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Is it possible to have a phone line on which two different ISP's (BT and TalkTalk) are simultaneously providing ADSL?
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NO.
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Can you give a fuller explanation for your answer, please, MHC?
Because that's what I have today!!
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Not possible. TalkTalk will accept any username and password combination so plugging in the HomeHub will work, although it'll still be on TalkTalk not BT. I guess this is what you're doing and then assuming you're on BT too.
Not sure if BT accepts any username / password.
Edited by ukhardy07 (Thu 31-Oct-13 14:31:11)
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The full answer is a very long, but an intermediate one is this:
If the two providers use the same wholesale provider, then usually the authentication systems limit you to one provider at a time. Even if you have two username/passwords they usually limit you to just one on a connection.
At the exchange side the vast majority of cases the a BT Retail connection would be on totally different hardware to a TalkTalk or Sky based service too.
If you can elaborate on your issue it may be we can explain without writing a long essay that covers all the permutations of products out there.
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If you look up the IP addy you are being allocated here: http://whois.domaintools.com/ it will tell you to whom you are actually connected.
1999: Freeserve 48K Dial-Up => 2005: Wanadoo 1 Meg BB => 2007: Orange 2 Meg BB => 2008: Orange 8 Meg LLU => 2010: Orange 16 Meg LLU => 2011: Orange 20 Meg WBC
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I was on BT's ADSL service on a BT phone line, and had such terrible troubles with them that I decided to switch both to TalkTalk -- something I thought I would never do!
So, I went online and signed up on TalkTalk's website for both broadband (TalkTalk's SimplyBroadband) and phone line with TalkTalk, and was given a changeover date of October 30th, with the usual proviso of "any time up to midnight".
But this morning (Oct 31st) my broadband was still connecting via my BTHomeHub3.
I then unplugged the HomeHub and set up the router supplied by TalkTalk, and that worked too!
Hence my question, because I didn't think that was possible!
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So, what's your IP addy, with each router?
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If you goto http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ip.html this will tell your IP address and what is known as the reverse DNS name and this will mention Opal or TalkTalk.
TalkTalk when they switch you over, switch you onto their own hardware and they rely on the physical security of the line into the hardware and as such use no authentication, so this is why the old HomeHub worked without the need to change anything.
So you are not with two providers at the same time at all.
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Thank you Andrew. That explains it!!
I don't want to unplug the TalkTalk router to test if the HomeHub gives me the same IP address, thereby proving your point, because surely during the 10 days "training" period I want to avoid unnecessary router restarts, don't I?
Anyway, I'm sure your explanation is correct! Thanks for your help.
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Is it possible to have a phone line on which two different ISP's (BT and TalkTalk) are simultaneously providing ADSL? No, because in the UK you would have to have 2 modems connected and that won't work.
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Occasional reconnections are not a problem, several in quick succession will be.
Turn off power to the router which will signal "goodbye" to the DSLAM and it will not be considered to be a disconnection/resync for the DLM. The connect and power up the HH. Do the same when you want to disconnect the HH.
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Do TalkTalk have a 10-day training period? Or are you not on their LLU product? The 10 days is a BT Wholesale thing.
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Connection - Plusnet UnLim Fibre (FTTC). Sync ~ 55.8/14.5Mbps @ 600m. - BQM
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Actually at least a few years ago, so possibly even now, it was possible to be able to access the old and new ISPs for a few hours during a migration between BT Wholesale ISPs. I'm not sure it wasn't also possible going BTW to O2 LLU.
Not simultaneous access of course, but both available through their respective logins.
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No, because in the UK you would have to have 2 modems connected and that won't work. I don't think he really means simultaneous access, but both available as alternatives, See my post a few seconds ago  .
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Connection - Plusnet UnLim Fibre (FTTC). Sync ~ 55.8/14.5Mbps @ 600m. - BQM
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Edited by RobertoS (Thu 31-Oct-13 23:35:06)
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Ah, I see. Although he did say 'simultaneous' in the OP.
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Yeah, I know, but ....
The Subject sort of gave me the clue, as it is possible to have two providers simultaneously on the line, but only access to one at a time. As this dual availability only occurs (or occurred) for a few hours it looks to be a commercial rather than a technical restriction to only one live service, rather than two or more (from the same wholesaler), with a choosable connection.
My broadband basic info/help site - www.robertos.me.uk | Domains,website and mail hosting - Tsohost.
Connection - Plusnet UnLim Fibre (FTTC). Sync ~ 55.8/14.5Mbps @ 600m. - BQM
"Where talent is a dwarf, self-esteem is a giant." - Jean-Antoine Petit-Senn.
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Like I said earlier, TalkTalk connects even if your username and password is a load of junk entered. It connects with virtually all modem router with any username and password.
When the home hub tries to connect with the old BT info, it will still work with TalkTalk, even though it's wrong info TT don't care. The HH will just pickup the talk talk signal and work.
So in essence yes the HomeHub will work fine on TT usually (I've seen it myself). Just because you're using a home hub doesn't mean it's a BT connection. In the same was as my friend uses their Sky router on TT as it gives them better WiFi, it doesn't mean they're using Sky internet still. They are just using Skys router and you were just using BTs router. Essentially all routers are use similar technology, usually ADSL 2+, even ISP supplied ones. The only difference is ISP supplied ones don't allow you to edit the username and password - but as TT works with any user/password combination (even if it's blank) that's not an issue.
Edited by ukhardy07 (Fri 01-Nov-13 02:07:48)
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All this speculation while it is so simple to prove the facts, but OP declined to do so!
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No formal training period, they seem to stick finger in air and pick profile
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Got to the bottom of it - and was simply that the old hardware still worked, due to the way TalkTalk don't bother with passwords
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Just came across this thread as it was the night before my switchover day and while browsing online with my Sky connection I got an email from plusnet saying my broadband was connected and ready to use. I was doubtful but decided to try the new login details and it worked fine. Now before anyone mentions anything about one or the other ISP's accepting any old login details, the last thing I did was head to the think broadband speed test page for a speed test with Sky and then the same again with the new plusnet login details. It picked up different IP addresses and produced faster speeds with Plusnet. I've now signed back in with Sky details, IP address is back to the original one and lower speeds recorded. I don't really understand it, Sky promised up to 16 meg while Plusnet only promise up to 14meg. I thought I wouldn't actually see any difference at all being the same phone line so quite pleased on that front.
Anyway, the point of my post is at this moment I most certainly do have two ISP's providing a broadband service on my single phone line. If this is still working tomorrow I may try and plug in two routers at once and see if I can connect simultaneously...not for any reason, just curious!
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Your last idea won't work and could easily screw the DLM (therefore your speeds) for weeks.
Was it Sky Connect or Sky LLU?
My broadband basic info/help site - www.robertos.me.uk | Domains,website and mail hosting - Tsohost.
Connection - Plusnet UnLim Fibre (FTTC). Sync ~ 59.4/14.4Mbps @ 600m. - BQM
"Where talent is a dwarf, self-esteem is a giant." - Jean-Antoine Petit-Senn.
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Edited by RobertoS (Sat 14-Dec-13 11:57:22)
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Thanks for the tip...I won't try that then!
I'm not sure what the difference between the two are but a bit of googling suggest LLU. It's ADSL which from what I can see Sky connect isn't if I've understood this right?
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Sky Connect is ADSL but via BT wholesale, which in itself isn't bad but some providers don't buy enough capacity
Edited by deleted (Sat 14-Dec-13 17:50:06)
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a bit of googling suggest LLU. Did you Google your own exchange (which is?)? Sky is LLU nationwide except where it isn't.
1999: Freeserve 48K Dial-Up => 2005: Wanadoo 1 Meg BB => 2007: Orange 2 Meg BB => 2008: Orange 8 Meg LLU => 2010: Orange 16 Meg LLU => 2011: Orange 20 Meg WBC
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The reason Bob was asking, is that it would be impossible for Sky LLU and Plusnet's BT Wholesale service to work down the same line at the same time. Different kit in the exchange.
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