IPv6 any idea for when it's available in UK?

Hello,

I'm unable to purchase any IPv4 addresses for my gaming server business, and it's putting me at risk of running bankrupt / shutting down as I can't compete with company's with spare dedicated IP's.

The best offer I found is $50.00 a year for each IP address and not a single customer will pay near that amount, and to top it off you can only get it with a very justifiable reason like your a charity which requires SSL.

How long until IPv6 goes live? because my network is ready, my ISP is prepared, but cPanel isn't and nor have the IPv6 addresses been issued yet.

Why didn't the government and ISP's prepare for this, they've once again left it too late and the cracks are starting and the foundation of the Internet is collapsing.

BTnet platform will continue progressively deploying IPv4 (and IPv6) capability and they plan to launch full standardised IPv6 support early in 2012.They will even manage your Cisco servers
Take a look at http://business.bt.com/broadband-and-internet/leased...

Incidently what on earth has it to do with the government? It is all to do with business taking developments forward and as IPv6 is still being developed and mastered to all intense and purpose it is as yet not really a final product IPv6 is not compatible with IPv4, in a lot of cases it is tunnelled across an IPV4 networks [encapsulated in a IPv4 packet] this does slow down the process] one of the reasons that IPv4 will continue for at least another 10 years
.A point to note is that even though Windows vista and Windows7 Microsoft has installed and enabled IPv6 by default, Windows does not fully support IPv6 because when Windows sees a colon it references it to a drive letter.

In reply to a post by Anonymous:

The best offer I found is $50.00 a year for each IP address

I am quite confused. Are you running your game servers on a residential connection or something? Even in that case the price you quoted seems grossly incorrect.

Contrary to what you may think IPs are still plentiful and most real datacentres will supply you with IPs completely free. Even business ISP AAISP will give you a /24 on your DSL no problems.

IPv4 are not plentiful and should not be regarded as such.
People and companies must start to get a grasp on this as right now it more a case of "Well we will get around to it sometime soon"
The main issue from a consumer point of view is there is no reasonable priced hardware on the market, so people are not in a hurry to roll it out.
As for giving out a /24 on a DSL connection, I would think it hard to justify why someone would want 254 IPs on the DSL connection.

In reply to a post by vivaciti:

I would think it hard to justify why someone would want 254 IPs on the DSL connection.

In reference to www.idnet.net/news/article.jsp?id=84:

We provide all customers with a delegated /48 of native IPv6 address space. This gives you 65,536 subnets, each subnet consisting of 18,446,744,073,709,551,616 native IPv6 addresses. That should keep you going for a while!!

eta- Don't forget that there's no NAT on IPv6, so you need a v6 address for each device on your network that wants to use it, not just one for the router.

Edited by billford (Wed 04-Jan-12 20:35:05)

As for giving out a /24 on a DSL connection, I would think it hard to justify why someone would want 254 IPs on the DSL connection.

Indeed, although I have a /27 at home which is getting quite full.

In reply to a post by Anonymous:

Contrary to what you may think IPs are still plentiful and most real datacentres will supply you with IPs completely free. Even business ISP AAISP will give you a /24 on your DSL no problems.

You might want to phone them up now and ask about that. I signed up with AAISP towards the start of last year and during the process, if I said I wanted anything other than just a single IP address, they wanted specific details as to why. Justification for use. That was for the smallest size too (a slash 28). In the end, I looked at the questions they were asking me, and couldn't be bothered answering and got a single static IP instead. I can do most of what I require with NAT anyway.

Further more, I just ordered a new VPS server with my hosting provider last month and as part of the package they can supply up to 2 IPs on the server at no extra charge (configured with one to start with, you contact them if the 2nd one is needed). I had to justify my use when asking them to set the server up with the 2nd IP address. The previous server from them (which I got over a year ago now), they never questioned it.

It is becoming a problem. Expect providers to either start charging extra or making you jump through hoops to obtain extra IPv4 addresses. I think it's a good idea, as most people will only make the effort to justify their use if it really is a requirement for them.

Edited by deleted (Wed 04-Jan-12 20:25:49)

I think it's a RIPE requirement to justify use of an IP block

Also
http://aaisp.net.uk/kb-broadband-ipv6-plans.html

Yes, but I was with Zen some years ago and they handed me a /28 on a plate, no questions asked. Anything bigger, they then asked for justification. Maybe their policies have changed since (not checked).

And an extra 2nd IP address on a VPS server hardly qualifies as an IP block, or indeed, has anything to do with RIPE.

RIPE's policies have changed

With IPv6 I agree, but the issue was raised over IPv4.

When we got our first leased line installed back in the 90's it came with a /24 (what was called a Class C then" as standard if we wanted more IPs it was just a form with a tick box for "Number required"

32 IPs I guess we could see some need for if you are running a number of services that you can't use NAT for if you have multiple servers on different bits of tin, but if a single server then it's still pushing it a bit.

I think my main point is that we have all known that IP v4's are going to run out at our current rate of consumption, IPv6 has still some way to go before it's main stream although with the TG582 this may help as once there is a pretty good consumer grade router on the market (AAISP have the firmware on test I believe) this will encourage more consumers to start using v6 and from that it will start to encourage more ISPs to offer IPv6 as at present more carriers just don't seem to be in any hurry to role it out at all.