Openreach responsibilities

Where do BT Openreach's responsibilities stop at the exchange end?

In relation to what product?

At the end of the 'jumper' the connecting wire between BTw telephony equipment and the bar pair.

On full LLU lines they also own/maintain the 'tie pairs' between the MDF and the LLU equipment.

Why do you ask ?

In reply to a post by Zarjaz:

At the end of the 'jumper' the connecting wire between BTw telephony equipment and the bar pair.

On full LLU lines they also own/maintain the 'tie pairs' between the MDF and the LLU equipment.

Why do you ask ?

Curiosity in view of the potential split from the rest of BT.

On the Openreach website the faq says:

"Q6 What does 'improving service' look like?
Openreach strives not just to provide, maintain and repair the access and backhaul infrastructures, but to improve both service and reliability. We are also reinventing our infrastructure to support the continuing success of the UK telecommunications industry - ultimately enabling it to deliver more choice, better products and lower prices for its customers and to build profitable businesses."

which AIUI conflicts with what you said as it includes backhaul!

wonder if its to do with your alternaive network provision that does not use the openreach network --

In reply to a post by MrSaffron:

In relation to what product?

I was more wondering about the possible split from the rest of BT and what might be involved. How much of the exchange and backhaul equipment for phone and broadband services are Openreach responsible for?

In reply to a post by Michael_Chare:

which AIUI conflicts with what you said as it includes backhaul!

Not really.
An Openreach provided backhaul circuit (e.g. an EAD or EBD) will be a separate circuit from the exchange to the Service Providers' network.
The principle is still the same where Openreach are responsible for the circuit, but not the equipment it's plugged into at the end.

In reply to a post by Michael_Chare:

I was more wondering about the possible split from the rest of BT and what might be involved. How much of the exchange and backhaul equipment for phone and broadband services are Openreach responsible for?

Lots. BT Wholesale pay Openreach for backhaul from exchanges and core network. They are Openreach's anchor tenant. TalkTalk and Sky pay Openreach for most of their backhaul circuits which they use to connect chains of exchanges and in some instances from the exchanges to their own networks. WLR is managed by Openreach.

In reply to a post by Zarjaz:

At the end of the 'jumper' the connecting wire between BTw telephony equipment and the bar pair.

On full LLU lines they also own/maintain the 'tie pairs' between the MDF and the LLU equipment.

Why do you ask ?

As Ignition has said, it's not quite as simple as that because Openreach provide the backhaul at most of the exchanges for the LLU providers anyway. Very rare to see a manhole outside of an exchange that says Easynet or Sky on it, for example. So the split would become even more complicated if you think about it.

I read the OP as referring purely to the consumer^* line.

To extend that post to cover all the functions of and facilities/products Openreach provide, which others are doing in this thread, doesn't feel to me to be a valid thing to do.

I cannot believe such a question would have been worded as the OP is. It would surely have been more direct, such as "What does Openreach do as well as supply consumer^* lines?"
_{* - Including business lines.}

In reply to a post by RobertoS:

To extend that post to cover all the functions of and facilities/products Openreach provide, which others are doing in this thread, doesn't feel to me to be a valid thing to do.

The question made no reference to consumer, and was inspired by the efforts of Talk Talk and Sky to split Openreach from BT.

In which case:-

In reply to a post by RobertoS:

I cannot believe such a question would have been worded as the OP is. It would surely have been more direct, such as "What does Openreach do as well as supply consumer^* lines?"
_{* - Including business lines.}

It does plenty that is nothing whatsoever to do with things "at the exchange end". You could have simply asked the question you wanted answered. Your question gives no clue whatsoever to what you now say inspired it.

However, I see after people were confused, you did explain yourself later.

Edited by RobertoS (Sat 10-Oct-15 19:45:36)

The reality is that Ofcom has a complex task ahead and in a climate where there is massive pressure for 100% coverage which is much higher than the pressure for cheaper services.

His follow up question mentioned backhaul which is why we mentioned it too

In reply to a post by Icaras:

Very rare to see a manhole outside of an exchange that says Easynet or Sky on it,

My local market town exchange has manhole covers and duct routes from Vodafone, Sprint, Eastern Group Telecom, Viatel, Cable and Wireless, Telewest amongst many others outside. Of course none of them offer alternative connectivity FTTC/P to any residential customers.

But more to the point. I've never seen a manhole cover or pole with Openreach written on it.

They all have BT stamped as owners.

We know who owns the pension deficit of Openreach, BT. None of the other players contribute. Who owns the outside plant? Poles, structures and duct routes that have both Openreach and BT Wholesale cables and tubes contained within.

That's just your market town. There may be reasons for that.

As a general rule in most towns or villages you'll only see manhole covers with BT, GPO or PO on (ie all Openreach). In cities or larger towns you'll see all sorts though. But they never say Openreach on them, even the brand new ones say BT.

In answer to who owns outside plant, it's Openreach. I don't know why you'd think Wholesale would own that.

Edited by deleted (Sun 11-Oct-15 12:33:15)