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ISP Representative uno
(isp) Sat 18-Apr-20 18:07:10
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Re: New BTW Checker


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I don't believe so, as yet at least. The address check works again which is a plus.

There will no doubt be reasons why they've done this but nothing they've disclosed.

Matt

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Standard User RobertoS
(elder) Sat 18-Apr-20 18:34:27
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Re: New BTW Checker


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The CAPCHA for a start. Reinforcing my suggestion the other day that the Address option on the previous version may have been being "script" accessed.

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Standard User PaulKirby
(knowledge is power) Sat 18-Apr-20 22:01:00
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In reply to a post by MHC:
Is it actually any different apart from the layout? No new information as far as I can see.

Well I know the new layout seems to be reactive and now uses Bootstrap v4.3.1 and now scales the page to fit mobile and tablets devices as well as desktop browsers.

The data returned is a json serialized string, there is a couple of other stuff (like Brown and Green fields) not displayed, but other than that its the same, but this one works.

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Standard User adslmax
(knowledge is power) Sun 19-Apr-20 12:41:16
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Re: New BTW Checker


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Disappointed with this new site, horrible lay out & dreadful hate this captcha which mean this site https://www.followthatpage.com/login are no longer work now for this. All spoilt and ruined. Thanks BTw for mess it up.

They also updated new BTw speedtest too: https://speedtest.btwholesale.com/

Edited by adslmax (Sun 19-Apr-20 13:02:39)

Standard User Oliver341
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Sun 19-Apr-20 13:10:05
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Re: New BTW Checker


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In reply to a post by RobertoS:
Reinforcing my suggestion the other day that the Address option on the previous version may have been being "script" accessed.

I'm sure there was a lot of excess load created by scripts and web page change monitors constantly querying the database.

Oliver.
Standard User CarlTSpeak
(member) Sun 19-Apr-20 13:37:40
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Re: New BTW Checker


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Seems to work great. Thank you.

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Standard User CarlTSpeak
(member) Sun 19-Apr-20 13:41:03
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I'm sure there was a lot of excess load created by scripts and web page change monitors constantly querying the database.


Yup. Great that they've done this. People with logins can continue to use those to run queries while people who monitor it for fun are now locked out ensuring legitimate, interactive queries can be done more quickly.

In reply to a post by adslmax:
Disappointed with this new site, horrible lay out & dreadful hate this captcha which mean this site https://www.followthatpage.com/login are no longer work now for this. All spoilt and ruined. Thanks BTw for mess it up.


With all due I think denying people like yourself the ability to constantly, pointlessly query the Wholesale checker alongside freeing up resources for legitimate queries is hugely beneficial to everyone.

The new layout is excellent in my opinion. Scales properly according to screen resolution and is clearer. The output easier to parse via tools.

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Edited by CarlTSpeak (Sun 19-Apr-20 13:45:14)

Standard User adslmax
(knowledge is power) Sun 19-Apr-20 13:46:58
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BTw speedtest are awful horrible layout! The upload are incorrect slow.
Standard User PaulKirby
(knowledge is power) Sun 19-Apr-20 14:07:44
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Re: New BTW Checker


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In reply to a post by adslmax:
Disappointed with this new site, horrible lay out & dreadful hate this captcha which mean this site https://www.followthatpage.com/login are no longer work now for this. All spoilt and ruined. Thanks BTw for mess it up.

While the look isn't that nice it still works and displays the required information and its now caters for mobile and tablet viewing, they have separated the data and visualization which is the correct way to do things.
As for captcha sure its a hassle to keep having to enter this and sure they could of gone with reCAPTCHA v2 (invisible) or v3 which is automated and the viewer doesn't need to enter anything unless something the user is doing triggers something.

As for BT Wholesale ruined that follow that page, this captcha version won't stop automated lookups if they are determined enough to get around it.
As for follow that page site, they were/are breaking the terms of service which states that you are not allowed to use an automated / macro to do lookups, which that site was doing so.

Like back when I was doing huge and i mean huge amounts of lookups in a day, I wrote my own application that did a lookup every 5 seconds (to not impact their system) and that was working 24 / 7 where it went through a list of addresses that didn't have fibre and once completed it waited for the start of the next week, this went on for 2 years.
Then Wholesale caught on and IP's started to get banned / blocked, it was only when BT contacted me to stop, so I did.
A year or two later fibre became available so no need to do the lookups.

I now run stuff online myself and have seen some people use automated scripts and I can see it from the other side and I think that captcha is not a bad thing if you use the services as intended.
People are just being lazy, all it takes is to check it once a day or every few days.

In reply to a post by adslmax:
They also updated new BTw speedtest too: https://speedtest.btwholesale.com/

TBH I am not a fan of the change here, it gives me different results every time and its no way near my actual speed, some times it says I have 58Mbps then another try it says I have 1.8Gbits (I [censored] wish LOL)
Plus browser based speed checkers are not reliable due to each browser shows a different result, so in these cases a dedicated applications should be available.

Paul

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ISP Representative uno
(isp) Sun 19-Apr-20 14:14:24
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Re: New BTW Checker


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In reply to a post by adslmax:
Disappointed with this new site, horrible lay out & dreadful hate this captcha which mean this site https://www.followthatpage.com/login are no longer work now for this. All spoilt and ruined. Thanks BTw for mess it up.


I doubt it was ever meant for mass automated queries in this way. The address data being open allowed for abuse so that could answer why that was taken off first. Companies pay a lot of money for the PAF data each year and this essentially gave anyone with a bit of scripting ability an easy way to get it.

There are still variables that can be passed to the URL to automate this but they are largely for service providers.

No one will know the exact reasons but there are some easy assumptions to make for the change both just because it needed a rebrand to that the other was being abused.

Matt

uno Communications
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