cannot find A PROPER ISP

I cannot seem to find an ISP which can support what I need, well I do have one in one of my houses and offices - BeThere, but they dont cover everything, only big towns. I am moving home now and struggleing to find something useful in the area.
Area is covered by BT and I've got a BT line, but not many ISPs in that area.
Requirements are:

-nice speed, preferrably high outgoing, more than 256 kbps.
-block of 8/16 IPs (paying extra is not a problem)
-ability to turn router in to a bridge mode (no-NAT)
-no download limits (fair usage)
-no stupid restrictions on outgoing mail (like BT has or VirginMedia)

Can someone point me out of where I can find one?
Thank you very much.

Which exchange?

Do I gather you want a line for business use? Just so we don't suggest a package that doesn't allow it, or isn't suitable for other reasons.

It doesn't matter does it - the difference between home and business as long as i am prepared to pay for extras.
No need for support at all (only in case of line fault or something similar).
Don't really care - my home and office both connected "virtually" the way I run business at home and office it is hard to say where is home or office
i just need number of static ips for certain things available from the house.

EXCHANGE is Langton NDLAN Kent South East

Appreciate your time fellas.

In reply to a post by lamer:

It doesn't matter does it - the difference between home and business as long as i am prepared to pay for extras.

Not sure about if the broadband package matters, but if you get a domain (.co.uk) with a residential contract, it can't be used for business purposes.

It's none of my business, but 8-16 IPs would probably mean 5-13 useable ones, which would be quite a lot of IPs for a single residential connection to serve if there's reasonable demand on the 'nodes' in such a setup. If you get 8 Meg (6 meg actual speed), that's not much to share around. Upload speeds will be far worse. Just saying.

Referring to my onw ISP (Plusnet), here's some info on the hoops you might have to jump through. For a start, you'll have to take a business or SDSL product. More info:

http://www.plus.net/support/service/policies/IP_bloc...

16 IP Block /28

* A 16 IP block provides 14 usable IP addresses (1 for the router and 14 for servers, PC, etc.).
* A RIPE form is required and must be attached to the Ticket, this can be created at the Usertools RIPE Form page. An example form is available to show how it is completed.
* The customer must justify why they need a 16 IP block rather than a single IP, 8 block or 4 block.
* A 16 IP block must be authorised by our network services team and entered into the RIPE Map.

Food for thought.

...and from the RIPE form:

Ripe Form Generator
Ripe Form for Multiple IP Addresses
IP Block Requests

IP Blocks may be allocated to customers, free of charge, provided they have an appropriate account type and are prepared to justify their IP usage and that their requirement cannot be met using a single IP with network address translation and port forwarding -Further guidance on this is provided below.

IPs will be alocated on a need only basis, with the smallest IP block possible being assigned based on the customers request and requirements. We do not provide support to customers on configuring their IP address ranges.

There's more on that form about which packages, but I think it's an older form, and refers to older products.

all exchanges have 832k upload on Max Premium from BT Wholesale.
Several ISPs will do the IP block - Entanet resellers for example, IDNet, Zen, etc
Use your own router and do what you want with it

Don't understand what you mean about the outgoing mail restriction - please expand.

By "no download limits (fair usage)" do you mean no FUP or what ? Is a GB/month limit above what you use OK. Not sure anyone doesn't have an FUP, though some don't enforce it much.

camieabz answers re some possible problems.

Your requirements are, with most ISPs, far more easily met by true business packages. I have no idea why that should be so .

You may have to ring one or all of the following to check details. Several quote uploads of over 1Mbps, but of course you can only get 448 or 832kbps on your exchange and not all such packages provide the 832kbps option.

The first one for instance, you probably know, (but I don't) how many IP addresses the spec means:-

Newnet Office premium;
IDNet Business Premium, perhaps with the "Protected" option;
Zen Office Max;

Then there is AAISP. Their prices as per the website almost certainly will not suit you, but I imagine they have tailored individual business products available on request at realistic cost.

If that sort of "Proper" ISP for serious business use isn't what you were thinking about, then you could look at the Home/SOHO products from the same ones, plus the Home/Office ranges from an Entanet reseller at more consumer-level prices and unlimited off-peak.

See these comparisons.
And this one, removing Be which was there just for rating comparison, and adding AAISP.

You know your needs better than me but from what you are saying you need I think you'd be far better off leasing a dedicated server machine in a proper data centre which you just control from your home connection. No ADSL has fast enough upload to justify running the number of servers your IP block requirement suggests you intend.

try Netplan or Goscomb technologies, these are both business class ISPs; the former doesn't have any download limits nor any fair usage policies

thanks for the info camieabz, I already have Plus.net, they give block of IPs after filling RIPE form but they don't allow to turn routers in to a bridge mode (tech support keeps repeating "we are not trained for this").
in fact by doing nslookup on IP addresses they gave me - some of them still have domain names (not mine), so there is no solution from plus.net, they give you IPs but you can't use it - very strange.

use your own router ? there's a difference between "supporting" and "allowing", but you don't need to be in bridge mode to use multiple static IPs anyway.

Hi Yarwell, well, maybe this is a solution.
I've got router supplied by PlusNet (Thomson 585v7) and couple of my own routers (Thomson 585v7 and Dlink i think, it doesnt really matter - i can buy a new one if needed.)
Could you tell me how to make it work?
Plusnet router doesnt have a Template in Setup Wizard for this.

Routed IP so long as you have a router which does not have crippled custom firmware.

Sorry, can't help much but you stated in your initial post that you did not need ISP support and then complain that Plusnet can't help you in putting a router into bridge mode. That seems a contradiction to me as if you had good ISP support they would be able to help you.

If you need that sort of support then one of the better ISPs such as AAISP may be better for you even though it could cost more.

In reply to a post by ian72:

Sorry, can't help much but you stated in your initial post that you did not need ISP support and then complain that Plusnet can't help you in putting a router into bridge mode. That seems a contradiction to me as if you had good ISP support they would be able to help you.

If you need that sort of support then one of the better ISPs such as AAISP may be better for you even though it could cost more.

Even the "Subject" seems to be invalid. Several posters have suggested business level solutions that fit it and the later requirements specification, but they have all been ignored in favour of possibly the cheapest (but generally fit for purpose) consumer ISP on the market .

AAISP on a BT Wholesale line offer everything you have requested except "no download limits", which is not financially viable for them. They sell "units" of usage instead, which roll-over if you don't exhaust them in a month.


( Satisfied AAISP user )