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Hi - my sister lives in an old cottage, currently has TallkTalk but only getting 1Mb download. TalkTalk not offering a better speed but BT offering 40Mb upwards knowing the address and existing phone number. I decided to look for the Master socket etc but there does not seem to be one. There are four extension wall mounted sockets which are daisy-chained together and an 'old' bell.
Is this doomed to failure? Worth getting a full BT install rather than the DIY option?
Help please.
Edited by deleted (Sun 23-May-21 15:12:04)
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Firstly, what does the BT DSL checker say? Based on her phone number - just cut and paste the key info.
What type of service does she have?
How good are you are DIY wiring?
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Go with an ISP with good customer service - a good ISP will also only put you on a 12 month contract.
Then either:
Go for for a FTTC upgrade on the existing line and work with the ISP if you don't get the advertised speeds, or
Get a new line put in (which will have a new master socket) and get the number transferred over (or move the number to VoIP)
Also, if you talk to a good ISP, they may well arrange for an OR visit to fit a new master socket.
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MHC thanks
BT say 77 to 80 down and 19 to 20 up for both VDSL ranges. The cabinet is within 50 metres.
The cottage has stone walls and solid floor so changing the wiring will be a pain but doable.
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No, not that old! Wiring done in the last thirty years but no master socket,
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Also, if you talk to a good ISP, they may well arrange for an OR visit to fit a new master socket.
That is what I am veering to - I've used the combined VDSL and phone socket face plate in the past. The electro-mechanical ringer may have to go.
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I would suggest a full install with a NEW master installed. Leave the phone wiring there are you may be able to use some for extensions and even if you are star wired, there is a way to convert to daisy chain (no-perfect but doable). Stone walls may well give problems with DECT phone and WiFi.
TO get full coverage, you may well have to run in Cat5e and several WAPs.
Chose a decent ISP - TT have already ruled themselves out by demonstrating their lack of knowledge or desire to assist.
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What post code are you. ?
Have you used this checker ? Copy results and remove personal details then add to your post so others can help you.
What about FTTP ?. (It will show WBC FTTP on the checker Not FTTPoD which is expensive).
www.broadbandchecker.btwholesale.com/#/ADSL
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It needs to be the address checker. 
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It needs to be the address checker.
Why. ?
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Because the BT Wholesale checker doesn't recognise LLU line numbers, even if originally issued by BTW.
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What post code are you. ?
Have you used this checker ? Copy results and remove personal details then add to your post so others can help you.
What about FTTP ?. (It will show WBC FTTP on the checker Not FTTPoD which is expensive).
www.broadbandchecker.btwholesale.com/#/ADSL
Featured Products Downstream Line Rate(Mbps) Upstream Line Rate (Mbps) Downstream Handback
Threshold(Mbps) WBC FTTC Availability Date WBC SOGEA Availability Date
VDSL Range A (Clean) 80 73.1 20 19 67.4 Available Available
VDSL Range B (Impacted) 80 72.4 20 19 67 Available Available
FTTP is available but the Oxted exchange is not FTTP priority. My sister does not need high speed/throughput but current 1Mb is useless!
Thanks all for your help.
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FTTP is available but the Oxted exchange is not FTTP priority. My sister does not need high speed/throughput but current 1Mb is useless!
Thanks all for your help. That's very confusing. Do you mean FTTP, or FTTPoD?
If true FTTP is down as available for the address, then it's available, end of! Priority is not an issue, and the price with most providers that supply it are the same as the FTTC price, but with a much better service from the technical point of view. Fot the same speeds. It doesn't have to be higher that the FTTC ones, but gives the full connection speed signed up to. Not an "up to" speed.
(APTMAN forgot to ask you to upload a screen-copy or screenshot to one of the free sites, and gives us a link. Including the line above the table but "Paint"ing out the actual address. Keeping the exchange and cabinet number.)
Seeing the full table answers every question we could ask . Including things like the important star-wiring one. But we don't need the gubbins below the table.
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FTTP Priority explained
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So? So what? It doesn't affect my post.
The poster said it is available. The question is, are they correct. We need an answer to my question, preferably by a screenshot. Their post was confusing.
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Good point .
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There is good advice here: https://telecomgreen.co.uk/engineering/an-old-phone-...
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Edited by adslmax (Mon 24-May-21 21:11:07)
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FTTP is available but the Oxted exchange is not FTTP priority.
It says that for our address and our local exchange, But our FTTP does not go to a local exchange ours goes 12 miles away .
My sister does not need high speed/throughput but current 1Mb is useless!
Like others have said you do Not have to have 1000/220 on FTTP an 80/20 connection and your sister should have the full 80/20 and possibly for the same price.
No problem with old phone wiring as it's Fibre Optic all the way from the exchange to your sisters house, that why I suggested checking if FTTP was available.
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Checker is predicting good results. I would suck it and see and not be unduly worried.
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Post deleted by RobertoS - thought the post I replied to was by the OP. D'oh! 
Edited by RobertoS (Tue 25-May-21 00:40:48)
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What Bob said but also postcode only doesn't provide FTTP availability only the address.
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Though you can enter just the postcode in the Address option, and get a list of all addresses in it. That caters for multiple cabinets serving the postcode, which is quite common.
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The reason for not getting FTTP (assuming definitely available) could be that it limits the supplier base as some suppliers still only offer FTTC and not FTTP. But, if the preferred supplier does FTTP for the same price as FTTC then it is a no-brainer.
I know you know this but for the benefit of the OP.
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No need to be so brusque particularly when a detailed explanation is provided answering your question.
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No need to be so brusque particularly when a detailed explanation is provided answering your question. It didn't answer my question. I didn't ask for an explanation of the meaning of FTTP Priority.
FTTP Priority is about whether or not a given premises or group of premises will be on the rollout at that exchange. I asked the OP to clarify what he posted in reply to APTMAN's request for the output from the Address Checker. That reply gave the VDSL lines, but they also said FTTP is available.
So did he mean the checker said it was available at the premises, or not? Bear in mind they also imply by no need for greater speed than FTTC that they rule out FTTP on possibly spurious grounds. FTTP is available but the Oxted exchange is not FTTP priority. My sister does not need high speed/throughput but current 1Mb is useless! That was a stand-alone paragraph, which should mean the two sentences in it are closely related.
It is probable that it isn't available, but that quote is unclear.
The screenshot requested would clarify. It would be a shame if they go for FTTC if FTTP is available. Whether or not the price would be the same could depend on the ISP, but that is also being discussed as a side issue.
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From what I read on the ISPreview article, it just says FTTP has priority over other products.
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It was quite clear from the evidence that it was not an FTTP priority exchange.
Your confabulation doesnt alter that
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It was quite clear from the evidence that it was not an FTTP priority exchange.
Your confabulation doesnt alter that Can neither of you read and understand?
It is possible for some premises on such an exchange to have FTTP available. Simples. Just not a priority to make it available to all.
The OP said "FTTP" is available. So who is wrong? Them, me, or the two of you arguing with me? A screenshot by the OP, repeatedly requested, would make it clear.
I assume you are aware that some exchanges provide both FTTC and FTTP? This could be one. But IIRC we don't even know the exchange.
The link to an explanation of FTTP Priority flag doesn't tell us the answer to the question.
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It was quite clear from the evidence that it was not an FTTP priority exchange.
Your confabulation doesnt alter that
RobertoS simply asked the OP to clarify if FTTP is available or not.
Not sure what the exchange being an FTTP priority exchange or not has to do with anything or why you keep bringing it up.
Whether it is an FTTP priority exchange or not is irrelevant to FTTP availability.
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