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Standard User b4dger
(knowledge is power) Wed 23-Feb-11 11:11:08
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I've recently reported to Openreach (via their website - report 'damage' link) information about a large silver birch tree that's toppled over and it being held up mostly by a main (thick) overhead phone cable.

The tree is around 10" in diameter and 50'+ long. I've sent photos and a map location to OR hoping that they would remove it before any damage is done.

At the weekend they contacted me to thank me for the info and said it would be done as a priority (I nearly fainted!).

Now they've just told me that Openreach are not responsible for tree cutting and the tree owner or council should do it.

The tree is part of some woodland in an unadopted road so I'm pretty sure the council won't be interested.

I've written back to OR saying it looks like we'll just have to wait until the cable has been brought to the ground before getting them to replace it! I was only trying to save OR some expense and their customers some inconvenience frown

Stuff like this MAKES ME WANT TO SCREAM!!! tongue


This previous TBB post seemed to go better for the OP...

Standard User undecidedadrian
(learned) Wed 23-Feb-11 11:35:16
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Contact your local paper, they usually like stories like this.

They will usually phone BT's press office who then scrabble about trying to get it fixed so the paper doesn't run the story.
Standard User MHC
(legend) Wed 23-Feb-11 11:38:52
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Why not get the owner of the land to sort the tree out? It is his tree causing damage not the other way round.





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Standard User kwikbreaks
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Wed 23-Feb-11 11:43:13
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Maybe because it's a lot easier to figure out who owns a phone line than who owns a tree?



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Standard User undecidedadrian
(learned) Wed 23-Feb-11 11:45:27
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land ownership is not always straight forward.

You normally have to pay the land registry a fee to see who is down on the register as the owner. Our local council had a hell of a job trying to get in touch with a building owner as the building was falling down and the land registry had a foreign holding company who didn't reply to any letters.

This woodland could also be common land which means the council may be responsible but they may not bother as there is no imment danger to people.
Standard User b4dger
(knowledge is power) Wed 23-Feb-11 12:07:17
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Thanks for the replies.

As others are saying finding and contacting the land owner isn't straightforward.
The road (so the verge) is unadopted but not private. So the council won't be interested but there isn't a land owner as such.

Standard User 5km
(knowledge is power) Fri 25-Feb-11 12:26:15
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Does it affect your line?

If No ignore, it is not worth wasting your time.

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Standard User b4dger
(knowledge is power) Fri 25-Feb-11 14:21:37
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Not at the moment. The weight of the fallen tree is resting on the line and some surrounding trees - otherwise it would be on the ground.

As time goes on damage could be done - it's obviously not going to help!

Anonymous
(Unregistered)Fri 25-Feb-11 14:29:19
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Actual problem is ownership of the TREE. Openreach cannot cut it as it is not theirs and this would be criminal damage. (could also be an envoirnmental issue, as you not allowed to cut mature trees down without a permit).

They are allowed to trim the tree to prevent damage but that would not work in this case.

Less cost to Openreach to let the damage occur than pay damages/fines for cutting the tree before it is on the ground.

Stupid laws and interpretation by the courts.
Standard User b4dger
(knowledge is power) Fri 25-Feb-11 18:07:30
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So are they allowed to bill the 'owner' (if they can find one!) when their cable gets pulled to the ground? tongue

Can they winch the tree off their equipment without causing 'criminal damage'?

NB. The tree is lying at 45 degrees and silver birches are normally classed as 'weeds' - not proper trees wink

*Bonkers Britain* frown

Anonymous
(Unregistered)Fri 25-Feb-11 18:39:34
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The Large cable sounds like a bt Aerial cable that would have a number of customer circuits going through it. Openreach engineers are not allowed to cut trees but if it is likely to damage and cause faults they would cut it. if the branch is too big then the engineer could email a form called an a1024 that has an option for tree cutting to be done by a contractor at a later date.
Standard User b4dger
(knowledge is power) Sat 26-Feb-11 09:43:13
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Thanks for that - that would make sense.

Here's a photo: BT Openreach Tree on line line!

The line serves around a dozen properties or so.
The tree is at least 10" in diameter at ground level and appears to have rotted off.
IRL it looks like the tree is putting a lot of weight on the line.

I thought I was helping Openreach by reporting this - which they initially thanked me for. Before getting back to me with a 'not our problem' email. I replied explaining the land ownership situation and said it looks like I'll just have to wait until the line is pulled to the floor before they come out to replace it. No reply to that...

If I see a BT van around I'll ask him to raise a 'a1024' if I can! smile

Standard User BatBoy
(legend) Sat 26-Feb-11 11:01:45
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That silver birch is dead so there's no planning permission required to cut it down.
Can I have the wood?



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Standard User b4dger
(knowledge is power) Sat 26-Feb-11 11:55:15
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You'll have to ask the council or the land owner, it's nothing to do with me! tongue

Standard User RobertoS
(sensei) Sat 26-Feb-11 11:58:58
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Or you PM him the grid reference of the tree and everyone could end up happy tongue.

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Standard User cheshire_man
(fountain of knowledge) Sat 26-Feb-11 14:48:49
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Or just send him a cable grin

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Standard User andyboygsi
(member) Sat 26-Feb-11 21:35:38
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we can pre-emptively cut/remove trees in situations like that, its must better than the inevitable span renewal that would otherwise be recovered.

report it again, you could say you are worried about safety etc.

if the manager has any sense he will give the tree cutting a green light.

these comments are my own and in no way represent any company that i may or may not be linked too.

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Anonymous
(Unregistered)Sun 27-Feb-11 20:28:09
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In reply to a post by andyboygsi:
if the manager has any sense he will give the tree cutting a green light.


thats a very big IF there wink
Standard User b4dger
(knowledge is power) Tue 01-Mar-11 11:34:03
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Thanks for that.
I've had another attempt at reporting it through the Openreach site.

I've used some of your comments and anon's about 'a1024' earlier and asked them to think again and get a second opinion...




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Standard User b4dger
(knowledge is power) Tue 22-Mar-11 14:23:39
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Update...

After opening up a new Openreach case and then chasing, chasing, chasing after weeks of no reply frown

Finally got a reply on Sunday:
"plant protection manager has tried to investigate this matter with no avail..."

They went on to say they are unable to proceed without a post code etc. !!!???

So I pointed out to them I had provided full postal address, post code, longitude/latitude of fallen tree, photo, line drawing showing tree location so there's not much more I can do to help.

Got a phone call from a BT surveyor this morning - at the end of my lane looking for the tree smile Told him I'd be there in 5 minutes. Thoroughly Nice chap. Saw the tree and immediately agreed they will do something about it before it brings the line down!
Was apologetic over how OR had handled my report when I explained things to him...

Hopefully the tree will be removed in the next couple of weeks smile

It might just me, but why do you have to FIGHT for everything these days! frown
Pull your socks up Great Britain...

Standard User Technode_
(fountain of knowledge) Wed 23-Mar-11 18:56:20
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but why do you have to FIGHT for everything these days!

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Standard User b4dger
(knowledge is power) Thu 24-Mar-11 09:01:54
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Perhaps not all sorted yet...

The OR "Overhead Network Surveyor" who I met and immediately agreed the tree needs removing before bringing the line down and causing expensive repairs has phoned back (twice). Seems his bosses are still asking the same old questions and don't sound quite a keen as him (and me!) to resolve this frown

I left him with the "if OR don't do something it will break their kit" argument, which he agreed with.

Standard User b4dger
(knowledge is power) Mon 28-Mar-11 12:27:15
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On Saturday I received this email from BTOR:

The Openreach complaints group has been notified by the Plant protection officer at our engineering group has now obtained necessary legal permission to execute tree cutting and has submitted the necessary paperwork to have a job estimates raise for said work to be executed.

Sounded good smile

This morning I get a call from BT - "You need to ask the council to remove the tree"! frown

*sigh*
I explained it all over again and he's gone off to do some checking...

Standard User RobertoS
(sensei) Mon 28-Mar-11 13:03:28
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tongue
You could of course relieve your frustration by booking a week's holiday elsewhere, then before departing get as far up that tree as you dare and start jumping up and down until it brings the line down. Or for more leverage throw a rope round it higher up, tie the bottom, and jump up and down on the rope. Just get out from under quick as it drops!

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Standard User b4dger
(knowledge is power) Mon 28-Mar-11 13:08:37
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Going by current progress I'm not sure one week holiday will do it! tongue

Standard User b4dger
(knowledge is power) Fri 20-May-11 16:16:57
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Hurrah! smile

I've been chasing BT Openreach for an update at regular intervals - with no joy.
No reply to my emails!?

Sent one a week (polite notes) for the last 3 weeks and on the last one mentioned that it's annoying/frustrating not get any replies!
On the last one I said that I'll assume no one is reading my notes if I don't hear back and I'll start from scratch and open a new OR 'case'. I got a reply the next day saying the tree would be removed in the next 10 days - that was yesterday.

This morning the tree has gone smile

So 3 months later and many many emails and phone calls a 50' tree has been removed from the overhead cable.

There's efficiency for you - I can't see why sometimes people say BT Openreach have a bad reputation... tongue

Anonymous
(Unregistered)Fri 20-May-11 18:51:25
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If its not service affecting then it is done on a lower priority.
Standard User RobertoS
(sensei) Fri 20-May-11 21:29:57
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Well done! You may now have post-traumatic stress symptoms. I suggest a bottle of champagne or at least a decent bottle of wine as a remedy.

Interesting, your final thrust that triggered action!

I wonder if "Openreach" is a typo for "Overreach"?

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(moderator) Fri 20-May-11 21:38:20
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In reply to a post by RobertoS:
I wonder if "Openreach" is a typo for "Overreach"?
Don't know about that, but it's an anagram for "No cheaper" tongue

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Standard User RobertoS
(sensei) Fri 20-May-11 21:49:37
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LMAO. How long have you had that one hidden waiting for the opportunity?

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(moderator) Fri 20-May-11 21:57:55
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Only a few minutes- it was your "typo" comment that triggered the thought.

And I have to confess that I cheated- I used this very useful site blush

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Standard User b4dger
(knowledge is power) Sat 21-May-11 09:50:30
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Please read complete thread - BT OR were just incompetent!

Re. 'service affecting' BT's line surveyor immediately said we've got to get that tree removed ASAP before the whole lot comes down - that was back in March.

He's been (nearly) as frustrated as me as he couldn't get the other parts or OR to listen to him!

Standard User b4dger
(knowledge is power) Sat 21-May-11 09:52:04
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@RobertoS & @billford smile

Anonymous
(Unregistered)Thu 29-Dec-11 04:35:13
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God people like you get my goat , you want another company to chop a tree down , do openreach look like tree surgeons
Standard User b4dger
(knowledge is power) Sat 31-Dec-11 15:06:28
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In reply to a post by Anonymous:
God people like you get my goat , you want another company to chop a tree down , do openreach look like tree surgeons
Sorry about your goat!

No, BT(via OR) are my Service Providers so that means they look after their kit.

Happy New Year to you...

Anonymous
(Unregistered)Sat 31-Dec-11 15:28:47
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It`s not as silly as your making out, when I lived in a small village near Bury St Edmunds we had a BT OR van driving around cutting down branches and clearing the phone line on a daily basis..
Standard User scragglymonk
(knowledge is power) Sun 01-Jan-12 12:23:50
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BT put lines in attached to wooden poles, they certainly have the capability to cut trees and branches clear

It looks like it is not a prority and maybe when the line breaks, they might get around to fixing it within a few weeks

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Anonymous
(Unregistered)Sun 01-Jan-12 13:09:12
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Ort work on belaf of CP so unless it becoes service affecting a cp reports its a fault to OR

bit chicken and egg this one i guess
Standard User RobertoS
(sensei) Sun 01-Jan-12 15:18:15
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In reply to a post by Anonymous:
Ort work on belaf of CP so unless it becoes service affecting a cp reports its a fault to OR
What's that in English please?

The anon who for some inexplicable reason resurrected this thread long after Openreach had sorted the problem, which according to that anon they would not have done, nor would they have had the appropriate equipment, then he and you if he not be you clearly have no idea of what Openreach's responsibilities are regarding the phone wires they have installed and undertaken to maintain in working order.

Or, in short, you don't know what you are talking about.

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Edited by RobertoS (Sun 01-Jan-12 15:18:52)

Standard User ian72
(knowledge is power) Tue 03-Jan-12 09:03:27
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In reply to a post by RobertoS:
What's that in English please?


then he and you if he not be you clearly have no idea of what Openreach's responsibilities are


Classic.... That sentence following the first wink
Standard User sobranie
(experienced) Tue 03-Jan-12 09:59:25
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Tree has now fallen on head. Simples!
Standard User RobertoS
(sensei) Tue 03-Jan-12 11:54:07
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In reply to a post by ian72:
In reply to a post by RobertoS:
What's that in English please?

then he and you if he not be you clearly have no idea of what Openreach's responsibilities are
Classic.... That sentence following the first wink
smile

"Classic" is close, more accurately "archaic".

I suppose it would be better as "then he and you if you not be he ...", and perhaps "... of the extent of Openreach's responsibilities", but otherwise I think you will find it is grammatically spot on. Maybe a little difficult for the "write as you speak", or even worse "write as you text" generation tongue, or those that can only handle single-clause sentences and not familiar with properly constructed conditional clauses.

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Edited by RobertoS (Tue 03-Jan-12 12:01:24)

Standard User ian72
(knowledge is power) Tue 03-Jan-12 12:00:14
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Personally I think it needed a few commas as there were no natural breaks in the text. But, I think I knew what you ment and was only providing a little leg pull...

Perhaps:

then he and you, if he not be you, clearly have no idea of what Openreach's responsibilities are
Standard User RobertoS
(sensei) Tue 03-Jan-12 12:03:37
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smile
I agree the commas may be useful for some readers but they are not necessary. Hence their omission in this case - a leg-pull as you surmise.

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Standard User XRaySpeX
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Tue 03-Jan-12 14:12:57
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I find the commas essential and I am an English pendant and no fool! grin

EDIT: But no great speller as you can see.

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Edited by XRaySpeX (Tue 03-Jan-12 14:35:13)

Standard User ian72
(knowledge is power) Tue 03-Jan-12 14:26:18
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In reply to a post by XRaySpeX:
I find the commas essential and I am an English pendant and no fool!! grin


You just "hanging" around then?

Sorry, couldn't resist and obviously further derailing this thread - but then as it had died months ago I don't think I am doing too much harm wink
Standard User RobertoS
(sensei) Tue 03-Jan-12 14:27:36
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In that case you will have great difficulty reading a reasonably complex legal document smile.

I think we can all agree however that the post I was complaining about was of a rather low standard.

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(sensei) Tue 03-Jan-12 14:28:22
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In reply to a post by ian72:
ROFL!

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(eat-sleep-adslguide) Tue 03-Jan-12 14:36:34
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Ouch! Corrected!

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Standard User XRaySpeX
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Tue 03-Jan-12 14:51:28
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In reply to a post by RobertoS:
In that case you will have great difficulty reading a reasonably complex legal document smile.
But I don't smile and this forum is not a Court and 2 people have agreed that your English is wanting.

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(sensei) Tue 03-Jan-12 15:08:28
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Talking about legal docs, I'm amused to see the following in the T & Cs linked to at the bottom of the Orange BB Home Page:-
These prices assume payment by direct debit. These prices are available to customers who live in an Orange broadband network area, which is 85% of all UK homes. If you don't live in an Orange network area you can still get broadband & anytime calls for an extra £10 per month.


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Standard User XRaySpeX
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Tue 03-Jan-12 15:36:50
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That's correct! They are trying to say that 15% of UK homes are on "Market 1" exchanges, but w/out troubling the uninitiated with technicalities.

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(sensei) Tue 03-Jan-12 16:28:03
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They charge £10pm more on Market 1? That's extortionate.

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Standard User ian72
(knowledge is power) Tue 03-Jan-12 16:37:58
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It costs more to deliver because they are paying BT costs for backhaul whereas on their network they have more economic backhaul. Same problem everywhere for non-LLU exchanges. Thought you were well aware of that Bob?

Or am I reading that wrong and it is just the scale of the extra? Look at Sky. Fully unbundled unlimited is £7.50. Sky Connect (last time I looked) is £17. Pretty much the same difference?
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(sensei) Tue 03-Jan-12 16:40:12
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Orange is no longer LLU. It is a BT Wholesale White Label, like the Post Office. Most, if not all, customers have been moved off the LLU and there is no way they would put a new customer on it.

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(eat-sleep-adslguide) Tue 03-Jan-12 17:17:43
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You know more about these things, but don't non-LLU ISPs pay more to BT in Market 1 areas?

It makes sense to me. Had Orange still been LLU they would have still paid more to BT in Market 1 areas. I'm sure their agreement with BT would have prevented Orange lowering their price in these areas, so as not to take business away from BT.

Plusnet, a BT subsidiary, also charge more in Market 1 areas, albeit just +£6.50.

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(sensei) Tue 03-Jan-12 17:35:59
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As far as I know Plusnet is the only one, and all others charge the same whatever the Market designation. Though AAISP and IDNet do have less favourable rates for ADSL against ADSL2+, which is likely to correspond to some degree.

Edit - wrong ISP cited and corrected.

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Edited by RobertoS (Tue 03-Jan-12 17:54:31)

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(eat-sleep-adslguide) Tue 03-Jan-12 17:43:50
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Wot abat (e.g.) O2, Sky & TT?

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(sensei) Tue 03-Jan-12 18:00:31
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(Incidentally, whilst replying to another post elsewhere, I realised "Zen" was incorrect. Just edited the post).

I don't understand the question though. I'm not aware of any LLU supplier that charges differently for their LLU products dependent on Market Classification. Where they do not have LLU presence, similarly they charge the same (higher) "out of area" price independent of Market Classification.

Which brings me back to my quote from Orange. I assumed it was a hangover from their LLU days, and referred to non-Orange LLU exchanges. As there are (I expect by now) no Orange LLU exchanges ....

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(eat-sleep-adslguide) Tue 03-Jan-12 18:33:31
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In reply to a post by RobertoS:
Where they do not have LLU presence, similarly they charge the same (higher) "out of area" price independent of Market Classification.
Same principle, is all I'm saying!

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(learned) Mon 09-Jan-12 12:33:48
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In reply to a post by RobertoS:
85% of all UK homes.


Is the 15% the loft space of all UK homes? wink
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