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Standard User Banger
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Sat 08-Apr-17 15:48:29
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G.INP has given me another 10m in sync


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G.INP kicked in today and my sync has gone from 46 to 54 very near the attainable. Margin is about 6.2db didn't think I would get a 9m rise.

Tim
www.uno.net.uk & freenetname
Asus DSL-N55U and TP-Link WD9970 on 80 Meg LLU Fibre
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Standard User RobertoS
(elder) Sat 08-Apr-17 15:52:02
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Nope smile. That sounds about right.

Luvly, innit!

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Standard User Banger
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Sat 08-Apr-17 16:52:31
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Yes strange thing was I was synced at 54 but only getting 44 download so rebooted into another OS to check and the same. So rebooted router and bam 53 download, do TTB have a profiling system?

Tim
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Standard User deleted
(deleted) Sat 08-Apr-17 17:43:44
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Haha! That's great news!
Standard User RobertoS
(elder) Sat 08-Apr-17 18:23:28
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They certainly don't have a published one like BT Wholesale, but all providers are supposed to have a system to prevent traffic from their inhouse routers reaching the DSLAM/MSAN faster that it can go down your line. In other words, prevent it arriving above your sync rate after allowing for the xDSL overheads that take up some of it.

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Standard User deleted
(deleted) Sat 08-Apr-17 18:26:40
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Yeah, as IIRC it would cause exchange bottlenecks and line instability.
Standard User Banger
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Sat 08-Apr-17 19:18:46
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Thanks.

Tim
www.uno.net.uk & freenetname
Asus DSL-N55U and TP-Link WD9970 on 80 Meg LLU Fibre
http://www.thinkbroadband.com/speedtest/button/14910...

Standard User Banger
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Sat 08-Apr-17 19:30:51
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Does Upstream G.INP ever get enabled?

Tim
www.uno.net.uk & freenetname
Asus DSL-N55U and TP-Link WD9970 on 80 Meg LLU Fibre
http://www.thinkbroadband.com/speedtest/results.html...
Standard User RobertoS
(elder) Sat 08-Apr-17 19:54:51
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Not at the moment. IIRC it was upstream that threw the ECI cabinets first, so they disabled it for both those and Huawei, then discovered it still didn't work properly on ECI. Perhaps that showed them a Huawei problem as well.

Kindness isn't going to cure the world of all its awfulness but it's a good place to begin. Daisy Ridley.
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Standard User Banger
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Sat 08-Apr-17 20:40:58
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One thing for sure with the increase in speed it don't take long to wizz down a Windows ISO.

Tim
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Standard User deleted
(deleted) Sat 08-Apr-17 20:52:55
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Nope, it's been enabled on my line several times.
Standard User RobertoS
(elder) Sat 08-Apr-17 21:36:15
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Link.

I think it quite likely you are misinterpreting something in the stats. Perhaps some time you will supply some. Taken since it was disabled.

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Standard User deleted
(deleted) Sat 08-Apr-17 21:47:36
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Ok, so you see where it says 0.00 in this screenshot? That has been 50.00 before... https://i.gyazo.com/50a119b5f757209b8fbe13ed25e8374f...

Please stop presuming that I don't have a clue! I know a lot about how DSL works!

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Standard User Banger
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Sat 08-Apr-17 21:49:57
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Recently? Because I think Bob is talking historic.

Tim
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http://www.thinkbroadband.com/speedtest/results.html...
Standard User RobertoS
(elder) Sat 08-Apr-17 22:59:42
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Yeah, right! Show me, so we can see what the other stats are when it is 50. IIRC that line is not indicative of G.INP being enabled. It is also present on lines that clearly are not.

INP (Impulse Noise Protection) is present on ADSLx as well as VDSL2. Always has been.

Telnet stats are far more informative as they show G.INP definitively. Knowing as much as you do, no doubt next time you have an upstream figure you could give us those rather than a GUI-shot designed before Openreach implemented it.

> xdslctl info --stats
xdslctl: ADSL driver and PHY status
Status: Showtime
Last Retrain Reason: 0
Last initialization procedure status: 0
Max: Upstream rate = 13600 Kbps, Downstream rate = 64643 Kbps
Bearer: 0, Upstream rate = 13596 Kbps, Downstream rate = 63790 Kbps
Bearer: 1, Upstream rate = 0 Kbps, Downstream rate = 0 Kbps
Link Power State: L0
Mode: VDSL2 Annex B
VDSL2 Profile: Profile 17a
TPS-TC: PTM Mode(0x0)
Trellis: U:ON /D:ON
Line Status: No Defect
Training Status: Showtime
Down Up
SNR (dB): 6.1 6.1
Attn(dB): 19.1 0.0
Pwr(dBm): 13.7 7.4

VDSL2 framing
Bearer 0
MSGc: -6 26
B: 243 237
M: 1 1
T: 0 59
R: 10 16
S: 0.1218 0.5567
L: 16683 3650
D: 8 1
I: 254 127
N: 254 254
Q: 8 0
V: 0 0
RxQueue: 51 0
TxQueue: 17 0
G.INP Framing: 18 0
G.INP lookback: 17 0
RRC bits: 0 24
Bearer 1
MSGc: 154 -6
B: 0 0
M: 2 0
T: 2 0
R: 16 0
S: 6.4000 0.0000
L: 40 0
D: 3 0
I: 32 0
N: 32 0
Q: 0 0
V: 0 0
RxQueue: 0 0
TxQueue: 0 0
G.INP Framing: 0 0
G.INP lookback: 0 0
RRC bits: 0 0

Counters
Bearer 0
OHF: 0 59095
OHFErr: 6 44
RS: 2591400024 869139
RSCorr: 1968444 374
RSUnCorr: 0 0
Bearer 1
OHF: 37627455 0
OHFErr: 0 0
RS: 376273930 0
RSCorr: 4 0
RSUnCorr: 0 0

Retransmit Counters
rtx_tx: 87741 0
rtx_c: 18811 0
rtx_uc: 23 0

G.INP Counters
LEFTRS: 267 0
minEFTR: 63783 0
errFreeBits: 588066598 0

Bearer 0
HEC: 0 0
OCD: 0 0
LCD: 0 0
Total Cells: 1127247475 0
Data Cells: 94941999 0
Drop Cells: 0
Bit Errors: 0 0

Bearer 1
HEC: 0 0
OCD: 0 0
LCD: 0 0
Total Cells: 0 0
Data Cells: 0 0
Drop Cells: 0
Bit Errors: 0 0

ES: 5 44
SES: 0 0
UAS: 29 29
AS: 604466

Bearer 0
INP: 48.00 0.00
INPRein: 0.00 0.00
delay: 0 0
PER: 0.00 8.24
OR: 0.01 31.05
AgR: 63855.32 13627.08

Bearer 1
INP: 4.50 0.00
INPRein: 4.50 0.00
delay: 3 0
PER: 16.06 0.01
OR: 79.68 0.01
AgR: 79.68 0.01

Bitswap: 281347/301517 6808/6846


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My broadband basic info/help site - www.robertos.me.uk. Domains, site and mail hosting - Tsohost.
Connection - AAISP Home::1 80/20. Sync 63790/13596Kbps @ 600m. BQMs - IPv4 & IPv6
Standard User fishpan
(learned) Sat 08-Apr-17 23:46:53
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I had G.INP enabled about 2 days after activation back in mid-March 2017. First the DS G.inp was enabled at 16 interleave depth which went down to 8.

Then there were errors on the US which caused G.inp to be enabled at 8 interleave depth which eventually disappeared after a day to be replaced by fastpath.

So answer to your question is yes - it will most likely be enabled if you are on a Huawei line and DLM determines that your line would be better off with it (as opposed to fastpath.) Of course this is just 1 sample size out of many as Roberto has said.

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