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Standard User deleted
(deleted) Sun 08-Jan-17 23:00:27
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Resync, new IP address, check IP city matches home address?


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When using whatismyipaddress.com and iplocation.net I have noticed tracking to my home address how does it do this? If I resync get a new IP address and either immediately or within hours these sites are updated with my home address! How is this possible and is I doing it for any other members?
Standard User Banger
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Sun 08-Jan-17 23:19:45
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Not accurate for me and I have a static IP, and it ranges from London to Sheffield and other areas. Im in the North East.

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(deleted) Sun 08-Jan-17 23:50:21
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It tells me I'm in Sunbury on Thames, London, and Rochdale.

This one tells me I'm near Ladbroke Grove: https://www.where-am-i.net/

And Statcounter logs me as in Merton, Wimbledon.

I'm in the North East too.


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Standard User Michael_Chare
(fountain of knowledge) Sun 08-Jan-17 23:54:00
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What ISP are you using? An app on a modern phone with wifi and a GPS could be updating some central database - maybe?

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(deleted) Mon 09-Jan-17 00:26:02
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At a guess, I'd say you're an asset of Google, possibly with an Android phone and a Gmail account, maybe using their DNS as well. That'd explain it.
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Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Mon 09-Jan-17 09:50:07
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Try turning off location information in your web browser, and not using Google while logged in

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(deleted) Tue 10-Jan-17 21:02:26
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Thanks all for suggestions but using ISP DNS and I have my phone off. I get a new IP address and it knows my location immediately (sometimes bit takes a few days but recently immediately) - phone still off and into browser with everything reset beforehand. Beginning to think ISP may be sharing information even though i cant believe they would I can't think of any other way for it to do it so quickly. Will need a bigger data set to proof that though! Something isn't sitting right here.
Standard User RobertoS
(elder) Tue 10-Jan-17 21:31:15
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You may be very close to a POP (Point of presence). A tracert by the tester to you is likely to pick up the final address, which will always be the same.

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(deleted) Tue 10-Jan-17 22:10:54
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It's very likely you're signed in to multiple 'services' that track by default, (Google, YouTube, Facebook, Twitter, Instagram etc. etc.) if you've ever ticked a box that said 'stay signed in' or words to that effect, then there's the potential cause. The only way to slow down the tracking is to clear all cookies, saved credentials, change the MAC address of your network adapters, change the identifying info in your browser and OS and on the not-so-outside chance that you're being identified by your WiFi MAC and name by your neighbours running some adware / spyware (and that nice project that Google did to map all the streets in the world, just for our convenience). In short, something is reporting your IP address and geolocating you by GPS or the known location of nearby WiFi stations. If I were you, i'd start by learning how to use Wireshark and monitor outbound traffic...
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(deleted) Tue 10-Jan-17 22:19:46
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Just a thought... have you actually looked at the privacy(!) policy? It may be that the site has cookies or other tracking info stored about you and updates the IP to your known location every time you visit...
http://whatismyipaddress.com/privacy-policy

Again, they don't provide 'free' services for nothing - if it's free to you, then you're the product they are selling, mostly to advertisers.
Standard User Michael_Chare
(fountain of knowledge) Wed 11-Jan-17 00:03:35
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You could try switching off/disconnecting all your devices from your network but just leave the router going.

Then power cycle or disconnect the router from the telephone line and go to one of those websites from your network by using someone elses laptop or mobile phone. i.e. a device that does not have any of your personal data on it.

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(knowledge is power) Thu 12-Jan-17 17:12:48
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In reply to a post by johnq82:
How is this possible and is I doing it for any other members?

Hi, Yes I see that. I have a static IP address so can't reproduce changing the IP like you can.

I'm interested in Geo Location etc. and thought I understood roughly how it worked.
Google famously collected people's wifi SSIDs while they were putting Google Street View together etc. smile

But taking another look at things I can see the 'location' tracking world has moved on.
There are now many companies in the GeoIP (as well as Geo Location) business!
Providers such as Maxmind offer paid for and free/opensource databases which are regularly updated.

They all use a combination of data sources - so some may use the Google Location Service but rather worryingly Maxmind (and no doubt others) are getting their info from data mining including online commerce.
In Maxmind's Privacy Policy it mentions:
"Among other things, MaxMind obtains IP addresses and order information (including customer name and billing address)
through its minFraud service. MaxMind uses the billing location from this data along with other data to create databases
that pair IP addresses with the locations in which they are likely being used, down to a postal code level of resolution.
"

So if I've read this correctly it looks like online sellers trying to protect themselves from fraud and use services such as 'minFraud' are passing IP and postal address (and more!) to these location database providers... This is all new to me!
Good to prevent fraud but not so good for privacy frown

So I'm guessing it's data collection combined with the other Geo Location methods that soon find your new IP. Poking around Googling GeoIP and seeing what's going on it looks like it will be hard to stop this...

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