Being told i don't have a BT line... but i do

Hi

Wasn't too sure where to post this, so sorry if it's in the wrong place...

I've recently tried to switch to EE/Orange for Home Phone & Broadband (as a tmobile customer the discount + a decent sum of cashback made it seem a good deal)

However, my line was due to go active on the 4th (according to the paperwork they sent me, there website, and the person I made the order with over the phone), which never happened... when I spoke to customer services they informed me that my activation date was the 10th, and it had never been the 4th.... so I waited until the 10th... which passed, and on the 14th I contacted EE/Orange again to see what was going on.

They initially informed me that my previous provider wouldn't let the line go, and I needed to contact them, I contacted my current provider (Tesco phone & bb) who told me everything was ready to go on there side, and that the hold up is due to EE/Orange.

So I contacted EE/Orange again, and after a while they ran some tests and informed me that there system was saying that I don't have BT Line, I told them that I do, and it's the only service to the property, but they were having non of it and told me to contact my previous supplier again.

So I contacted Tesco again, and they told me that there tests showed my line as being a BT Committed line.... but on calling EE/Orange for the final time they told me yet again that I don't have a BT Line and would have to pay for an Engineer to install a new line.

I know my line is a genuine BT line, as I paid BT to install the line when I moved into my property 4/5 years ago.

Also surely they wouldn't of taken the order in the first place if I had a non BT line?

Could anyone give me any guidance or are there any checks I can make my self?

Edited by deleted (Wed 16-Jan-13 12:56:32)

Tesco use C&W LLU to provide the service the migration from this to EE will vary according to how Tesco provisioned the line.

If Tesco can issue a MAC for the broadband service, then you are on a WLR and SMPF LLU broadband service, so moving needs the MAC and a Notification of Transfer process to take place. http://www.thinkbroadband.com/guide/migration.html#n...

If Tesco say a MAC cannot be generated then you are on a full LLU service and it means EE need to do a full provide,
http://www.thinkbroadband.com/guide/migration.html#s...

So the line may be a genuine one owned by Openreach, but due to products on it now the moving can be problematic. The NOT and MAC route is a lot cheaper than the sim provide route.

EE are probably saying the line is not a BT WLR service, which if its full LLU is correct and it may be they simply don't want the hassle of handling a simulateneous provide, and passing on the £50 or more to you.

Thanks for the reply,

A MAC has been generated and according to Tesco the NOT has been initiated, but is awaiting EE/Orange

According to Tesco when I signed up with them (late 2010) they were not running full LLU and my line is WLR.

Do EE not also use C&W LLU? (i'm not moving to fibre btw)

I'm guessing the easiest option is for me to just stay with Tesco

EE use BT Wholesale services, i.e. WBC where available and IPStream Max where not. No LLU for them these days.

If a MAC and NOT has been done, then should be easy enough move and looks like problem is on the EE side

In reply to a post by EZTutty:

Thanks for the reply,

A MAC has been generated and according to Tesco the NOT has been initiated, but is awaiting EE/Orange

According to Tesco when I signed up with them (late 2010) they were not running full LLU and my line is WLR.

Do EE not also use C&W LLU? (i'm not moving to fibre btw)

I'm guessing the easiest option is for me to just stay with Tesco

When you moved to Tesco for broadband and phone, did you keep your old phone number or did they give you a new phone number?

If Tesco supplied a new phone number then you are on full LLU.

Put your phone number in this checker if it says the number is no recognised then you have an LLU line and are going to have issues, if it gives you results then it is a WLR line and EE are talking out their behind (I favour the second option!)

Forgot to include the link:
https://www.btwholesale.com/includes/adsl/main.html

Edited by vivaciti (Wed 16-Jan-13 17:57:16)

I kept my old number when i switched.

The wholesale checker doesn't recognise my number... looks like i'm fully LLU then.

Odd how Tesco say i'm not

Looks like i'll stick with Tesco for now, and if i switch stick to the LLU companies.

Looks like Fibre should be in my area within the next 6months (if they upgrade my cabinet or not is another story), but i'll just hold out until then.

Edited by deleted (Wed 16-Jan-13 19:09:58)

To get ADSL2+ unlimited broadband for £2.50 per month you must be connected to Market 3 exchange and have EE Orange or T-Mobile phone or SIM card contract.

*Includes £5 discount to Orange, T-Mobile & EE mobile customers living in our network area. + 6 months free (one off broadband credit of £30). Offer ends January 31st 2013.

https://broadband.ee.co.uk/home.do

In reply to a post by E7er:

you must be connected to Market 3 exchange

How do you know this? Orange/EE has never defined their "Service Availability Area" publicly since ditching LLU. For all you know it could be all 21CN exchanges.

In reply to a post by XRaySpeX:

In reply to a post by E7er:

you must be connected to Market 3 exchange

How do you know this? Orange/EE has never defined their "Service Availability Area" publicly since ditching LLU. For all you know it could be all 21CN exchanges.

I�ve had a good look around and can find nothing different, it looks only Market 3 exchanges are deregulated and when BT upgrade a Market 2 exchange with 21CN WBC that exchange is then upgraded to Market 3. That is what happened to my exchange.

I am going by the term �deregulated� for Market 3 exchanges, which is spelt out by Ofcom.

http://stakeholders.ofcom.org.uk/consultations/whole...

I take it as being �deregulated� is the EE/Orange/T-Mobile standard broadband network area.

Plusnet spell out the Market Classification difference http://community.plus.net/17280/

Check to see if your exchange is Market 3 http://www.samknows.com/broadband/exchange_search
Lower right-hand corner of screen...
Ofcom Classification Market 3 - Four or more 'principal' operators provide broadband services at this exchange.
Service in this area has been deregulated!

Edited by deleted (Fri 18-Jan-13 18:21:04)

I'm afraid you have that wrong.

Market classification is a list issued from time to time by ofCom. It is not an automatic result of the number of CPs present in the exchange, and the list also takes into account proposed deployments or withdrawals by the CPs at the time of publication.

The latest list was published in December 2010, following the consultation that your link is about. No classifications have changed since.

A new consultation is under way, including a review of the criteria. The result is expected in March/April 2014. (I'll check the month later). The new Policy proposals are due in May 2013 for futher consultation, with a final statement scheduled for March 2014.

Edited by RobertoS (Fri 18-Jan-13 14:09:02)

You are way off beam here.

In reply to a post by E7er:

when BT upgrade a Market 2 exchange with 21CN WBC that exchange is then upgraded to Market 3. That is what happened to my exchange.

Market classifications don't change when BT, or any other ISP, does something or another; they only change whenever OFCOM publishes a new list at discrete points of time.

In reply to a post by E7er:

I take it as being �deregulated� is the EE/Orange/T-Mobile standard broadband network area.

You have no justification to take it so. There is no defined connection between the two things, other than, as you point out, OFCOM is considering changing its definitions of the Markets partly cuz Orange withdrew from LLU.

EDIT: Then explain how EE charges its lower prices at these Market 2 exchanges: EAWLM, SDHNFLD, NETI, EMRADCL?

However, you seem to be half right.

I have empirically found that that EE's Service Availability Area (BB Network Area) consists of Market 2 + 3 exchanges. Much like Plusnet, the only other ISP who uses Market classifications !

But to not take this thread further OT please see: http://forums.thinkbroadband.com/freeserve/t/4201246...

Edited by XRaySpeX (Sat 19-Jan-13 00:32:27)