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https://www.gov.uk/government/news/countdown-to-high...
Is there a list of designated providers?
Edited by deleted (Mon 23-Apr-18 15:04:37)
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Are you referring to the Universal Service Obligation, then you are early since it is not 2020 yet.
In short design and implementation in the hands of Ofcom
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Ofcom now has up to 2 years to implement the scheme, meaning that by 2020, everyone in the UK will have a legal right to an affordable connection of at least 10 Mbps, from a designated provider, no matter where they live or work, up to a reasonable cost threshold.
It says "by 2020" which is only two years away so I assume the list of designated providers is decided?
I ask because a client is just signing up with notspot for a EE 4G service and wondered whether that is classed as a designated provider? Or whether Openreach has to put in something so they can get min 10Mbps?
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No, the plans haven't got that far yet and the beauty parade may not be signed off until very close to the launch of the USO.
EDIT : Just to add, Ofcom haven't even gone out to providers yet and haven't defined the terms the providers would have to operate under. Don't hold your breath. They also haven't defined what will be considered a minimum but I don't think 4G would be an approved technology so something else may be provided under USO.
EDIT 2 : To add again... If 4G was considered to be adequate then no matter whether they have signed up for a service or not wouldn't be of relevance - the fact it is available would be enough to rule it out. But, as I said in edit 1 it is unlikely or the number of USO intervention sites would be much much lower than currently expected.
Edited by ian72 (Mon 23-Apr-18 13:40:43)
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Not for the first time with all of this, I've gone "eh?" 
So by 2020, one has a legal right to 10Mbps via some route yet undefined as long as it doesn't exceed £3,400 per premises (aggregated). What happens if Ofcom haven't got their act together? How to I exercise my legal right? Can I sue them?
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robnicholson
You misunderstand.
By 2020 OFCOM have to have a scheme running that will deliver the USO to anyone requesting a BB service that is over 10Mb where it is not possible to buy a 10Mb+ service at the time.
Not that before 2020 anyone will be able to order a USO service. This may happen but only if OFCOM deliver early.
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Essentially they have at least 19 months to set up the process (assuming it was by the start of 2020 rather than "by 2020" which could mean December 2020).
If Ofcom haven't got it sorted by then you would contact your MP presumably as it is the government that have mandated this on Ofcom (who will define and manage the process).
I guess you could try to sue Ofcom or the government, you might need deep pockets though and of course Parliament are free to change those laws whenever they wish if enough MPs vote for the change.
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Now I understand why you were asking what I was referring to I'd pasted the link in but hadn't put anything in the text box so the link was hidden. Link now revealed.
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Sorry, yes understand this doesn't kick in until 2020 but on that date one can "demand" they do the work to achieve at least 10Mbps assuming it's below the cost threshold or above if one agrees to pay the difference?
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And to give a real life example that one has shared before:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/00o672yrfomggy9/Bakestoned...
This is the site where I've shared photos of the fibre going in on telegraph poles all the way up the valley but uncertainty over availability in the area shown.
There are four houses at Moorside Farm - all served from a single pole. They get <3Mbps at the moment.
So am I right in thinking that sometime in 2020, they will have a legal right to min 10Mbps from one of these yet-to-be-announced designated providers as long as the installation cost is <£13,600 (£3,400 x 4) or more if they are willing to share the additional cost?
Edited by deleted (Mon 23-Apr-18 15:24:35)
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Not sure why you are asking the questions as it seems all the answers that currently exist are in the link you have provided. We don't know more than that and anything else someone says is conjecture and guess work. The answer to your last question there appears to be in the link.
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Now we have the link to the DCMS Press Release, I have taken up my hobby-horse with them  . Their third bullet point:- "A requirement for demand aggregation, so that people within an area can combine their per premise cost thresholds ...".
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Wow a whole 10Mbps.... considering the speed technology is changing and the demands of internet connected devices they should be making it FTTP for everyone instead of flogging that dead horse. Really what is the point?
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Have you considered who should pay for 100% FTTP throughout the entire UK and what it might cost? A worthwhile aspiration but not for 2020.
Personally I would prefer funds to be spent on health care, education and support for the elderly and infirm.
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I am sure everyone wants better healthcare, education, support for the elderly and infirm but frankly I do not care as that is a discussion for a different time, place and forum.
This is however the place to ask why are brand new housing estates being built right now and they are STILL having copper pairs supplying those houses? I was working in a new home today part of a third phase with over a 100 homes and every single one is copper pairs. This is a major city too and not some �out in the sticks farm village�
Cost per meter fibre/copper surely the fibre is cheaper..
As for who pays for it, bill me, add money to my bill! £2, £3, £4, £5 extra a month for everyone isnt going to break the bank is it!
Edited by derekdel (Tue 24-Apr-18 20:10:11)
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It is a poor show that new houses are being built that are connected with copper, there are some just been built in nearest town to me, they are connected with copper but they can get 'superfast' or I should say, they would be able to get 'superfast' if the residents hadn't been cleared out and housed at local Centre Parks whilst their houses are being rebuilt to prevent any more having the floors collapse, sometimes there are worse things than not having fast internet.
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There is a world of difference between ensuring/legislating that all new developments have fibre connections and an area where we are in agreement and your previous statement that the UK should have 100% FTTP with no thought or consideration given to how such expansion should be funded.
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And who would get given this additional funding you�d raise ?
On estates where there is �only� Openreach FTTP, the punters moan about their lack of choice of providers ...
Damned if ya do, and damned if ya don�t.
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There is a world of difference between ensuring/legislating that all new developments have fibre connections and an area where we are in agreement and your previous statement that the UK should have 100% FTTP with no thought or consideration given to how such expansion should be funded.
Maybe we should start making global conglomerates pay tax in the UK. 1 year of those taxes could pay for the entire roll-out as it is we roll over like companies like Apple the most cash rich company in the world [censored] us over time and time again.
If only people weren't such sheep. Government and local councils run by multi millionaires who like to take tax payers money to make themselves even more rich and really kick it to the working man on daily basis.
Won't be long till we occupy syria and hand the oil over the the good ol USA. That'll be another few billion to the taxpayers.
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The whole worldwide tax system needs sorting but as tax is set by each individual tax area then companies will continue to file their taxes in the most beneficial way to them. It could well be that after Brexit the UK will become a tax haven to some companies if certain people's wishes come true in which case we might actually be one of the countries they flock to because they will pay little or no tax here.
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Companies pay the tax owed it�s up to governments to set the rules.
If company taxes like corporation tax go up, then that cost is simply passed on to the consumer as an increased price. This is particularly true of things like iPhones where they�re not a commodity and you can�t simply buy an iPhone from another vendor.
Even if we did have higher tax revenue, it�s highly unlikely it would be spent on broadband rather than health or education.
Kris
Sky Fibre
Ashington (Northumberland) Exchange
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I agree about tax and said as much in my previous post. However, companies can choose to play nicely with the tax system and not go out of their way to put profits where taxes are low. Some companies would play on that as them being more moral than others but it has to be a trade off for "superior morality" against shareholder profits.
As far as iPhone you are correct but it is possible to move to Android - the problem is the companies also do all they can to tie you to their ecosystem to make that more difficult but there are alternatives to iPhone that can be much cheaper.
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