Extension Wiring Help

I have just been connected tonight at my flat (newish build). The main socket is in the bedroom and there is an extension in the lounge (where I want my phone and router).

The phone and net works fine in the bedroom connected to the main socket but I don't even get a dial tone in the lounge extension. I have taken some photos of the wiring.

Main Socket - bedroom
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Extension - lounge
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What connects the master to the extension?

In reply to a post by BatBoy:

What connects the master to the extension?

not sure what you mean?

All the cabling is within the walls.

wide angle of the master. Only A and B are connected, I assume thats the issue. Wired up by the builders.

http://i41.tinypic.com/2v13spf.jpg

Edited by deleted (Wed 08-Feb-12 21:21:07)

Done this before and dont get why you have not got a wire on pin 4 on the extension.

No need to take the complete thing off the wall of the master and stuff the paint up as now pulled that off. Why I did in a new build in 2005 as found the same. Main socket in the cupboard went but nothing on lounge and bedrrooms and hall extensions.

BT wire up the incoming master and guessing it is the builders that run in extensions and dont wire up.

Put the back bit of the master on the wall and drop the front off to expose the cover with the fixed plug on it and a socket and back box on the wall.

Using the unused cable wire up as here. Not sure about your missing number 4 , white with orange bands on the extension. Needs putting on. Ignore the ring wire (pin3) as cause problems with inducing noise or picking up and can slow the broadband speed down.

Need pin 2- 4 and 5.

the colour on the web sites colouring is the mostly colour on the drawing is the mostly colour on the wire (cores).

I have a proper tool for this but place the wires over the teeth of the connector and use a pen knife or small kitchen knife to puch wire in the jaws and it cuts through the insulation.

follow diagram, easy.
pulling the front of the master disconnects incoming cable so safe. replace extension the push front part on to master socket and test by ringing up or do a 1471 and get the last number read out. Replace screws , job done.


http://www.wppltd.demon.co.uk/WPP/Wiring/UK_telephon...

dont cut any unused wires like the pin 3 , orange and white bands. leave there so can be used another day. No pin 3 at both ends.

needs the 3 wires connected.

worked for me.

Edited by deleted (Wed 08-Feb-12 21:18:23)

Well, there's only 2 wires in the master, but 6 in the extension and the extension doesn't work.

Who wired this up?

Many thanks for this.

Connected it back up now but the colours don't match the link.

Blue & White and White & Blue are connected to the A & B points on the back. So, I need to connect up the other 3 (excluding Orange & White as it's the ring wire #3)

It leaves 2,4,5

Green & White
White & Green
White & Orange

Forget the back incoming cable on a and b. Put that bit on the wall. Use the unused cable on 2 4 and 5. Should be able to match colours up. If not make the same at both ends. Why 2 wires on each extension connector. Another extension daisy chained off you have missed. Only need front bit of master and a knife. Use the unused cable. That goes to extensioj i would think. Odd if not. Off to bed now from daniel

Remind me not ask you to do any wiring.

Firstly. Why is a conection on 4 required?

Secondly. The ring wire may very well be needed, there are phones which require the separate ring connection and will not work with a dangly filter.

MHC, which of these 3 go to 2 & 5?

Green & White
White & Green
White & Orange

2 Blue/White
5 White/Blue

3 Orange/White

In reply to a post by MHC:

2 Blue/White
5 White/Blue

3 Orange/White

OK, that's exactly how the extension is wired up. So, to confirm, on the master I should replicate that (i.e take the Blue/White and White/Blue out of the A & B terminals?)

The removable part looks like this
http://www.rob-r.co.uk/other/UKphonecatwiring_files/...

No, leave A and B connected and screw it onto the wall.

Take the faceplate off, you will then see the test socket where the faceplate connects. The extension should be wired to the posts on the faceplate.

In reply to a post by BatBoy:

No, leave A and B connected and screw it onto the wall.

Take the faceplate off, you will then see the test socket where the faceplate connects. The extension should be wired to the posts on the faceplate.

OK, but this is where I am confused because I have screwed that back to the wall, that takes care of White/Blue & Blue/White (A&B). But it leaves me with the removable bit

5
4
3
2

and

Orange/White
White/Orange
Green/White
White/Green

The same are spare on the extension but 2 (Blue/White),3 (Orange/White) and 5(White/Blue) are taken. Leaving 1,4,6

White/Orange
Green/White
White/Green

You only need 2, 5 and 3 connected.

In that bundle behind the master socket, you need to find a blue, a white-blue, and an orange to connect to the faceplate to take the signal to the extension.

Unfortunately, by connecting 3 orange, this is the ring wire which causes noise problems on ADSL. So really, you should just connect 2 blue and 5 white-blue.

In reply to a post by BatBoy:

You only need 2, 5 and 3 connected.

In that bundle behind the master socket, you need to find a blue, a white-blue, and an orange to connect to the faceplate to take the signal to the extension.

Unfortunately, by connecting 3 orange, this is the ring wire which causes noise problems on ADSL. So really, you should just connect 2 blue and 5 white-blue.

The trouble is, Blue/White & White/Blue are in use on the master. They are connected to A & B on the non removable part

Yes, they should be. You need the other blue and white-blue that go to the extension.

In reply to a post by BatBoy:

Yes, they should be. You need the other blue and white-blue that go to the extension.

I feel so dumb. That was so much easier than I made it.

Thanks for sticking with me. It's all working great now. Really appreciate it guys.

p.s. I didn't need the ring wire either

Great news

Only going on what was right and read. Worked for me and did all the wiring here when rewired. If i said do the ring wire someone would moan not to. Thought it was old bell phones might so if problems would have said redo it. Said not to cut. Maybe 4 is not needed but my pnone plugs have 4 wires so no harm doing. What i all said should have worked if he did. Not keep fussing about a and b. Just the spare cable. Easy. 30 minutes job. Wish i never tried now. On phone not logged in

The dangly filters reproduce the ring wire, which is just produced by the master socket normally. Its when you leave and next person does not have ADSL that no ring wire can cause issues

In reply to a post by MrSaffron:

The dangly filters reproduce the ring wire, which is just produced by the master socket normally. Its when you leave and next person does not have ADSL that no ring wire can cause issues

SHOULD ...

My neighbour has several phones that will not work properly with filters - there is a very short "ting" at the start of each ring pulse and that is all. A standard master and filtered face plate is fine. What does he do for work? Senior Tech with BT with several years of SFI experience.

Whose microfilter, some overseas ones don't do the ring wire at al (thought they'd stopped being imported years ago) and others were not really that good.

No probs Daniel, I appreciated your help.

Quite a few different ones including various BT supplied and several from me - it is probably a characteristic of the phones.

It was easier/quicker to rewire and more the master rather than keep trying.

In reply to a post by MHC:

It was easier/quicker to rewire and more the master rather than keep trying.

Or try a filtered extension faceplate?