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Standard User Zarjaz
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Mon 13-Jan-20 20:40:07
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That was it ..........

Standard User gary333
(member) Mon 13-Jan-20 21:55:27
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Not related but thought might be interesting whilst we are on the topic of older TV/network technology is that of British Relay Services / Rediffusion. I'd never heard of this service until an ancient video popped up on You Tube a couple of weeks ago. However, it looks like in certain areas they installed "cable" / twisted pairs and that this was seperate to the GPO/BT telephone service and was a way of receiving TV channels without the "unsightlyness" of TV aerials

Anyone shed any light of what may have happened to this network (the infrastructure), was it used for anything else after the company removed the service? There is pretty much no information on the internet that comes up with searches and even Wikipedia is scant.

Edited by gary333 (Mon 13-Jan-20 21:58:20)

Standard User Brunel
(experienced) Mon 13-Jan-20 23:34:30
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[re: gary333] [link to this post]
 
http://www.hackhull.com/projects/rediffusion/index.html

https://youtu.be/ltI09lTuGjk

Edited by Brunel (Tue 14-Jan-20 11:27:50)


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Standard User Zarjaz
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Tue 14-Jan-20 06:10:55
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I believe evidence of the Rediffusion service can still be seen on some of the terraces in Reading.

Standard User kitcat
(experienced) Tue 14-Jan-20 16:52:01
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In S Wales ( & elsewhere) it was taken over by NTL and converted to CATV and is now part of the Virgin media empire..
Standard User kitcat
(experienced) Tue 14-Jan-20 16:57:41
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Zarjaz

It would still have been earlier if OFCOM under the labour govn in 2004 hadn't banned BT yet again from doing it.

I remember the ITT well and the FTTP technology looked great to roll out but we were told we had to provide copper alongside so that LLU operators would not be disadvantaged and BT was banned from using the 2nd optical frequency for CATV as this would disadvantage CATV operators. ( This is what was rolled out in the states when some Operators ripped out the copper as well).
Standard User broadband66
(knowledge is power) Tue 14-Jan-20 17:01:41
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The fact that so many want their broadband as cheap as possible will hold back the upgrade to FTTP.

Advances cost money and someone has to pay for it.

Was Eclipse Home Option 1, VM 2Mb & O2 Standard
Now Utility Warehouse (up to 16mbps) via Talk Talk
Standard User kitcat
(experienced) Tue 14-Jan-20 17:15:46
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robbieglover2k7

If you look on the maps on this site you can actually see whatFTTP has been rolled out.

You can also click on the Constituency Full Fibre/FTTP Coverage Levels to see stats for each area.

The news articles also show how the picture is changing and how fast. The OR one is at https://www.thinkbroadband.com/news/8639-january-202... but there are others for the other large FTTP operators.

Regardless of the technology 95% of the population are happy with sub 80Mb speeds and only pay for the slowest package that gives them a delay invisible service.

MTBF ( Mean time between failures) on the copper distribution carrying broadband is actually very low somewhere around 8 years. but as always those with failures are the ones you hear about not the 95% that have no problems

A significant number of the complaints you hear ( Outside those caused by distance) are actually ISP or customer premises issues where ISP staff blame OR as that shifts the blame.

Some of the slow speed complaints are by people that don't want to upgrade to a faster service due to an increase in cost or just don't know that they can get a faster speed. See "the slowest streets in Britain" where most streets can get speed 10x+ faster if they were prepared to change product.

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Standard User Zarjaz
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Tue 14-Jan-20 18:13:04
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Indeed, competition seen as a driving force for progress. It, in this case hampered in the extreme.

Standard User Andrue
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Tue 14-Jan-20 19:31:27
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In reply to a post by robbieglover2k7:
Basically technology is evolving faster than our internet seems to be, there's a lot of articles and discussions about this but I don't want to link them as I'm not sure if you're able to link things here like that smile
All else being equal - what does it matter? Okay for us as members of this site the technology behind the internet and residential internet in particular is fascinating but for 95% of the UK's population it's of no interest at all. They don't care if their connection is via FTTP, FTTC, or an old man leading a donkey. All they care about is that it allows them to do the things they want to do. And the evidence we have of the last 20 years (maybe more) is that the UK's telecommunications network has been providing most of the population with what they want better than most of the UK's peers.

It also, from a pragmatic engineering standpoint, seems to have been a sensible and logical growth. For example if we'd decided to go straight from analog to FTTP a lot of the population would still have been on analogue ten years ago. With that plan the remaining 5% might still be on analogue today. BT (and others) have done a reasonably good job of upgrading the national network to keep up with demand.

But the technology used..meh. That's just bragging rights. It's of interest to us geeks but most people in the UK don't care and don't need to care.

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Andrue Cope
Brackley, UK

Edited by Andrue (Tue 14-Jan-20 19:33:04)

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