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Standard User IranianGiraffe
(experienced) Thu 07-Dec-17 10:21:23
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I got monacoin running but the pools seem dodgy.

suprnova has a bad rep for under reporting hashrate plus the site keeps timing out on me so skipped it.
asicpool siilar issues to suprnova. which I am running at the moment seemed to initially report the correct hashrate but now shows under half of the hashrate which is obviously no good.

nanopool seems to be the only decent pool out there but they only do limited coins.

never used nicehash.

Personally I've never had a problem with Suprnova, I know a lot of people say they under report hashrate etc but I believe most sites base the hashrate they show off the shares you have found at that time (so if you dont find any for ages it will show a much lower hashrate and the same if you find a load in a short time you will have a much higher hashrate than what you acually have) but overall mine seem to pretty much add up fine.
Standard User IranianGiraffe
(experienced) Thu 07-Dec-17 10:57:44
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The problem I have found with switching is you have to bear in mind it can take several days or even weeks to mine enough to make a transaction, so in other words you cant really react to live events with mining, by the time you mined enough to trade/sell the value could be completely different, and if you auto switching you in danger of mining small quantities of lots of different coins which have no value because the quantity isnt high enough to make a transaction.

There is also the problem of finding exchanges that accept the coins you mine, exchanging to a coin that you can trade for USD/GBP as well. Also setting up wallets for them, it can all get very messy and tedious very quickly.

For this reason I did switch back to good old ETH from ZEC in october, even tho ZEC was rated about 10-15% higher on whattomine, its very hard to mine it efficiently (needs high clocks etc. on GPU, whilst ETH can max out at barely half power usage and low temps), and I also had to exchange it ti bitcoin and then send to a second exchange to convert to cash.

However looking at whattomine now things appeared to have gone crazy, ETH has gone up in value, but now something weird has happened, different coins have deviated from ETH's path which didnt happen in the past/ So now we have different coins with massively different profit levels, for a gtx 1070, whattomine claims monacoin is currently 3x as profitable as eth. But what I am also seeing on whattomine is alot of coins are swinging widly in value, way too quick to react to with mining.
I've got 4 exchanges that I use and I have no problems selling the coins for bitcoin and then change that for cash.

e.g. sibcoin is currently 325% of eth value, but the 24h average is only 217% and the 7d average is 47%, thats extremely volatile.

zencash doesnt seem to be doing especially great tho, its raised in value like all the coins but it hasnt sped that far ahead of eth, currently 150% of eth, so about a 30% net gain. The problem been tho I can never hit the claimed mining performance whattoomine uses for its calculations so as such the profits it shows are not achievable for me whilst its ETH's profits are.

Given monacoin has held its value for the past 7 days tho I think thats worth trying providing its reasonably easy to mine as some coins are on this site, but then I find there is no mine or pool for them, or no exchanges that trade them.

I guess that could be true with the coins that are worth a lot as you get so little of them but take Vert Coin for instance at the mo thats got £9 profit a 1080ti at the mo (each coin currently around £6) I can mine 1.5 of them a day with a 1080ti and so have no problems selling in under a day, That's the beauty of mining the lesser value coins you get a fair few of them quickly and can sell easily where as mining say ETH you may need to mine 0.1ETH before the pool will payout etc.

When you say you can't hit the mining performance of whattomine are you talking about the hashrates? so a 1070 equihash is 430 and neoscrypt 1000 etc and you get less than those figures?
If that's the case then do a search for neoscript nvidia miner etc as there are different versions of ccminer that some people have configured to work much better than the default version, for instance I have a version of ccminer that with my 1080ti will get 1000 for neoscript whereas the version that someone has tweaked gets me the 1400 so a 40% increase.
I've probably got about 7 different versions of ccminer that have been modified for different algorithms because of the increase in speed they give so make sure you have a tweaked version of each one but I hit all the estimated hashrates on whattomine with the tweaked versions.

Nicely done on the Bitcoin, My current best profit is I got 1000 Solaris (enough for a masternode) for around £250 and it's currently worth around £1400 but because it's a masternode it basically earns its own coins that nets me £3-4 a day just having it running so I've kept the coins instead of selling them.
Standard User Chrysalis
(legend) Thu 07-Dec-17 12:09:57
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yes the hashrates as well as hashrates accepted by the pool.

right now suprnova the site barely works, it either loads after a long delay or just times out, and the net is flooded with complaints about dodgy hashrates been reported. Maybe its under ddos attack or something I dont know in regards to the broken site.

So I have left it running on but its very volatile and the highest hashrate is not close to what ccminer is reporting.

So ccminer across 2 1070s is reporting consistently about 65.5MH so I guess about 65500KH, this is at 75% power limit.
Whattomine claims 2 1070s should get 71000KH

However as we know what you get paid is based on what the pool reports as your mine rate.

Here is data for 30 min intervals since 9am.

9am 17,000KH
9.30am 32,000KH
10am 56,000KH (highest I seen)
10.30am 9,000KH
11am 12,000KH
11.30am 49,000KH
Now 54,000KH

I also see now monacoin has just had a crash, its now 149% down from 300%, showing that you cannot mine quick enough to keep up with current trends on highly volatile coins.

To get close to ZEC hashrate's on whattomine I had to run my cards around the 70C vs mark temp wise vs 50C on eth, really ramping up fans and pushing power limits quite high. So the figures on whattomine in my opinion are not apples to apples, its way easier to hit the ETH rates on there than the alternative coins.


Now shows 87,000KH hashrate, its all over the place.

Whenever I have used nanopool, either for ZEC or ETH its variance is much less volatile and also is presented in a graph, with 6 hour average etc. Usually it is not far off the actual hashrate over its 6 hour average.

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Edited by Chrysalis (Thu 07-Dec-17 12:17:20)

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Standard User Chrysalis
(legend) Thu 07-Dec-17 12:21:23
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thanks on the tips about trying the tweaked versions, I will look for them. I will also consider nicehash when it comes back online.

Yeah I kept quiet on the bitcoin purchase as I felt I was an idiot at the time, and didnt want to tell anyone, but seems it did pay off, I just held it and hoped for another jump in value.

But it does seem to me the real profit is easier to make by just purchasing coins outright instead of mining. Although the advantage of mining is if you already have the hardware (For gaming purposes).

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Edited by Chrysalis (Thu 07-Dec-17 12:22:54)

Standard User IranianGiraffe
(experienced) Thu 07-Dec-17 12:49:05
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Yeah like I said the hash rate will be all over the place because most sites hash rate is based on when you earn shares as with almost all pools you only earn some coin when 1) you've found some shares and even then you don't get anything unless 2) your pool is the pool that finds the block, So if you are at a pool that finds a pool every other minute and you have 0.01% of that hashrate then you will get 0.3% in an hour where as you could be at another pool that only finds a block every 6 hours but as it's a smaller pool you have a much bigger % and you can get that 1.8% from that one block (but you wont have any coins until it finds that block), So you basically end up with the same amount it's just one you get a much faster average where as the other you will have a lot of peaks and valleys, Over a 24/48hr period the amounts should even out.

Even though you mention the Monacoin crash (more people are mining it because of the high profit) it's still so much higher than ETH for a 1080ti etc £5.58 vs £1.78 and Monacoin isn't even the highest, VertCoin and Electronium are the current highest of a 1080ti of £8-£9 a day.

Just out of interest how much Monacoin have you mined in those 3hrs???.

Edited by IranianGiraffe (Thu 07-Dec-17 12:50:22)

Standard User Chrysalis
(legend) Thu 07-Dec-17 13:00:08
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I have no confirmed or unconfirmed balance. This seems slow to credit anything.

nanopool is the same its based on shares, but its nowhere near this volatile, and its averaged evened out close to the expected hashrate.

With suprnova the complaints are from people mining for several days and not getting close to their hash rates at any point.

For the 1070 monacoin was the top rated coin up until an hour or so ago. So it was top when I started, I am not a person who is going to be switching coins several times a day based on live currency values. That to me isnt worth it, and will also lead me to have too many coins spread thinly.

Interestingly ccminer is only utilising 90% of my gpu, so I am definitely interested in trying to find an optimised build for this algorithm if I can, am looking at the moment for one. Normally i have issues with miners pushing the GPU too hard and making the system lag, but ccminer is the opposite.


gpu1 now 34.5mh gpu 2 36mh, so combined about 70mh

utilisation now 98-99%

using this fork

Await to see what the pool reports now as well.

This is more like it

[2017-12-07 13:09:19] accepted: 14/14 (diff 0.558), 71.42 MH/s yes!
[2017-12-07 13:09:21] GPU #0: Zotac GTX 1070, 35.15 MH/s
[2017-12-07 13:09:21] accepted: 15/15 (diff 0.482), 71.40 MH/s yes!
[2017-12-07 13:09:23] GPU #1: Zotac GTX 1070, 36.23 MH/s
[2017-12-07 13:09:23] accepted: 16/16 (diff 3.264), 71.41 MH/s yes!
[2017-12-07 13:09:24] accepted: 17/17 (diff 0.045), 71.35 MH/s yes!
[2017-12-07 13:09:26] accepted: 18/18 (diff 0.117), 71.33 MH/s yes!
[2017-12-07 13:09:26] accepted: 19/19 (diff 0.152), 71.37 MH/s yes!

The problem now is my worker is not showing as logged in and site reporting zero hashrate.

Some info here about suprnova hashrates.

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Edited by Chrysalis (Thu 07-Dec-17 13:20:16)

Standard User Chrysalis
(legend) Thu 07-Dec-17 16:49:02
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well on this ccminer the reported hashrate on the pool has more than doubled.

instead of going from like 17 to 50 mh its now more like 35-120mh with it spending most of the time in the 50s.
the reported worker rate is hovering in the low 70s matching what the miner reports.

unconfirmed has started moving, currently at 0.29, which I would guesstimate at current mona value would be about 8-12usd for the first 24 hours. I dont know why it took 90k shares and over 6 hours to start moving, but now its moving up every 10 mins or so.

I read somewhere there will always be outstanding unprocessed payments, and if you stop mining you never get them credited. Which I dont like but it is what it is, as I will stop mining this at some point.

If I averaged 10usd day then thats 300usd a month a fair return compared to eth, but I think mona is on a plunge and within a week I will be back on eth or nicehash as I think the other coins at the top of whattomine are also on short lived success paths as well.

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Edited by Chrysalis (Thu 07-Dec-17 16:49:19)

Standard User IranianGiraffe
(experienced) Thu 07-Dec-17 17:43:57
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I know all about the hash rates that people complain about on Suprnova etc you get people complaining about pretty much every mining pool, I'm always pretty close on most sites so I'm happy as its obviously onlly an estimate.

There are also older versions of mining software that are not optimized and as the link you posted about Suprnova someone posted that there are also versions of ccminer that were not sending all the shares it should have due to an error.

0.29 Mona is currently around £3.19 which according to Whattomine is what you would have got in 24hrs with ETH so it's madness just to mine ETH at the mo.

The increased profit at the moment is purely down to the fact that Nicehash is down and a lot of those miners are not mining coins themselves, So the prices will take a nosedive when the Nicehash returns (if it does, apparently they lost 4700 bitcoins so trying to sort that out will be a nightmare).

Glad to see getting that version of CCMiner is giving you more speed tho and like I said if you are not getting the speed or close to the speed whattomine quote for certain algorithsms then do a search for them as I can get the speeds they say on 66% power on 1080 and 75% power on a 1080ti.

I also am seeing some lag on Suprnova with Monacoin (on the front screen it says no one is mining it) so I'm guessing it is having issues although it seems to report the amounts when it finally does update.
Standard User Chrysalis
(legend) Thu 07-Dec-17 17:55:35
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I missed a zero frown

unconfirmed is actually 0.029 not 0.29 sorry.

Its also stopped going up again.

So about 30p for half a day? not bad.

Seems another dodgy pool tongue but maybe it will catch up overnight, I will give it a chance to.

Transaction History
ID Date TX Type Status Payment Address TX # Block # Amount
910670 2017-12-08 01:11:38 Fee Unconfirmed 1182687 0.00014693
910669 2017-12-08 01:11:38 Credit Unconfirmed 1182687 0.02938698

earnings data
Credit Bonus Debit AP Debit MP Donation Fee TXFee
Last Hour 0.00000000 0.00000000 0.00000000 0.00000000 0.00000000 0.00000000 0.00000000
Last Day 0.02938698 0.00000000 0.00000000 0.00000000 0.00000000 0.00014693 0.00000000
Last Week 0.02938698 0.00000000 0.00000000 0.00000000 0.00000000 0.00014693 0.00000000
Last Month 0.02938698 0.00000000 0.00000000 0.00000000 0.00000000 0.00014693 0.00000000
Last Year 0.02938698 0.00000000 0.00000000 0.00000000 0.00000000 0.00014693 0.00000000

This system is to blame maybe, nanopool doesnt use it per block but instead per 20 mins "Pay Per Last N Shares (PPLNS)"

Seems the last block was a ***** to get tho I wonder if thats had an affect, check out the actual shares vs expected and %.

Note these times are clearly not UK time zone.

Last Found Blocks
Height Finder Time Difficulty Amount Expected Shares Actual Shares Percentage
1182687 befocus 12/08/2017 01:04:30 55,496.1399 25.00 14,207,012 90,680,480 638.28
1182250 anonymous 12/07/2017 13:45:34 39,238.6142 25.00 10,045,085 2,401,067 23.90
1182236 nyan 12/07/2017 13:20:30 42,703.0480 25.01 10,931,980 3,246,883 29.70
1182211 anonymous 12/07/2017 12:46:12 39,066.9362 25.14 10,001,136 3,327,290 33.27
1182193 anonymous 12/07/2017 12:07:07 62,370.5982 25.48 15,966,873 2,157,749 13.51

So yesterday was averaging one block per 30-40 mins, then today took 11 hours 20 mins for one block, ouch.

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Edited by Chrysalis (Thu 07-Dec-17 18:15:25)

Standard User Lt_Swan
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Thu 07-Dec-17 17:56:47
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Which coins?

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My card isn't powerful enough to mine with but I want to get some coins. Which are the best just to buy?
Thanks smile

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