will.

What utter tosh. It's hardly ever down

You sound like a microsoft fan boy

Yeah, I couldn't get on Battlefront. Sod's law...

Its not Utter tosh at all you Farmer,you own very few games so are in no position to comment,psn is down way more often than Microsoft and Fanboy is a stupid idiot name to be using to anyone, how i can be a fanboy when i own all of the consoles pillock

If anything i have always favoured the Playstation but that doesn't make me a fanboy, if you want to use that sort of terminology then it would be basically applied to someone that only ever supported or owned a PC,a Microsoft Xbox One,a Sony Playstation,or a Nintendo system........

So explain how myself and Jorkila and his Son were all playing the time the Dice Servers so you say went down, because we didn't have any problems......

Whether it was Sony or Dice is irrelevant, as it was a DDOS attack. It's just fashionable to blame Sony, but in reality there is little they can do without bankrupting themselves. Xbox is not better protected because it cares more. It's better protected because Xbox Live rolls off of the back of the beast of a server structure that is "Microsoft", simples. Sony's is utterly insignificant in comparison.

Upping the subs doesn't afford them infinite bandwidth protection. Nor Battle.net, nor League of Legends, etc, etc. It would be like buying a snowmobile and letting it rust in the garage, just in case we have an avalanche in Chipping Norton. The money is best spent elsewhere, and users have to not exaggerate 10 or 20 outages a year as a doomsday scenario. I don't expect a refund on my road tax because the M25 is virtually stationary every time I need to use it!

We just have to accept that many people are born with tiny peeneye, and they all seem to enjoy script kiddying...

In reply to a post by mrnelster:

Whether it was Sony or Dice is irrelevant, as it was a DDOS attack. It's just fashionable to blame Sony, but in reality there is little they can do without bankrupting themselves. Xbox is not better protected because it cares more. It's better protected because Xbox Live rolls off of the back of the beast of a server structure that is "Microsoft", simples. Sony's is utterly insignificant in comparison.

Upping the subs doesn't afford them infinite bandwidth protection. Nor Battle.net, nor League of Legends, etc, etc. It would be like buying a snowmobile and letting it rust in the garage, just in case we have an avalanche in Chipping Norton. The money is best spent elsewhere, and users have to not exaggerate 10 or 20 outages a year as a doomsday scenario. I don't expect a refund on my road tax because the M25 is virtually stationary every time I need to use it!

We just have to accept that many people are born with tiny peeneye, and they all seem to enjoy script kiddying...

You have just hit the nail on the head and basically admitted Microsoft has the best server infrastructure which I'm trying to say in simple words to Simples.....

In reply to a post by time2die:

You have just hit the nail on the head and basically admitted Microsoft has the best server infrastructure which I'm trying to say in simple words to Simples.....

I don't think that's in dispute. The claim's that can be found all over gaming comments sections that Sony's network is unreliable is what is daft. "Not as reliable as Xbox Live" is completely different to "unreliable."

The fact that Sony is targeted repeatedly just compounds the problem, particularly as you say, for gamers who are lost without their online connection. I just played Skirmish mode on Battlefront when it went down the other night (the offline online mode, if you know what I mean!). I'm not lost without t for a few days.

The now infamous hack however, was another matter completely!

In reply to a post by time2die:

Its not Utter tosh at all you Farmer,you own very few games so are in no position to comment,psn is down way more often than Microsoft and Fanboy is a stupid idiot name to be using to anyone, how i can be a fanboy when i own all of the consoles pillock

If anything i have always favoured the Playstation but that doesn't make me a fanboy, if you want to use that sort of terminology then it would be basically applied to someone that only ever supported or owned a PC,a Microsoft Xbox One,a Sony Playstation,or a Nintendo system........

I play online more often than you do, the number of games I play is irrelevant. I know for a fact that PSN is very very rarely down

Just read Nellys post. It was a DDOS attack so therefore not PSN down
So there, stick that in your pipe

Edited by deleted (Sun 23-Oct-16 12:12:06)

Only people really in a position to comment about relevant networks are those that own the so called devices and you are not one of them.neither is Nelly and until the time that the pair of you own both or all consoles then you are not in a position to make a valuable comparison regarding networks, the only feedback you can give regarding this matter is what you read online and from others.

Its a bit like me saying that your graphic card is not very good when i don't even have a PC,i can say what i think may be better based on specifications thats about it ?

You can talk about the PSN Network and how it works for you, but unfortunately you can not give a side by side comparison for the above reasons ,myself and Jorkila Can.......Stick that up your Sky Rocket

Edited by time2die (Sun 23-Oct-16 16:29:57)

I don't have kids but I have an opinion about them

Don't be silly. You can't be on the PS Network all of the time and the Xbox live all of the time. Which one is it? Does the PSN still crash all of the time that you're on Xbox Live? How can you tell? But 500 people on the Internet say it's true, so it must be right, right?

Think, and then try answering this question. If something performs better than the competition, does that make the competition rubbish?

I didn't hear anybody slagging the Xbox live service off, just you (irrelevantly) bringing it in as a superior service.

In reply to a post by Lt_Swan:

Just read Nellys post. It was a DDOS attack so therefore not PSN down
So there, stick that in your pipe

I find it odd that someone throwing the fan boy accusation around is actually in denial about this!
It's a DDOS attack against DYN which serves most major online services and affected PSN in a major way and has barely touched xbox live!

Now I have to agree that if you only go online a couple times a week you'll barely ever notice sonys frailties with PSN but if you're on every day or like me have an almost 100% digital library then yes you will suffer from their inferior to Xbox Live service!

It is also true what Nelly has pointed out on numerous occasions that Microsoft should have the better service seeing as they are the leaders when it comes to software and network, it's what they do!

Edited by jorkila (Sun 23-Oct-16 15:40:36)

It's a completely unfair comparison to make. It's the type of comment that shows no real insight (or interest) as to how things actually work. I know he's not a fanboy, but it's still a silly comment to make.

Microsoft does suffer the same problems. The only reason it appears stronger than PSN, is that it doesn't need to rely on sharing bandwidth to mitigate volumetric attacks. Even DYN (the target of this attack) had to rely on other providers to help it recover; this is what it's supposed to do for its own customers. This attack was (in their own words) historic.

Microsoft have 100+ data centres across the globe. I suspect they regularly manage to mitigate DDOS attacks without calling on anybody else for help....so far at least.

Sony are caught in the middle. Too big to be completely covered by companies such as DYN, but not rich enough (whatever the blather about subscription charges) like Google or Apple, to simply pay for Terabytes of bandwidth that only get used when little Tarquin's mum doesn't force him to leave his bedroom every now and then.

Some might answer, "Tough. Get an Xbox!" The adult repsonse is to understand that these things are unavoidable and have a little sympathy for PSN users!

But thats were your wrong see, lets take the Battlefield 1 beta for example to name just one,when trying to play it on the playstation network the first 2 days it was a complete chore with the majority of playstation users experiencing network errors and problems,after many hours of trying i put my xbox one on because i had downloaded it on both consoles, and guess what ? Connected first time no problems whatsoever, so i disconnected and went back to the Playstation network and guess what.......Network error can not connect....

Thats one game and One beta and this has happened on many occasions over the years and I'm not been silly.
Gangland Style

And i tell you something else, the playstation network and online service was a far better service before it became a paid subscription service.........So what they doing with the millions that they now recoup from there millions of user base customers.

Up until the Xbox One S 90% of games i bought were for the playstation 4 which will more than likely carry on when the Pro gets released, but i like exclusives and the Xbox One S and Gears was a no brainer for me.

Edited by time2die (Sun 23-Oct-16 18:57:29)

Who pulled your chain?

Possibly everybody downloading and patching content, then wanting to play at the same time? I think it always does that at launch times. I never ever have slow downloads unless it's November!

I'm not for a moment suggesting that Xbox Live isn't a more stable service. Simply that it's like criticising a rowing boat for not having a helipad, bearing in mind the size of Microsoft's related operations. If MS had 65 million users and were only a gaming platform, they'd probably experience the same issues.

If anything over the years i have favoured the playstation all of the time, but the Xbox One S is right along side the Playstation 4 at present and it will be another option for me until i see what the Pro can do in a few weeks.

I'm always going to support the console that gives me the better performance and graphics regardless when it comes to multi platform games.

I will buy the Nintendo Switch mainly for the new Zelda and the different type of games Nintendo release opposed to the other pair.

I'm really excited about the Switch as long as it has a little bit more in terms of firepower,im betting it still wont be as powerful as the consoles we have at present apart from one guy claiming its on par with the Playstation 4......Will wait to see how true that is in the coming weeks

Internet rumours (for what they're worth!) are claiming 3 hour battery life. For me, that defeats the whole purpose to be honest.

Seeing that Zelda game made me anticipate Horizon Zero Dawn again.

3 hours would literally kill that new Nintendo system dead in the water, people moaned about the Wii U and that was about 5.

I find that highly unlikely to be honest and would say its more in the region of6- 8 hours for this system ..

funny enough my 2 year old tv supports HDR.

It should support that as it has HDR 10.its the latest range from Samsung so if it didn't then Jorkila would get another early Christmas Present

Most of the big companies Like Sony,Samsung,Panasonic,Lg are all choosing the HDR 10 opposed to the slightly better Dolby system which i can not recall the exact name.

The Sony one we had could also be supported if they released a firmware update i dare say but they haven't and i wonder why ?

If i hadn't bought this Xbox One S to be honest i would be none the wiser as i had a 4K tv and i thought that was the top of the range as it was ,never really heard of HDR until a few months back but got the shock of my life when i rigged up the S and then when running the system and HDR settings i was told it didn't support HDR with an error list as long as my arm with most options crossed out.

to rub salt into your wounds, my TV isnt even a high end model. I enabled HDR on my PS4 no problem. Then the TV showed a brief prompt saying HDR mode enabled.

Samsung 32inch cost me about £350.

Edited by Chrysalis (Mon 24-Oct-16 16:08:22)

Could have bought 10 of those for what we paid mid 2013 for our Bravia 55inch,im not convinced it doesn't support HDR to be honest because when i got this new UHD Samsung i had the same initial issues and it was Jorkila mentioning i had to do something in the picture/video settings, once that was done all was fine and dandy, i just don't remember doing this on the Sony.

Jorkila is convinced it doesn't support HDR and the firmware that came out which i downloaded about a week before buying the new set was for HDMI 2.0 Only.

Saying that this Samsung in terms of quality as far as I'm concerned is on another planet, the Sony was drop dead gorgeous but this is way better.

I might temp rig the Sony Set up and check the internal settings, if i find that there is a option for HDR and its off I'm going to be well annoyed.

In reply to a post by time2die:

Jorkila is convinced it doesn't support HDR and the firmware that came out which i downloaded about a week before buying the new set was for HDMI 2.0 Only.

You make it sound like I'm the one that convinced you to ditch the Sony

In reply to a post by Chrysalis:

Samsung 32inch cost me about £350.

I've read on numerous occasions that anything below 50" and 4K really isn't worth it unless you're sitting right on top of it and actually viewing 4K content, which believe me when I say is still pretty sparce!!

Edited by jorkila (Mon 24-Oct-16 19:08:02)

I'll do you a favour and take it off your hands for fifty quid

is 1080p

not wasting money on 4k displays, I dont see the point in it.

HDR is nothing to do with resolution, is just enhanced colour range.

Edited by Chrysalis (Mon 24-Oct-16 20:37:58)

I know what it is but did actually assume that it was exclusive to 4K sets to be honest!

I wonder if timey brought the xbox S just to get HDR without realising his standard PS4 has it? O_o

In reply to a post by Chrysalis:

I wonder if timey brought the xbox S just to get HDR without realising his standard PS4 has it? O_o

I doubt it seeing as there is no HDR content for the PS4, although I did read that BF1 was suposed to have HDR support but it's not any where in the BF1 display options on my One S!!

In reply to a post by Chrysalis:

to rub salt into your wounds, my TV isnt even a high end model. I enabled HDR on my PS4 no problem. Then the TV showed a brief prompt saying HDR mode enabled.

Samsung 32inch cost me about £350.

I'd be interested just to know what model tv you actually have as every article I've found regarding 1080p sets with HDR is that they don't exist!

I cannot get the model number for you yet, as I need to get round the back of the tv to see the sticker. The tv is about 2 years old tho.

Basically when I enabled HDR on the PS4 the screen briefly went back and came on again, and where it says the resolution at the top, it said / HDR after it.

It is a bit odd about these articles claiming HDR is new when it isnt new.

Edited by Chrysalis (Mon 24-Oct-16 23:22:09)

As I said every article I've found say's that it's exclusive to UHD so yeah pretty strange mate!

presumably the manufacturers have asked them to print that so they can sell some UHD tv's.

If it is UHD only then PC's outputting HDR all these years and the standard PS4 wouldnt have the mode.

Pc's outputting HDR to non compatible displays makes no sense!

The current craze for HDR compatible displays and output devices is a lot different to the software method some pc games have used.

This thread seems to explain a lot more.

link is dead mate.

HDR is a fancy name for a software process that has existed for a while, the only hardware requirement is that the display has to support a high enough colour bit depth and can process the appropriate signals.

So timey's theory that his sony tv would work with a simple firmware update is probably very on the ball.

Of course the process used in gedosato and things like sweetfx may not be the exact same algorithm but its the same principle in what it achieves.

I dont know if in the console mechanism if its the GPU or the TV itself controlling the colour output, yes on the PC machanism its all GPU/PC side meaning its essentially compatible with most displays that can output 8bit colours.

According to a AMD statement the HDR spec been pushed by samsung and sony requires 10bit (not 8bit) which I guess is where the name HDR10 comes from. So one could argue the HDR deployed in PC software is a more limited variant as that typically just needs a 8bit display. So this new HDR I see as a HDRv2.

Incidentally my monitor is 10bit capable as are a few other IPS display's, but I can only use 10bit mode if connected via displayport, it wont work on hdmi or DVI.

Currently most console games are optimised for 6 bit displays which is why we seeing such vast improvements with the HDR showed off. You dont get very good whites and blacks with 6bit colours.

It wouldnt surprise me if my tv also is using some kind of in between HDR mode, I think it is just HDR10 itself is whats really new not the entire HDR concept. But I suspect the PS4 can recognise earlier variants and still enables like on my tv.

Remember sony sell tv's, it is benefitical to them to use a HDR implementation that requires people to buy new displays, as I see it the HDR processing can be done either GPU or display side, but the display side variant will obviously have limited display support.

It is a bit like how nvidia's gsync requires displays with their module inside and that way nvidia can make money of display's been sold with those modules (as do the display manufacturers).

Edited by Chrysalis (Tue 25-Oct-16 02:42:50)

Interesting link mate. Like everything else, I suspect it will be a while before the content that really shows it off arrives.

No mate it was time for a upgrade regardless and we generally only keep i tv 2/3 years because of how technology leaps forward.

Im just pondering my thoughts as to the amount of hours i spent trying to get this Xbox One S to work with the HDR aspect on the Sony and I'm not convinced i looked at the appropriate TV settings at the time and what you told me regarding the settings on the New Samsung.

When i picked up the Samsung Sound bar Sunday i told the Samsung rep in the shop about what happened in setting up the S and he should tell other console owners to turn those settings on or they going to have a shock when setting up HDR.

In reply to a post by time2die:

When i picked up the Samsung Sound bar Sunday i told the Samsung rep in the shop about what happened in setting up the S and he should tell other console owners to turn those settings on or they going to have a shock when setting up HDR.

Unless they're lucky like Chrysalis and it turns on automatically!!

In reply to a post by Chrysalis:

link is dead mate.

HDR is a fancy name for a software process that has existed for a while, the only hardware requirement is that the display has to support a high enough colour bit depth and can process the appropriate signals.

So timey's theory that his sony tv would work with a simple firmware update is probably very on the ball.

Of course the process used in gedosato and things like sweetfx may not be the exact same algorithm but its the same principle in what it achieves.

I dont know if in the console mechanism if its the GPU or the TV itself controlling the colour output, yes on the PC machanism its all GPU/PC side meaning its essentially compatible with most displays that can output 8bit colours.

According to a AMD statement the HDR spec been pushed by samsung and sony requires 10bit (not 8bit) which I guess is where the name HDR10 comes from. So one could argue the HDR deployed in PC software is a more limited variant as that typically just needs a 8bit display. So this new HDR I see as a HDRv2.

Incidentally my monitor is 10bit capable as are a few other IPS display's, but I can only use 10bit mode if connected via displayport, it wont work on hdmi or DVI.

Currently most console games are optimised for 6 bit displays which is why we seeing such vast improvements with the HDR showed off. You dont get very good whites and blacks with 6bit colours.

It wouldnt surprise me if my tv also is using some kind of in between HDR mode, I think it is just HDR10 itself is whats really new not the entire HDR concept. But I suspect the PS4 can recognise earlier variants and still enables like on my tv.

Remember sony sell tv's, it is benefitical to them to use a HDR implementation that requires people to buy new displays, as I see it the HDR processing can be done either GPU or display side, but the display side variant will obviously have limited display support.

It is a bit like how nvidia's gsync requires displays with their module inside and that way nvidia can make money of display's been sold with those modules (as do the display manufacturers).

These guys must be wrong then!!

The way I see it is you need 3 things for HDR:
1.A compatible display.
2.Compatible hardware that outputs HDR.
3.HDR content which is still very sparse.

According to this forum the smallest Samsung tv that supports HDR is 40", a recent post too so still not convinced about your 32" matey!

Edited by jorkila (Tue 25-Oct-16 12:12:20)

He is now frantically searching for 32inch Tv model that supports HDR so he can give us the serial number that confirms it

I've only seen it on TV, but the leap from even normal 4K to HDR is incredible....unless we are all being duped! I can't envisage how this could exist on cheap 32" TV's and nobody to have bothered promoting or marketing it until now.

not really, I gave my thoughts on HDR, its up to the individual to choose to believe HDR is some new thing that got invented in 2016 or if it has been around longer.

Those of us who use postprocessing tools such as gedosato know its been around longer as it is one of the post processing options. Even some games in the past have had HDR options in game.

Of course if you just play on consoles so are stuck in a little bubble in terms of technology it can be easy to believe that HDR is a brand new thing simply because its only now consoles have started to adopt it.

Sony says its brand new so that must be true right?

The reason for lack of advertising on TVs would probably be down to lack of standardised spec and as well as lack of marketing value at the time. Its actually not uncommon in hardware to have a feature on older components but only advertise it on newer components to help sell the new stuff.

I still have the box but the model no is not on the box it just says LCD series 5, 32inch, I can tell you it has no smart tv functions so its probably enough info there to find the model. It probably does not list HDR in its spec sheet which I dont care about.

Edited by Chrysalis (Wed 26-Oct-16 03:11:19)

it is a nice change but as I said its nothing new, previous console games have been optimised for 6 bit colours, you can download a sweetfx profile for many common PC games as an example and see the same sort of affect.

I feel as if I am talking to a brick wall here, you guys wont believe me unless sony tells you am I right, you all very loyal to console and it doesnt compute in your head that all HDR is, is a software algorithm to adjust visuals to take advantage of higher colour depths.

The sad thing is the members of this section of the forum is just a few guys who primarily game on console and chat to each other (I am excluded from this part of the group as I dont like multiplayer and not really into FPS either), People who have been gaming on PC for several years like myself know otherwise tho.

Incidently wiki says HDR has been around since the 1980s.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-dynamic-range_video sort of makes a mockery of the claims by the tv manufacturers.

Wiki even shows my initial theory is pretty much bang on, its just HDR10 (and dolby vision its competitor) thats new, not HDR itself.

I googled gedosato adds HDR which seems to be around 2 years ago for gedosato.

was there many 4k tv sets in 2008?

In 2008 with the release of some TV sets with enhanced dynamic range, broadcasting HDR video may become important, but will depend on standardization issues. For this particular application, enhancing current SDR/LDR video signal to HDR by intelligent TV sets seems may be a viable near-term solution.[15] In 2016 TV sets were released that had support for HDR conversion of SDR video with company specific names such as Samsung's HDR+ and Technicolor SA's HDR Intelligent Tone Management.[16][17]

Edited by Chrysalis (Wed 26-Oct-16 03:26:23)

The serial number is listed on the back of the television or you can find it inside in one of the menus.

Who cares. Lets talk about games instead of teles


There are forums that talk about teles

https://www.avforums.com/

No the sad thing is because you use your PC more than most on here makes you an expert just because you've cherry picked a few exerts from the odd article or two that you've found on the internet!!

Now lets get this clear maybe "HDR" has been about for years but software HDR and hardware based HDR are nothing alike and if you get your bum down to Currys you'll see for yourself that your emulated HDR is nothing like the HDR that's being pushed today!!

Monitors that have the required spec to be able to display true HDR (not emulated like sweetfx) cost a small fortune and are very few and far between!! )Like this one for example)

I think I'll stick to taking notice of the various threads on the internet that confirm that the HDR that you're talking about is purely software based emulated "HDR" as apposed to true hardware based HDR that my TV and both consoles support.

Obviously wrong.

Again stating the fact that emulated HDR is not the same thing!

Nvidia article.

Edited by jorkila (Wed 26-Oct-16 11:28:32)

In reply to a post by Chrysalis:

I googled gedosato adds HDR which seems to be around 2 years ago for gedosato.

Again there's a big difference between HDR bloom and HDR of today!!

You maybe right that HDR has been about for years but you're talking software based not hardware and that's what has confused a lot of people hence the many many posts on the internet wanting to know what all the fuss is about!!

And thats a mighty fine forum that i generally use to make all my decisions on my new tech..

My games on pre/order for the rest of 2016.

1/Titanfall 2
2/Infinite Warfare....Legacy Edition.
3/Playstation Pro.
4/Watchdogs 2
5/Killing floor 2
6/The Last Guardian .

May add Dishonoured 2 to that list,Seems sparse going on previous years as November i recall buying about 8 games over the years.

Edited by time2die (Wed 26-Oct-16 11:43:19)

In reply to a post by time2die:

And thats a mighty fine forum that i generally use to make all my decisions on my new tech.

No you don't, you generally ask me and I then give you bad advice

Which is what I said before, the HDR been pushed today is sort of like a version2, it is the new HDR10 variant.

That is very different to sayng there is no HDR until 2016.

My other comments is the sort of reply you get when you guys started getting a bit of an attitude claiming I was making stuff up.

The links you posted also dont say anything different to what I been saying, the HDR I been using on PC is software HDR, that might be seen as "fake" HDR but regardless it is HDR.

It is a bit like saying AES is fake unless you have a cpu that has hardware AES support.

I think the 3 more important questions are.

1 - How much difference is there between 8 bit HDR and 10 bit HDR.

I think the differene will be visually noticeable but not as much as the gap between 6 bit and 8bit HDR variant, because as the bit depth is increased its diminishing returns. Of course going from 6 bit to HDR10 will be very noticeable hence the comments from people who seen HDR for first time.

2 - Does my TV have HDR10

Probably not.

3 - Will normal 1080p screens ever get HDR10.

I would hope so, given it doesnt need 4k, however TV manufacturers are likely to use this as a premium feature to only install on high end screens at least for a few years.

So we do agree its unlikely my tv has HDR10, but given what happened when I enabled on the PS4, I think I have some kind of older variant working.

Edited by Chrysalis (Wed 26-Oct-16 13:42:38)

I question it because it's an option that needs to be enabled on the tv along with it also needing HDMI 2.0a!

I also doubt that 1080p tv's will get HDR as I see 4K eventually becoming the standard but obviously that's just my opinion.

It's certainly stopped me contemplating a new 4K telly!

I'll wait now until the HDR sets get cheaper. Not that I expect to be playing 4K games on my PC anyway. 1080/60 is likely quieter....

In other news, a friend of a friend has just bought an Occuls Rift and is playing Dirt Rally on his GTX1080. Jammy [censored]

Now trying to arrange a friends demo day!

I think eventually 1080p screens will get HDR10 but it will take a while.