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Hi,
Please may I ask advice on my broadband connection?
The following is a copy of my tracert to bbc.co.uk
Entanet do not have a LLU service at my exchange and yet they feature in my tracert.
Does this then suggest that I am on the old BTWholesale product?
Tracing route to bbc.co.uk [212.58.246.104]
over a maximum of 30 hops:
1 1 ms 1 ms 3 ms home.gateway.home.gateway [192.168.1.254]
2 34 ms 34 ms 34 ms 109.224.191.50
3 186 ms 33 ms 35 ms 188-39-118-70.static.enta.net [188.39.118.70]
4 48 ms 36 ms 33 ms gi4-21.equinix.core.enta.net [188.39.118.69]
5 34 ms 34 ms * te5-3.telehouse-east2.core.enta.net [188.39.127.10]
6 36 ms 37 ms 35 ms te4-4.telehouse-east.core.enta.net [188.39.127.75]
7 35 ms 35 ms 49 ms bbc-linx.pr01.thdow.bbc.co.uk [195.66.224.103]
8 * * * Request timed out.
9 63 ms 35 ms 39 ms ae0.er01.cwwtf.bbc.co.uk [132.185.254.93]
10 96 ms 35 ms 36 ms 132.185.255.165
11 35 ms 35 ms 35 ms bbc.co.uk [212.58.246.104]
Trace complete.
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It might be an idea to ask someone in the Entanet forum to do the same tracert (by IP address perhaps?) for comparison. (But a straight cross-post might annoy tbb  ).
It's also worth pointing out to others that the first hop after your router is ADSL24/Coms, so it could be the Entanet routers are the other side of Coms and may just be rented net access going nowhere near the Entanet WBC nodes. As I expect you know from other threads.
My broadband basic info/help site - www.robertos.me.uk | Domains,site and mail hosting - Tsohost.
Connection - Plusnet UnLim Fibre (FTTC). Sync ~ 59.4/14.4Mbps @ 600m. - BQM
"Where talent is a dwarf, self-esteem is a giant." - Jean-Antoine Petit-Senn.
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Edited by RobertoS (Sun 02-Feb-14 12:04:05)
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Thank you RobertoS.
Does that tracert confirm though, that I am not on a TalkTalk network at any stage?
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You could easily be using the TT DSLAM. Was it you with only Sky and TT LLU in your exchange? If so and you were on LLU, then that would be what you were on before.
You never know re TT network. Maybe that's what gets you to hop 2. Not all routers necessarily show up on a tracert.
So as well as an Enta user tracert, you need a TT user tracert.
My broadband basic info/help site - www.robertos.me.uk | Domains,site and mail hosting - Tsohost.
Connection - Plusnet UnLim Fibre (FTTC). Sync ~ 59.4/14.4Mbps @ 600m. - BQM
"Where talent is a dwarf, self-esteem is a giant." - Jean-Antoine Petit-Senn.
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No, I'm on Woking.
There are a few other LLU providers on this one.
...and unfortunately, although many cabinets have FTTC, my one doesn't 
I'll ask some kind souls for tracert's from their providers to compare.
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ripe.net shows hop2 assigned to Coms/ADSL24.
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Does this then suggest that I am on the old BTWholesale product? No, but your router stats might.
1999: Freeserve 48K Dial-Up => 2005: Wanadoo 1 Meg BB => 2007: Orange 2 Meg BB => 2008: Orange 8 Meg LLU => 2010: Orange 16 Meg LLU => 2011: Orange 20 Meg WBC
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How?
My broadband basic info/help site - www.robertos.me.uk | Domains,site and mail hosting - Tsohost.
Connection - Plusnet UnLim Fibre (FTTC). Sync ~ 59.4/14.4Mbps @ 600m. - BQM
"Where talent is a dwarf, self-esteem is a giant." - Jean-Antoine Petit-Senn.
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Allergy information: This post was manufactured in an environment where nuts are present. It may include traces of understatement, litotes and humour.
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Eh? I thought from this thread that it is uncertain what service OP is on.
By G.DMT, 448K?
1999: Freeserve 48K Dial-Up => 2005: Wanadoo 1 Meg BB => 2007: Orange 2 Meg BB => 2008: Orange 8 Meg LLU => 2010: Orange 16 Meg LLU => 2011: Orange 20 Meg WBC
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It could suggest that you are on a LLU service with Coms but they use Enta for transit.
In fact,their AS confirms it.
http://bgp.he.net/AS51901
AS25061 Associated Networks Limited
AS8468 ENTANET International Limited
AS174 Cogent Communications
This is quite normal but just means that in addtion to AN and Cogent, they have Enta too.
Enta used to do 100Mb partial (peered routes only, generally) for £100 back in the day but looks like a full feed. We see it via Enta to Coms on two different full feeds our end.
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AS path: 25577 8468 51901 ? > to 84.45.48.5 via ge-1/0/6.0
[BGP/170] 1w3d 10:38:35, localpref 200 AS path: 24931 8468 51901 ?
> to 46.236.33.61 via ge-1/0/5.0 |
Matt
Edited by uno (Sun 02-Feb-14 17:06:17)
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Catch up at the back BatBoy  .
My broadband basic info/help site - www.robertos.me.uk | Domains,site and mail hosting - Tsohost.
Connection - Plusnet UnLim Fibre (FTTC). Sync ~ 59.4/14.4Mbps @ 600m. - BQM
"Where talent is a dwarf, self-esteem is a giant." - Jean-Antoine Petit-Senn.
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Allergy information: This post was manufactured in an environment where nuts are present. It may include traces of understatement, litotes and humour.
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A post in his thread in Resellers says "My router syncs at 8053 kbps". So could be anything.
Edited by RobertoS (Sun 02-Feb-14 17:41:34)
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Just to clear up any possible misunderstanding for the users Matt, does that mean, along with the first hop being to ADSL24/Coms (as per my earlier post), that they are not "using Enta" in the sense of the same way as an Enta reseller with their traffic going through Enta WBC nodes, but that they possibly/probably have their own WBMC MSIL somewhere?
My broadband basic info/help site - www.robertos.me.uk | Domains,site and mail hosting - Tsohost.
Connection - Plusnet UnLim Fibre (FTTC). Sync ~ 59.4/14.4Mbps @ 600m. - BQM
"Where talent is a dwarf, self-esteem is a giant." - Jean-Antoine Petit-Senn.
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Allergy information: This post was manufactured in an environment where nuts are present. It may include traces of understatement, litotes and humour.
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They are unlikely to be terminated by Enta.
The first hop is a Coms hop, likely a coms router. Between the customers router and hop one will be the underlying wholesale network which you never see.
The coms router will then have internal peering to their routers and then on to the wider internet, via their transits (Enta, Cogent et all).
So they are not "using Enta" in the context of how this forum would refer it... they are only getting an IP transit feed from them as you would from any transit such as NTT/Level3 and so on.
Matt
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Thanks . That, put better, more technically, and more authoritatively, is what I have been suggesting to a few of them for a while might be the case.
They have no need to fear "Enta", but there do appear to be capacity or balance problems under Coms control that they need to sort PDQ.
My broadband basic info/help site - www.robertos.me.uk | Domains,site and mail hosting - Tsohost.
Connection - Plusnet UnLim Fibre (FTTC). Sync ~ 59.4/14.4Mbps @ 600m. - BQM
"Where talent is a dwarf, self-esteem is a giant." - Jean-Antoine Petit-Senn.
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Allergy information: This post was manufactured in an environment where nuts are present. It may include traces of understatement, litotes and humour.
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To avoid any ambiguity on this, use the Cogent looking glass at http://www.cogentco.com/en/network/looking-glass
Put 109.224.191.50 (or any new Coms IP there) and it won't even hit Enta but will get to the destination (if it responded to traceroutes!
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10 | traceroute to 109.224.191.50 (109.224.191.50), 30 hops max, 60 byte packets
1 te1-2.3.ccr01.ber01.atlas.cogentco.com (130.117.254.89) 0.342 ms 0.350 ms 2 te0-17-0-7.ccr41.ham01.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.59.181) 4.216 ms 4.239 ms
3 be2186.ccr21.ams03.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.74.121) 13.594 ms be2187.ccr22.ams03.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.74.125) 13.612 ms 4 be2277.mpd21.lon13.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.62.145) 21.060 ms be2288.mpd22.lon13.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.62.149) 22.264 ms
5 te3-2.mag01.lon13.atlas.cogentco.com (130.117.50.58) 21.305 ms te1-1.mag01.lon13.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.56.78) 20.973 ms 6 te1-4.ccr02.lhr01.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.62.166) 22.007 ms te4-2.ccr02.lhr01.atlas.cogentco.com (130.117.50.218) 21.972 ms
7 149.6.9.170 (149.6.9.170) 21.838 ms 21.980 ms 8 * *
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but is direct:
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| BGP routing table entry for 109.224.160.0/19, version 25973674
Paths: (1 available, best #1, table Default-IP-Routing-Table) 51901
149.6.9.170 (metric 10119052) from 38.28.1.137 (38.28.1.137) Origin incomplete, metric 0, localpref 130, valid, internal, best
Community: 174:11106 174:20999 174:21101 174:22012 Originator: 38.28.1.3, Cluster list: 38.28.1.137, 38.28.1.250, 38.28.1.30 |
I suspect Coms pref Enta over their other transits for various reasons (i.e QoS or cost) as nearly all BGP-based networks can do. Might help them if they updated the reverse DNS though on each end of the peer to something like enta-peer.coms.com or something which might calm fears a little.
Matt
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A post in his thread in Resellers says "My router syncs at 8053 kbps". So could be anything. Make up your mind!
Exactly! And the OP in this thread asked "Does this then suggest that I am on the old BTWholesale product?" to which my suggestions are attempting to answer.
1999: Freeserve 48K Dial-Up => 2005: Wanadoo 1 Meg BB => 2007: Orange 2 Meg BB => 2008: Orange 8 Meg LLU => 2010: Orange 16 Meg LLU => 2011: Orange 20 Meg WBC
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The router stats show he is on ADSL2+. They do not show G.DMT. I don't see how his router stats could show whether or not he was on BT Wholesale. Which is what you thought they might. My "How?" stands .
My broadband basic info/help site - www.robertos.me.uk | Domains,site and mail hosting - Tsohost.
Connection - Plusnet UnLim Fibre (FTTC). Sync ~ 59.4/14.4Mbps @ 600m. - BQM
"Where talent is a dwarf, self-esteem is a giant." - Jean-Antoine Petit-Senn.
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Allergy information: This post was manufactured in an environment where nuts are present. It may include traces of understatement, litotes and humour.
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Come off it! This is never ending! Do you read these posts fully?
What router stats? I see none here. If in some other thread, then all the OP (or you if you are so concerned) need answer to my Q is a link to it.
Read OP's Q and my quoting of it again; he asked 'am I on the old BTWholesale product?'.
I don't really understand the later posts in this thread about peering and transits. So maybe my Q has been answered. I don't really know as that stuff could just be after it's handed off by BTw into ISP's network.
All this kerfuffle and argument in response to a simple Q ! It's really OTT!
1999: Freeserve 48K Dial-Up => 2005: Wanadoo 1 Meg BB => 2007: Orange 2 Meg BB => 2008: Orange 8 Meg LLU => 2010: Orange 16 Meg LLU => 2011: Orange 20 Meg WBC
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Hi guys I'm really sorry if I have confused matters by not reporting with the correct terminology.
Thank you very much for your concern and expertise.
Basically I have a stable line syncing at just over 8Mb.
My ISP was ADSL24 who have just been bought out by Coms.
My previous connection was fine and I achieved 8Mb speeds (900KB/s or so) pretty much 24/7.
Since being switched through Coms' network I am now seeing good speeds early in the morning but these drop as the day wears on so much that come evening time I only see 1 - 2Mb.
This has happened for 3 days in a row now.
I will also add that as the speed begins to drop off, it is usenet speed that drops off before http.
The service is obviously shaped/prioritised and oversubscribed.
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I think they haven't bought enough bandwidth for all their customers. That's the usual reason.
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You could go back to the same setup that you had with ADSL24 before Coms moved us over.
If you go with Xilo, on their TTB LLU option, they use Daisy Wholesale, just like ADSL24 used to.
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Hi Garl.
Sounds good.
So which network do you think we're on with Coms?
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Have a look at my post here where I describe the setup as I understand it.
I think Coms do have their own network and Entanet are just a peering partner
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Now would you mind humouring me and posting your router stats or a link to them, as said to exist somewhere, despite the objections of others?
1999: Freeserve 48K Dial-Up => 2005: Wanadoo 1 Meg BB => 2007: Orange 2 Meg BB => 2008: Orange 8 Meg LLU => 2010: Orange 16 Meg LLU => 2011: Orange 20 Meg WBC
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I think Coms do have their own network and Entanet are just a peering partner See the uno posts in this thread .
My broadband basic info/help site - www.robertos.me.uk | Domains,site and mail hosting - Tsohost.
Connection - Plusnet UnLim Fibre (FTTC). Sync ~ 59.4/14.4Mbps @ 600m. - BQM
"Where talent is a dwarf, self-esteem is a giant." - Jean-Antoine Petit-Senn.
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Allergy information: This post was manufactured in an environment where nuts are present. It may include traces of understatement, litotes and humour.
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Hi XRaySpeX....
What exactly are you after mate?
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OK, for the last time ...
Your router stats = the place where you see your reported 8053K sync speed. Just copy everything there.
You do realise that I was trying to help you?
1999: Freeserve 48K Dial-Up => 2005: Wanadoo 1 Meg BB => 2007: Orange 2 Meg BB => 2008: Orange 8 Meg LLU => 2010: Orange 16 Meg LLU => 2011: Orange 20 Meg WBC
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Hi XRaySpeX.
I'm sorry I haven't posted my router stats.
I did actually copy them to a .txt file but before I got round to posting them for you, I read a message from my ISP (Coms) indicating that they had made some changes to their network.
These changes have had a positive effect on my service which is now totally back to normal.
So for now all's well with the World.
I know you were trying to help and I thank you very much for your generosity, expertise and time in doing so.
All the very best.
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