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France Rules Against Misuse of �Fibre Optic Broadband� in ISP Adverts
We are being duped, one day we might all have true high speed fibre optic broadband FTTH/P (Fibre To The Home/Premises).
http://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2015/07/france-...
http://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2014/12/2015-up...
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To be honest the general public don't care what it is called. Whether it is called fibre optic, hybrid fibre or string most of the public wouldn't understand the difference. All they care about is what they can do with it and in that case the speed it can run it for them is far more important than the technology it runs over.
And those of us that do know the difference are not being duped - again, they can call it what they like - I know the difference.
And if it is important to a person when moving house then hopefully they have done a little research and know what cable, FTTC and FTTP are - and the information about what a property can get is out there.
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Oh and this was a row over fttb and ftth rather than c versus h
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True. But, if FTTB actually gives a gigabit connection then who cares if it is copper or coax.
The main question will be contention - if there are 50 users sharing a single gigabit fibre then peak times may not achieve gigabit speeds of actual throughput - but none of these current discussions seem to be about actual throughput, only about connection speeds.
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I also think that the general public also don't appreciate that "traffic jams" etc can/do occur on any network, ie there is a physical limit to the capacity, whether the network is shared/common carrier or single/private user.
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I am glad to see that there is something the French are doing correctly.
I've been tempted to complain to the ASA here in the UK. Unlike FTTP, FTTC still suffers from the same cross talk and capacitance problems as ADSL. Even with ADSL I presume that most of the path between me and some distant site is fibre rather than metal/copper.
Michael Chare
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Well why don't you then.
I've done it and got nowhere (it was rejected) and spent a lot of my time on it.
So why not someone else have a go now and cite the French case as new evidence. to prevent them dismissing it straight off as already having been considered.
add it a bit about EU harmonisation across telecoms and you might have a better chance.
It needs a proper almost legalese formal letter setting out reasons and background - not just your usual forum rant about why you don't like it.
Here is the address.
Advertising Standards Authority Limited
Mid City Place
71 High Holborn
London
WC1V 6QT
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The trouble is educating the masses as to what the difference is between the different terms. As I said before most people have no way of comparing FTTC, FTTP, FTTB, Cable, etc - they don't know the general pros and cons of them they just know that someone says it's faster than what they had before, assuming that you ignore contention.
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And what about Virgin claiming "powered by DOCSIS" - how can you get power out of a specification? And a picture of Co-Ax? ADSL & VDSL have specifications too.
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Yes, the virgin advertisement is a bit pathetic isn't it....
I wonder why they don't explain that the virgin network connects like 4 bedrooms to one tv aerial, and by doing this your connection will be more vulnerable to noise and will have higher jitter values compared to the dedicated pair to DSLAM! 
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Indeed:
As I recall one such reason for dismissal was that most/vast majority of UK people did not have access to FTTP and nor were the vast majority looking for a technically superior solution to their issues: just a better than current service; so it(FTTP/FTTC) was not really relevant as a decision/choice was not required to be made.
I countered this by saying I did not have access to buy a Maserati (being a technically superior vehicle while not suitable for most) but that did not mean a Maserati could be mis-described as being a family car similar to a Ford Focus.
I also listed some places where BT's FTTC and FTTP from an altnet WERE both available.
I think the last person to have a go at the ASA on this matter was the AAISP boss.
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The connection appears more vulnerable to noise because DOCSIS 3.0 isn't especially rate adaptive and uses a single carrier for each channel, rather than DMT or similar, so relatively narrowband noise can have quite an impact while on xDSL it'd just splat a couple of tones.
There's far more ingress and crosstalk on xDSL. Anyone who's had the fun of REIN or SHINE is likely to disagree with your assessment too. Shielded coax versus unshielded twisted pair isn't too much of a contest.
We've had an issue here where a faulty DVD player in a nearby flat was causing REIN and either completely knocked out or dropped to 256k or lower downstream ADSL broadband here, and ongoing issues with ingress nearer the exchange causing lower than expected upstream speeds - prior to moving to VDSL I was received 128k up due to this.
The issues with DOCSIS, rate adaption, etc, are being dealt with in DOCSIS 3.1, which will use OFDMA and have the capability to run at higher speeds with existing equipment.
Edited by deleted (Thu 30-Jul-15 16:10:44)
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I'm aware of the differences and bonuses of DOCSIS vs xDSL connections, I only pointed out the weaknesses of DOCSIS compared to xDSL based on the advertising at VM... however I do agree with your statements regarding DSL and REIN...
The ability for DOCSIS to use much higher frequencies through shielded coax is far better than the tiny frequencies that can be used on twisted pair.
If DOCSIS 3.1 can get rid of the the issues I highlighted that would be great though VM putting enough bandwidth in place to give customers a half decent services around the clock would be better...
Crawley's still crawling along at pre ADSL speeds in the evenings despite all the promises of an overhaul on headends in Crawley and Kent... not as much as seen a cabinet repaired locally even though they where all supposed to be getting facelifts and innards sorted.
Suppose 5+ years isn't long enough to improve anything though ay! 
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I'm aware of the differences and bonuses of DOCSIS vs xDSL connections, I only pointed out the weaknesses of DOCSIS compared to xDSL based on the advertising at VM... however I do agree with your statements regarding DSL and REIN...
You expressed it in terms of the construction of the physical topology though, which isn't really the problem. Physically the VM network is usually vastly superior; DOCSIS, its limitations, and its heritage are where many of the issues lie.
If you want an idea of that heritage DOCSIS 3.0 still sends data in MPEG-2 transport streams.
I have no idea regarding the issues in Crawley; I stopped asking questions and following up on it a while ago.
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OK, after your encouragement, I have made an online submission. My previous complaint about a Plusnet advert was upheld, but I don't know if I shall be so fortunate this time.
Michael Chare
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I have no idea regarding the issues in Crawley; I stopped asking questions and following up on it a while ago.
Yep, me too... most my neighbours have binned them off now, those that havn't yet plan too.
The last I heard which was last week is that speeds on a 100 meg service never get above around 20mbps when and only have they managed 50meg twice in last couple of months.
Most of this testing was more than likely done at peak times, and was using speedtest.net so I have no idea what there single streams would look like, but I imagine not too good!
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the mis use of fibre optic is widespread.
considering how prevalent it is , any and all broadband technologies can be called Fibre Optic as at some point in the chain they will have Fibre involved.
It is a bit like calling an A road a motorway as it joins onto one at some point
Anyway back to upgrading our "Fibre optic wireless" networks !
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Unfortunately Andrew, the ThinkBroadband speed test isn't being used by many locally as they are doing what the ISP tells them which is use the Virgin Media test servers on speedtest.net...
Also the data your presenting represents the nation and not a network area or even region.
and what works for one won't work for the other in this case.
However if you have any up to date figures for Crawley then I wouldn't mind having a look 
ALSO: Just looked at Broadband maps and even though I can see my many Plusnet tests (907) there only seems to be one Virgin Media speed test when there was many... any particular reason for this?
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Edited by mlmclaren (Fri 31-Jul-15 10:26:43)
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Usually down to people not entering a postcode
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Well I certainly was entering a postcode and they where on the maps not too long back!
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