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(deleted) Sun 10-Jan-10 18:32:58
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REIN afflicted line - chances of getting it investigated?


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1st post here.

Moved to new build house, long line from Basingstoke exchange provisioned through Post Office who then got BT Openreach to do the real install. Line from front of property to internal master socket is Cat 5e & BT Engineer used ADSL v1.0 faceplate so in theory local internal house wiring is removed from the speed equation. Tested 2 Modems (Draytek 120/Speedtouch 510v4) with similar results.

From the Draytek:
--------------------------- ATU-R Info (hw: annex A, f/w: annex A) -----------
DSL Modulation : G.DMT
State : SHOWTIME
DS Actual Rate : 3584000 bps US Actual Rate : 448000 bps
DS Attainable Rate : 3968000 bps US Attainable Rate : 1044000 bps
DS Path Mode : Interleave US Path Mode : Interleave
DS Interleave Depth : 0 US Interleave Depth : 0
NE Current Attenuation : 49 dB Cur SNR Margin : 8 dB
DS actual PSD : 19. 2 dB US actual PSD : 11. 9 dB
ADSL Firmware Version : 332201_A
-------------------------------- ATU-C Info ---------------------------------
Far Current Attenuation : 29 dB Far SNR Margin : 21 dB
CO ITU Version[0] : 0000414c CO ITU Version[1] : 00004342
DSLAM CHIPSET VENDOR : < ALA >

Initial install & test by BT engineer suggested sync rates of around 6Mb, which is better than I was expecting. Initially I did indeed achieve circa 5.5Mb sync rates but stability has been variable and of late things have 'settled' at 3.5Mb sync. This is slightly disappointing so I set about monitoring modem stats using 'routerstats'. This in essence has shown that there is some interference on the line. No intereference and I'll see around a 14dB SNR margin for a 3.5Mb sync, but as you can see from the above, my line is currently in 'interference mode' whereby it gets around 8dB of SNR and clocks up quite a few (thousand) CRC errors in a short space of time. The Draytek handles the line a little better than the ancient speedtouch but there really isn't that much in in it.

The interference comes and goes as a 'step function'. ie. 1 hour it's not there, then within a 30 sec timeframe I'll see the SNR margin drop 6dB or more for a period of time. Sometimes it's an hour, today it's been on constantly from 11:40 this am. I'm logging things with a view to working out a pattern and since I've only just started (yesterday & today) patterns are vague at best smile One pattern I do see is an overall change of circa 2dB SNR Margin worse at night vs day, but then I'd expect that. What I didn't expect was a 'random' step change of 6dB+ that can happen at 'any' time.....that would seem to me to be 'unusual' at best, a fault at worst.

I've listened on an AM radio tuned to around 600KHz for 'stuff' and can hear quite a nasty buzz/crackling underneath everything....I'm waiting for my modem to report an improve SNR and I'll go and check the radio again to see if that buzz/crackle has gone.

So bearing in mind the above (limited stats), realistically, what are my chances of getting Post Office broadband/BT Openreach to investigate this?

Thanks in advance,

Kevin
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(deleted) Sun 10-Jan-10 19:33:28
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Are all your phones filtered? skyboxes etc? Is the ringwire disconnected?
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(deleted) Sun 10-Jan-10 19:38:52
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Hi
Can you post your Routerstats graph showing RX noise

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(deleted) Sun 10-Jan-10 21:05:42
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No idea how to post a graph. Here's the raw data from one of the drops, which gives a good idea of what's going on. PS: TX Noise isn't collected, sorry, bizarre modem stats page!

Sun 10 Jan 2010 11:39:30 Rx-Noise=15 Tx-Noise=0 Rx-Sync=3584000 Tx-Sync=448000
Sun 10 Jan 2010 11:39:50 Rx-Noise=15 Tx-Noise=0 Rx-Sync=3584000 Tx-Sync=448000
Sun 10 Jan 2010 11:40:10 Rx-Noise=14 Tx-Noise=0 Rx-Sync=3584000 Tx-Sync=448000
Sun 10 Jan 2010 11:40:30 Rx-Noise=14 Tx-Noise=0 Rx-Sync=3584000 Tx-Sync=448000
Sun 10 Jan 2010 11:40:50 Rx-Noise=14 Tx-Noise=0 Rx-Sync=3584000 Tx-Sync=448000
Sun 10 Jan 2010 11:41:10 Rx-Noise=13 Tx-Noise=0 Rx-Sync=3584000 Tx-Sync=448000
Sun 10 Jan 2010 11:41:30 Rx-Noise=13 Tx-Noise=0 Rx-Sync=3584000 Tx-Sync=448000
Sun 10 Jan 2010 11:41:50 Rx-Noise=13 Tx-Noise=0 Rx-Sync=3584000 Tx-Sync=448000
Sun 10 Jan 2010 11:42:10 Rx-Noise=13 Tx-Noise=0 Rx-Sync=3584000 Tx-Sync=448000
Sun 10 Jan 2010 11:42:30 Rx-Noise=12 Tx-Noise=0 Rx-Sync=3584000 Tx-Sync=448000
Sun 10 Jan 2010 11:42:50 Rx-Noise=12 Tx-Noise=0 Rx-Sync=3584000 Tx-Sync=448000
Sun 10 Jan 2010 11:43:10 Rx-Noise=11 Tx-Noise=0 Rx-Sync=3584000 Tx-Sync=448000
Sun 10 Jan 2010 11:43:30 Rx-Noise=11 Tx-Noise=0 Rx-Sync=3584000 Tx-Sync=448000
Sun 10 Jan 2010 11:43:50 Rx-Noise=11 Tx-Noise=0 Rx-Sync=3584000 Tx-Sync=448000
Sun 10 Jan 2010 11:44:10 Rx-Noise=11 Tx-Noise=0 Rx-Sync=3584000 Tx-Sync=448000
Sun 10 Jan 2010 11:44:30 Rx-Noise=11 Tx-Noise=0 Rx-Sync=3584000 Tx-Sync=448000
Sun 10 Jan 2010 11:44:50 Rx-Noise=11 Tx-Noise=0 Rx-Sync=3584000 Tx-Sync=448000
Sun 10 Jan 2010 11:45:10 Rx-Noise=10 Tx-Noise=0 Rx-Sync=3584000 Tx-Sync=448000
Sun 10 Jan 2010 11:45:30 Rx-Noise=10 Tx-Noise=0 Rx-Sync=3584000 Tx-Sync=448000
Sun 10 Jan 2010 11:45:50 Rx-Noise=10 Tx-Noise=0 Rx-Sync=3584000 Tx-Sync=448000
Sun 10 Jan 2010 11:46:10 Rx-Noise=9 Tx-Noise=0 Rx-Sync=3584000 Tx-Sync=448000
Sun 10 Jan 2010 11:46:30 Rx-Noise=9 Tx-Noise=0 Rx-Sync=3584000 Tx-Sync=448000

Still waiting for it to improve again this eve, I'm sure it will, just a case of when.

Here's yesterday evening's sudden improvement after having suddenly dropped at around 15:10.

Sat 09 Jan 2010 18:37:54 Rx-Noise=8 Tx-Noise=0 Rx-Sync=3584000 Tx-Sync=448000
Sat 09 Jan 2010 18:38:14 Rx-Noise=8 Tx-Noise=0 Rx-Sync=3584000 Tx-Sync=448000
Sat 09 Jan 2010 18:38:34 Rx-Noise=8 Tx-Noise=0 Rx-Sync=3584000 Tx-Sync=448000
Sat 09 Jan 2010 18:38:54 Rx-Noise=10 Tx-Noise=0 Rx-Sync=3584000 Tx-Sync=448000
Sat 09 Jan 2010 18:39:14 Rx-Noise=13 Tx-Noise=0 Rx-Sync=3584000 Tx-Sync=448000
Sat 09 Jan 2010 18:39:34 Rx-Noise=13 Tx-Noise=0 Rx-Sync=3584000 Tx-Sync=448000
Sat 09 Jan 2010 18:39:54 Rx-Noise=13 Tx-Noise=0 Rx-Sync=3584000 Tx-Sync=448000
Sa

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(deleted) Sun 10-Jan-10 21:13:36
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All extensions are off the filtered section of the ADSL v1.0 faceplate. As far as I understand it, the only 'direct to line' connection is the RJ11 going to the ADSL modem....that cable of which I've shortened down to about 2ft. I've considered making a 2ft 'twisted pair' drop cable from loads of cat5e I've lying about here, but I really don't think 2ft of 'flat cable' vs 'twisted pair' is going to make *that* much difference.

On the basis everything is via the filtered port, there are no ADSL filters to install/replace and there's no need to cut the ring wire. I've tried disconnecting all extensions (sky+ box + some DECT phones) no difference in SNR margin as I expected.
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(fountain of knowledge) Sun 10-Jan-10 22:51:50
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In reply to a post by kevindb:
I've considered making a 2ft 'twisted pair' drop cable from loads of cat5e I've lying about here, but I really don't think 2ft of 'flat cable' vs 'twisted pair' is going to make *that* much difference.


You'll find the Cat5 RJ45 plugs into the ADSL1.0 faceplate without issue; and some routers come with RJ45 plugs for the line. (Since RJ11's fit in the middle of the 45).

I know going to a 2ft twisted cable from my ADSL1.0 faceplate to my router increased my download quite a lot when I was on bulldog's 16meg service 2.5 years ago.

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Don't hold your breath. BT have been investigating instability on my line for 5 months now.... including a REIN engineer and his pal who wandered around my house with a couple of transistor radios, and pronounced everything that made their radios buzz as a likely candidate (including an old burglar alarm cable that wasn't even connected !). They have now pronounced my line as "clear", even though they have to set a SNR margin of 16dB to make the line hold a sync for more than 72 hours at a time.

During the REIN investigations, one of the BT guys suggested that the fault on my line could be that I had "too many ethernet switches", which was causing the REN on my line to be exceeded. I just nodded and let him get on with it. BTO are a bunch of worthless clowns.

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In reply to a post by kevindb:
there's no need to cut the ring wire.
Why not?
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In reply to a post by BatBoy:
In reply to a post by kevindb:
there's no need to cut the ring wire.
Why not?


Because he has a filtered faceplate. No need.
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In reply to a post by zebedeee:
In reply to a post by BatBoy:
In reply to a post by kevindb:
there's no need to cut the ring wire.
Why not?


Because he has a filtered faceplate. No need.
The ringwire has a direct path back to the ADSL connection to introduce RF interference.
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