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Standard User techguy
(experienced) Thu 14-Jun-18 21:37:54
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FVA and alarms with tone signalling modems


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Have a monitored intruder/fire alarm and have switched from ADSL to FTTP.

When the system was installed back in 2004 I was advised by a senior engineer never to have ADSL broadband on the same line.

So when ADSL became available in my area I had a second line installed just to support it.

When I had FTTP installed I obviously cancelled that copper line but I still have the main landline coming into the house with the alarm and phone connected to it.

From what I understand the ONT supplies the same current through the TEL port as is supplied from the PSTN equipnment through the NTE as well as generating a dial tone so any connected equipment should operate in excagly the same way?

Would it be possible to get OR to run some copper from the ONT round the side of the house to connect to the existing NTE which also has the connection to the alarm run off it.

Would OR do such a thing and what would I technically be asking Zen for OR to do, would be classed as FVA installation or an extension?

I know price is down to the CP so I won't ask that.

Grateful for any advice, cheers

Virgin (ADSL) => Namesco => Newnet => O2 => Plusnet => Zen => Newnet => Zen => Freeola => Vivaciti (using O2 Wholesale DSL) => Xilo (C&W Wholesale) => Xilo (O2 Wholesale) => Xilo (TT Wholesale due to O2 Wholesale closure) => Zen LLU => Zen FTTP (39.5 Mbps down, 9.5 Mbps up)
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Standard User Zarjaz
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Thu 14-Jun-18 21:48:32
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Re: FVA and alarms with tone signalling modems


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I don�t believe Zen do an FVA service do they ?

It�s physically do-able .... Fit a PSTN jack on the end going into the ONT, then just run cable to where required. You then ought to have an FVA front plate on the NTE allowing switching between FVA and copper based dial tone.

Standard User Michael_Chare
(fountain of knowledge) Thu 14-Jun-18 21:51:26
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I use a Texecom Prenier Elite alarm control panel which has an accessory that connects to an ethernet port on my router.

Anyone could run a line from the Tel port on the ONT to a junction box near your NTE to which the downstream connections of your NTE could then be connected.

Michael Chare


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Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Thu 14-Jun-18 22:30:10
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While the voltage and PSTN will work over FVA - if the provider sells it (Zen don't) you may find the alarm providers terms insist on copper

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Standard User MHC
(sensei) Fri 15-Jun-18 00:16:10
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Is that ComIP of Connect? The ComIp was good enough to provide a full monitored system with some monitoring companies. The Connect interface is way better as it can provide details to both monitoring station and the owner's smart phone.


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Standard User PaulKirby
(knowledge is power) Fri 15-Jun-18 00:48:05
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In reply to a post by MrSaffron:
While the voltage and PSTN will work over FVA - if the provider sells it (Zen don't) you may find the alarm providers terms insist on copper
Most alarm providers won't work over FVA a neighbour of mine who upgraded to FTTP the same time as me had to keep his copper line for his alarm.

But he has reciently moved to FVA and upgraded his alarm to use their GSM Module.

Paul

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Standard User Michael_Chare
(fountain of knowledge) Fri 15-Jun-18 08:34:41
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It is just ComIP. It does send details to a smart phone which can be used to set and cancel the alarm. I can also access all the alarm functions with some Texecom software called Wintex. There is a more modern version of what I have.

Michael Chare
Standard User MHC
(sensei) Fri 15-Jun-18 08:47:39
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You should look at the Connect - performs the ComIP function and ComWiFi and the new phone App is way more advanced. There is also a replacement for Wintex due imminently - currently under test with some installers.


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Standard User ian72
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Fri 15-Jun-18 09:41:54
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Even if they do I wonder if the alarm system will use voice frequencies outside the range of what would be supported over what is a VoIP connection? Could FVA run a fax machine?
Standard User danielhyde
(newbie) Fri 15-Jun-18 10:05:41
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fax over voip works as long as T38 is enabled both ends
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