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Standard User Michael_Chare
(knowledge is power) Sun 18-Apr-21 17:28:22
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Re: Copper Retirement. Will Openreach remove unused lines?


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In the case of Vodafone, my Sim only account has an option which covers both Wifi calling and 4G calling. The option can be On or Off.

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Standard User jchamier
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Sun 18-Apr-21 17:40:24
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Re: Copper Retirement. Will Openreach remove unused lines?


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In the case of Vodafone, my Sim only account has an option which covers both Wifi calling and 4G calling. The option can be On or Off.
I am surprised that there is a setting in the Vodafone website, with other networks there is no need for a website setting.

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Standard User j0hn83
(knowledge is power) Mon 19-Apr-21 12:01:33
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Re: Copper Retirement. Will Openreach remove unused lines?


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In reply to a post by witchunt:
Closing the bt PSTN (2025) is not copper retirement.
Copper will still be used for ADSL (BT and LLU), FTTC and g.fast , as well as legacy private circuits , for many years yet.
There is no scheduled program announced to recover copper services.

What about the 75% "rule"...?

When 75% of the homes and businesses connected to a particular exchange can get Full Fibre you won’t be able to buy our old copper products if Full Fibre is available at your premise, this includes Gfast, Superfast Fibre and Standard Broadband.

https://www.openreach.com/fibre-broadband/retiring-t...


The 75% rule only applies to properties who have FTTP available.

When an exchange hits 75% FTTP coverage OpenReach start the process.
They will announce a stop sell of copper services (to start in say 12 months time).
They will enforce a "no go back" to copper policy for anyone already on FTTP.

Anyone on that exchange without FTTP is unaffected and will still need to use copper.

It makes little financial sense to recovery copper until all copper can be recovered.
The large copper spine bundles with the bulk of the value need left in situ until every single pair in the bundle is redundant, which won't be until there's full FTTP coverage in that particular area.


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Standard User j0hn83
(knowledge is power) Mon 19-Apr-21 12:13:11
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Re: Copper Retirement. Will Openreach remove unused lines?


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Thank you for the link. It says that IP will be used but it does not mention what hardware will be used. Where Openreach have FTTP they will want to use that for telephone only customers. It would be nice to find something where they state what they will do in areas where they don't have an FTTP service but there are altnets.


After the PSTN switch off, if there's no FTTP available then voice will be provided via VOIP.

OpenReach will sell the ISP a low bandwidth data service for VOIP only (0.5Mb/0.5Mb I believe?).

So if you wanted to buy a voice service from BT after the PSTN switch off then BT would send you a BT Smart Hub 2.
It has a built in ADSL and VDSL2 modem. It will sync at the low bandwidth level mentioned above.
You would then connect your telephone to the voice port on the BT Hub.

It will be up to the ISP to provide a modem/router with an integrated ATA port for voice.

It's how they do voice only services now in FTTP only new builds. They simply use an ONT instead of a modem.

How voice will be provided after PSTN switch off will be irrelevant if there is an Alt-Net present or not.
Standard User Michael_Chare
(knowledge is power) Mon 19-Apr-21 12:32:19
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After the PSTN switch off, if there's no FTTP available then voice will be provided via VOIP.

OpenReach will sell the ISP a low bandwidth data service for VOIP only (0.5Mb/0.5Mb I believe?).

So if you wanted to buy a voice service from BT after the PSTN switch off then BT would send you a BT Smart Hub 2.
It has a built in ADSL and VDSL2 modem. It will sync at the low bandwidth level mentioned above.
You would then connect your telephone to the voice port on the BT Hub.

It will be up to the ISP to provide a modem/router with an integrated ATA port for voice.

It's how they do voice only services now in FTTP only new builds. They simply use an ONT instead of a modem.

How voice will be provided after PSTN switch off will be irrelevant if there is an Alt-Net present or not.
Where do you get this information from? Can you provide a link to an official document that states that this will be the case?

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Standard User j0hn83
(knowledge is power) Mon 19-Apr-21 13:34:57
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Where do you get this information from? Can you provide a link to an official document that states that this will be the case?


Nope. That's definitely how it's going though.

I can't find a document with all that explained in a single easy to understand way, but there have been many news articles explaining the process.

It's how things are already done on FTTP.
If you want a voice service from BT and you have FTTP with no copper (so no PSTN) then they provide a BT Smart Hub 2, which connects to an ONT.
You connect your phone to the Smarthub.

OpenReach didn't actually release the 0.5Mb FTTP product and pricing until it went live when FVA was withdrawn.
FVA was how OpenReach used to sell voice on FTTP.

https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2020/02/openre...

For anyone who does not have access to a fibre service and wishes to take a voice service OpenReach will provide SOTAP.

https://www.openreach.co.uk/cpportal/products/copper...

https://www.openreach.co.uk/cpportal/content/dam/cpp...

There's a good article on ISPReview explaining the PSTN switch off and the various OpenReach products that replace their old voice products.

https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2020/03/openre...

Voice will be provided the same way for customers who take a bundled broadband+voice service or just a voice service.

Edited by j0hn83 (Mon 19-Apr-21 13:35:37)

Standard User Realalemadrid
(committed) Mon 19-Apr-21 14:45:05
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Re: Copper Retirement. Will Openreach remove unused lines?


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You have asked this question before on 15th April, now that John83 and others have provided ample evidence that a telephone service will be provided by VOIP over fibre or copper can you now accept that this is what will happen.
Standard User Michael_Chare
(knowledge is power) Mon 19-Apr-21 15:11:20
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Thank you very much for the links. It will be interesting to see how well the project progresses.

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Standard User Michael_Chare
(knowledge is power) Mon 19-Apr-21 19:30:46
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You have asked this question before on 15th April, now that John83 and others have provided ample evidence that a telephone service will be provided by VOIP over fibre or copper can you now accept that this is what will happen.
I was amused to notice that the Openreach announcement about the SOTAP product was also dated 15th April.

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Standard User Pheasant
(experienced) Tue 20-Apr-21 08:32:09
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So fresh the ink still hasn’t dried on the spec yet! 😎 Still 16 away months from launch....

Edited by Pheasant (Tue 20-Apr-21 08:33:15)

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