Huawei's equipment to be removed!

Huawei's equipment To be removed by BT over spy threat, glad I have an ECI cab now

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The cabs are not affected.

Think they evenually will be, or is that task too expensive?

Probably. It would be interesting to see what they would be replaced with. But, then would Huawei users loose G.INP?

They are not core equipment. Core equipment has been being replaced for several years. The cabinets do not, by the sound of things, contain any code that cannot be and hasn't been verified. It's fairly simple stuff.

The core routing and exchange equipment, and I know not what else they define as core, will have millions of lines of almost impenetrable (for checking purposes) machine code that could allow a hacker in. It may or may not be intentional on Huawei's part if it does, but the Chinese government's hackers would almost certainly find a entry point if there is one.

The 5G stuff it seems is similarly complex, and maybe tens of thousands of small street level boxes, with it being impossible to verify each one.

Read this article and the links within it to further information .

I expect the nunber of Huawei cabinets to continue to increase and the number of ECI possibly to decrease slightly

In reply to a post by derekdel:

Huawei's equipment To be removed by BT over spy threat, glad I have an ECI cab now

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Oh no! This means BT/Openreach will rip out the Huawei GPON hardware serving my FTTP line
[starts crying]

Edited by deleted (Wed 05-Dec-18 22:06:57)

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Things have just got interesting;

Huawei executive arrested in Canada

The arrest follows a request from the USA to where extradition is being sought. The lady detained is the deputy chair of Huawei so not an insignificant player.

I once had a Huawei router, issued by Talk T. It kept taking me to strange Chinese sites.

I think TT issued new software for it.

I think it may be in connection with:-

US media have reported that Huawei is under investigation for potential violations of US sanctions against Iran.

Some posts have been removed.

If people can explain why a company belonging to a particular nation is cause for their kit being removed then they are free to post

Thanks.

In reply to a post by witchunt:

I expect the nunber of Huawei cabinets to continue to increase and the number of ECI possibly to decrease slightly

Makes perfect sense. Huawei kit with an upgrade path to 512 lines can be installed to completely replace full ECI 256s.

What is wrong with saying "would you trust an Israeli company?" And I did not say it should be removed - I pointed out that they too are a foreign power.

People are saying that Huawei cannot be trusted because they are Chinese and Chinese hacking. Have a search for Israeli hacking and you will find a lot out there. Is there any proof that equipment supplied by an Israeli company will not have spyware or malicious code included?

Exactly. Not sure why my reply agreeing to it also was removed, too.

In reply to a post by MHC:

People are saying that Huawei cannot be trusted because they are Chinese and Chinese hacking. Have a search for Israeli hacking and you will find a lot out there.

There are hackers in all nations, there are hackers in USA too, should we bin all Apple products?

The point here is China's relationship with the West is not great, and the level of interference the Government of China can have in private business exceeds that which would be considered acceptable here.

In reply to a post by MHC:

What is wrong with saying "would you trust an Israeli company?" And I did not say it should be removed - I pointed out that they too are a foreign power.

People are saying that Huawei cannot be trusted because they are Chinese and Chinese hacking. Have a search for Israeli hacking and you will find a lot out there. Is there any proof that equipment supplied by an Israeli company will not have spyware or malicious code included?

To equate a democratic country (Israel) with a communist dictatorship renowned for it's state sponsored IP theft (China) meets the requirements of the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance definition of antisemitism. You are holding Israel to a higher standard than other countries. It's how Corbyn tied himself up in knots; he wants to be able to criticise Israel which is fine, but he also wants to hold them to a higher standard than other countries which is not fine.

Do trust ECI more than Huawei, dam sure I do. Do I trust anything that has left my network, er not on your life.

today's failure of O2 mobile data (Ericsson core routers) show it isn't just 'malicious code' that can cripple a network

+1. The post referred to is veiled Anti-semitism

In reply to a post by XRaySpeX:

+1. The post referred to is veiled Anti-semitism

Lol it didn�t take long for accusations of �Anti-semitism� to crop up. Some are saying ECI are no better/worse than Huawei wrt spying, nothing at all to do with with anti-semitism.

It's not funny! Shame you are unable to distinguish between the legitimate technical discussion of the OP and the ensuing racism.

Ok let�s get serious then:

Racism is wrong plain & simple, however criticising Huawei/China is nothing to do with racism.

Likewise criticising ECI/Israel is nothing to do with racism/anti-semitism.

Is that clear enough for you?

As for the OP, he is giving out the impression that ALL Huawei kit is being removed which is utter rubbish. It�s just core stuff but of course it sounds more �sensationalist� if you say (deliberately?) that it includes Huawei FTTC cabs as well.

Edited by deleted (Sat 08-Dec-18 09:23:50)

In reply to a post by baby_frogmella:

Racism is wrong plain & simple, however criticising Huawei/China is nothing to do with racism.

Likewise criticising ECI/Israel is nothing to do with racism/anti-semitism.

To pick up on jabuzzard's point, there are good reasons for exercising caution with kit from China.

There are no more reasons to distrust kit from Israel than there is to distrust kit from France or Belgium, unless you know otherwise?

Edited by Oliver341 (Sun 09-Dec-18 14:18:28)

In reply to a post by Oliver341:

In reply to a post by baby_frogmella:

Racism is wrong plain & simple, however criticising Huawei/China is nothing to do with racism.

Likewise criticising ECI/Israel is nothing to do with racism/anti-semitism.

To pick up on jabuzzard's point, there are good reasons for exercising caution with kit from China.

There are no more reasons to distrust kit from Israel than there is to distrust kit from France or Belgium, unless you know otherwise?

My reply was to the poster who was howling "anti-semitism!" & "racism!". I was simply pointing out that criticising an Israeli company - as one or two have already done in this thread - does not equate to anti-semitism.

Personally I don't trust any of them, however they are more than welcome to 'spy' on me, they will find I lead a very boring life

Edited by deleted (Sun 09-Dec-18 15:05:49)

Anyway, do any BT Group businesses have ECI kit in the core network? Where Huawei is being slowly removed. Starting several years ago. The cabinets are not an issue, as has been pointed out a few times, but is where this argument started.

In reply to a post by baby_frogmella:

My reply was to the poster who was howling "anti-semitism!" & "racism!". I was simply pointing out that criticising an Israeli company - as one or two have already done in this thread - does not equate to anti-semitism.

Except holding an Israeli company to a higher standard than a company from say France or the USA does as I pointed out fit the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance definition of antisemitism.

By equating a company from a communist dictatorship with close ties to the leaders to a company from a democratic country that was for a significant time a publicly traded company (currently private equity funds own it) does I am afraid equate to anti-semitism because you are holding ECI Telecom to a higher standard than say Cisco, Alcatel-Lucent, Ericsson, Nokia Networks etc.

I don't get all this panic over Chinese IT hardware, after all, the Government is getting a Chinese Nuclear Power Station

Which China will be able explode at will .

In reply to a post by XRaySpeX:

It's not funny! Shame you are unable to distinguish between the legitimate technical discussion of the OP and the ensuing racism.

Criticising Israel, its government, or a company from that country is NOT anti-Semitic.

That's a very very ignorant point of view.

I didn't see ANYONE criticising the Jewish or the Jewish community.

Grow up.

Well said, John.

Really? It is not just criticism when it is obvious that a few posters here are being anti-Semitic by holding Israel & its firms to a higher standard than the rest of the democratic world.

It's you that is being ignorant of the state of the world today.

I think it would be best to just move on.

In reply to a post by XRaySpeX:

Really? It is not just criticism when it is obvious that a few posters here are being anti-Semitic by holding Israel & its firms to a higher standard than the rest of the democratic world.

It's you that is being ignorant of the state of the world today.

It is yourself who is being ridiculous. A person bring opposed to some or all actions of the state of Israel or even of an Israeli company is neither antisemitic nor tell you anything of their personal beliefs or views of the Jewish religion.

To equate criticism of some actions of the state of Israel with being antisemitic is extremism of the kind that many of us, including the Jewish community, would like to see eliminated.

In reply to a post by MCM:

To equate criticism of some actions of the state of Israel

I thought we were talking about an Israeli company and not the state of Israel?

There's a big difference between criticising the state of Israel for breaching UN resolutions, and suggesting an Israeli company can't be trusted without offering any justification for your assertions.

Edited by Oliver341 (Thu 13-Dec-18 21:31:21)

Closed to draw a line under things