Sign Petition for faster rollout of FTTC

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Here is a link to the page: Help the UK get faster broadband

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Sorry I got the link incorrect, here is the right one: Help the UK get faster broadband

In reply to a post by Anonymous:

Sorry I got the link incorrect, here is the right one: Help the UK get faster broadband

And who pays to accelerate the roll-out?

Hint:One way or another it'll be you and I.

BT does not own any exchanges it leases them.

Also LLU operators are at liberty to install their hardware where they like. To offer ADSL2+ within 3 months is near impossible, unless BT stops all other work, and suppliers probably would struggle to supply hardware.

Current aim from BT/VM is 60% superfast by 2015, with another 30% or so via BDUK funding. Is that not fast enough?

Also legally how do you force a private company to do something?

Clearly not thought out... Makes no sense.

2015 is a very long time to wait, I've rolled out an entire update across my 20 router based network in under 24 hours, with new cables etc and fixing up settings as well.

Imagine each area that Openreach covers has 8 engineers, take away 2 of them for every exchange and let them work in the background for as long as it takes.

That's how ADSL2+ could be deployed within three months, and I'd be happy to pay a broadband tax of £2.50 a month; it already costs £30.00 a month now just to get online.

I'd like the target brought forward from 2015 to 2013, they should allow people to volunteer for no pay to help get it done quicker...

In reply to a post by Anonymous:

2015 is a very long time to wait, I've rolled out an entire update across my 20 router based network in under 24 hours, with new cables etc and fixing up settings as well.

Imagine each area that Openreach covers has 8 engineers, take away 2 of them for every exchange and let them work in the background for as long as it takes.

That's how ADSL2+ could be deployed within three months, and I'd be happy to pay a broadband tax of £2.50 a month; it already costs £30.00 a month now just to get online.

I'd like the target brought forward from 2015 to 2013, they should allow people to volunteer for no pay to help get it done quicker...

Isn't that what Volunteers do ?

20 routers? Why so many?

2 at each exchange, do you actually think Openreach has 8,000 engineers trained to install and configure DSLAM's, while at the same time adding the new 21CN WBC fibre backhaul to use the IP network, rather than legacy ATM?

Would this diversion of resources not delay the FTTC/P roll-outs? What happens in the winter when weather creates a surge of line faults?

If you want the 2015 date brought forward, then you should have said that in the petition, rather than mixing market 1, LLU, ADSL2+ all into it, thus creating a confusing mix.

As for volunteers, best joke of the day, untrained people splicing fibre, crimping cables, trying to figure out why something that should work is not working. Fitting the hardware into an exchange, while not disturbing existing phone infrastructure.

"20 routers? Why so many?" - I do a lot of media rendering, so I've got a lot of servers which need networking

I though all Openreach Engineer's we're trained in that department, might explain why they always fail to fix my broadband then as the exchange hardware's been faulty for a long time (over 3 years of connection loss, high latency etc)

I suppose it would, that's why I though of volunteers but like you said not everyone has the knowledge of splicing fibre etc like myself :/ I don't why I assumed if I can do then everyone else must be able too... (Can I volunteer)

Should of mentioned bringing the 2015 target forward, I just find it too slow as I've been waiting since 2007 for a connection which works.

Is it your silly petition???

If BT roll out ADSL2+ to all Market 1 exchanges they are still market 1 exchanges.

Not sure why you'd network a lot of servers using 20 routers, maybe 20 switches, a router means creating their own private little network, making inter server comms harder.

The DSLAM install is often contracted out to the people who the MSAN was bought from, i.e. part of the contract, want faster installs you end up paying more. Remember the hardware is not free, and capital expenditure as a business person you will realise cannot be suddenly ramped up.

I guess we should all volunteer to do heart surgery to shorten waiting lists, since we can all carve the sunday roast. Splicing in itself is not difficult, but combine all the other areas together and you can see the difficult in going to an all out war footing type roll-out. Remember BT is in the game to make money, not merely satisfy our desires for faster broadband

I am sure that openreach would love to be able to install cables and cabinets faster but an awful lot of delys in cabinets being deployed are out of their control.

It took over 4 months from start of works to being able to order it and it seems that the 2 big delays that were in our cab being commissioned were.

1 - As the FTTC faced the phone cabinet across the road (as that is where the local council said it had to go) the road had to be closed for a day and the county council highways agency gave openreach the date in which it could be done.

2 - After that was completed there was a huge delay in getting the power hooked up. A couple of years ago a semi-urgent power related issue took 8 weeks to get somebody out to fix it and in the end they had to send a sub-contractor as they were "too busy". FTTC cabinets are considered routine and they will take even longer to get round to.

So as well as leaning on Openreach there will need to be streamlined descion making at the local councils and the compaines who look after the power infrastructure will also need the whip cracked to get the cabinets hooked up faster.

Now in the UK can you see any of that happening?

In reply to a post by Anonymous:

2015 is a very long time to wait, I've rolled out an entire update across my 20 router based network in under 24 hours, with new cables etc and fixing up settings as well.

Imagine each area that Openreach covers has 8 engineers, take away 2 of them for every exchange and let them work in the background for as long as it takes.

That's how ADSL2+ could be deployed within three months, and I'd be happy to pay a broadband tax of £2.50 a month; it already costs £30.00 a month now just to get online.

I'd like the target brought forward from 2015 to 2013, they should allow people to volunteer for no pay to help get it done quicker...

What a sad simplistic view you have, you've obviously no experience outside of your own tin pot network, hopefully you weren't serious

why should we pay a tax to ensure people who don't live in centre of city or a long way from the exchange can get faster internet.

unless there going to be a tax to reducing pollution in towns, over crowding, traffic jams and amount of green space one can go out and walk in there its unfair.

You live in a city you ahve certain benfits, you live out in the sticks you have other benefits. Choose what is most important for you. Nice relaxed living or fast internet.

Ok, based on feedback I've submitted some changes and will post a new link once it's approved; I've changed to ask for the target date to be brought forward to mid-2013 instead of 2015 so that's 1 & 1/2 years faster which should be do-able.

I'd much rather they follow through with their 21cn rollout.

Keep making changes anything to waste as much of your time as possible, I love how blinkered you are

In reply to a post by MrSaffron:

BT does not own any exchanges it leases them.

Also LLU operators are at liberty to install their hardware where they like. To offer ADSL2+ within 3 months is near impossible, unless BT stops all other work, and suppliers probably would struggle to supply hardware.

Current aim from BT/VM is 60% superfast by 2015, with another 30% or so via BDUK funding. Is that not fast enough?

Also legally how do you force a private company to do something?

in all honesty no.

To me whats relevant is how many cities are wired up with proper superfast (I exclude cable services due to slow upload). The uk has a pretty bad record, and 2015 in 4 years time when already other developed countries have done FTTP rollouts.

BT's problem is not necessarily the speed of their work but rather they started it about 10 years late.

In reply to a post by Cobra001:

why should we pay a tax to ensure people who don't live in centre of city or a long way from the exchange can get faster internet.

unless there going to be a tax to reducing pollution in towns, over crowding, traffic jams and amount of green space one can go out and walk in there its unfair.

You live in a city you ahve certain benfits, you live out in the sticks you have other benefits. Choose what is most important for you. Nice relaxed living or fast internet.

post is out of touch.

now days rural areas not only have relaxed living but also getting preferential treatment for FTTC. The uk has a poor record for superfast broadband coverage in urban areas.

you still don't get it do you?

You have made 2 big mistakes

1)
You biggest BT does NOT control LLU, the only way LLU get deployed is if a 3rd party company like Sky or Talktalk decide it would make them more money and be worth while if they put LLU kit there.

BT HAS NO SAY IN THIS

Add to this BT leases most of their exchanges and cabinets from land owners, i.e. BT pay fee for the space their exchanges and cabinets take up.

When you are complain about there being market 1 exchanges where BT is the only one with kit in there is the same as complaining that my roof only leaks when it rains.

Market 1 exchanges are where the no LLU provider willing to put the kit in because they know they will not get a return on their money. That means market one exchanges will always only have BT kit.


2)Forcing BT deploy adsl2+ in all market 1 exchanges
3 problems here
a) ADSL2+ may sound a good diea but some user will see a worse connection due to it.
b)the reason why there no LLU in market 1 exchanges is due to the cost it would take to deploy any kit there would outway any icnrease in money. Ask yourself this questions

If I give you £1000 and tell you you can keep all of the profit you make from investing 1 of these two projects. Project 1 will give you a 15% per year after 2 years (takes 2 years to cover the costs) or project b whioch will only give you 3% per year return after 10 years..

You are going to go for Project one as it will make the most money this is what BT does they ahve a duty to their shareholder to make the most money possible.


3) You not stated where the money to cover all these changes will come from. You said you would be willing to pay a £2.250 tax per month yet you not put that in your pettition

yea but i was keeping it simple as this guy does not seem to have much of a brain so don't confuse the poor guy lol

But how are these rollouts by "other countries" funded, by the government without a doubt.

I can't remember when the "fibre shackles" were removed from BT in terms of rolling it out to consumers I don't think it was over 10yrs ago though. 10yrs ago it was ADSL has any other country jumped from ADSL1 to FTTC/FTTP in under 10yrs

In reply to a post by Chrysalis:

BT's problem is not necessarily the speed of their work but rather they started it about 10 years late.

Do I recall that was something to do with regulation, so as to allow a competing network (cable) to cover the country? So the rural as well as the urban areas all had their chance, didn't they? There's an old saying about the road to hell being paved with good intentions. I've yet to be convinced that regulation has brought forth any significant technological progress, rather stifled it; and left us with a hotchpotch rather than a modern network afflicting ALL infrastructure. I'd almost argue that (enforced) competition and their bargain basement mentality (micro management, if you like) as practised by UK regulators, is the enemy of progress. And some of us want more of it! No wonder if international investors shun the west like a decaying fossil.

BT's problem until recently was needing to spend its resources on managing Ofcom, which I suspect took more management time than looking after the network. A dog can't serve two masters so the customer lost out.

So you believe that when BT finishes its 60% of UK households with FTTC the majority will be rural?

Or is it sour grapes because your area has been missed to date?

BT will go where the money is to be made, and generally that is in the urban areas