Fttp fiber broadband

Hello does any openreach engineer’s on here know when the larklane exchange will be upgraded to fttp we could only get 16 download 1 upload since bt started broadband 20 years ago and have had a telephone line with them since early 1900s.
On the openreach map it says upgrade by 2025 but all the other surrounding exchanges have been upgraded or are in the process of being upgraded.
Any help here would be much appreciated cheers.

FTTP doesn’t originate from your nearest copper based exchange (serving you voice/PSTN and ADSL services). Instead much like FTTC broadband, it originates from a larger exchange called a GEA Head End exchange that serves a much broader area and number of premises, typically in the thousands or tens of thousands of premises.

If indeed surrounding areas are fed from that serving exchange for FTTP then it is already enabled, just that the final legs of the build-out to your neck of the woods are not complete - however not to underestimate how much work is involved in actually doing that.

If you already have FTTC - then some of the fibre infrastructure to serve your cabinet is already in place and could be leveraged for FTTP, depending on capacity. Then again it may need additional capacity or upgrades. It’s very difficult to know with any certainty.

In terms of firm timescales for the completion of native builds, without any BDUK etc influence, again it is very difficult to get an accurate prediction. Often or not Openreach build priorities change. It’s really wait and see.

What you say is correct, but is the technical part of what we are told by the checkers. The local exchange is shown as FTTC/FTTP enabled or not and that is what the OP has to rely on .

What checker lists the local exchange as FTTP/FTTC enabled or not?

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Availability is what we need to know.

This one.
Similarly.
samknows.

In effect, the BT Wholesale one.

Edit: In the middle two of those I only entered the exchange name.

Edited by pluralist (Fri 23-Jul-21 12:08:41)

There is also the right-hand column of this Openreach list.

Plenty of wiggle room in the official build programme - could be anywhere within four years; 2022-23, 2024-25 like many others far and wide.

Edit to say that it’s clear that Larklane is a Headend exchange and is already FTTP enabled/serving, though not yet in the OPs street obviously.

Edited by Pheasant (Fri 23-Jul-21 13:55:02)

Cheers for reply yes fttp is no we’re to be seen on the lark lane fttp build I checked loads of streets all are either fttc or cable. Cracking me up as they keep enabling fttp every few months all around. My concern is if they do my address as they enabled everyone to either fttc adsl 2 or gfast the last time on and left our two streets on the older broadband adsl or whatever it was.

In reply to a post by Darkage7:

have had a telephone line with them since early 1900s.

Wow, can't think of many on here who can make a similar claim

From your op sounds like you are on an exchange only (EO) line, which is why you weren’t migrated to FTTC.

Thanks for the reply.
The lark lane exchange is fttp enabled but not built for mass as yet that’s what openreach do on every area exchange.
I know this as I applied for a leased line they responded with it runs from my exchange on fttp.
For the other posts) Also I wouldn’t rely on Sam knows for exchange info as all if not the many are all fttp unabled which us obviously not the case.
Check (Telephone exchange) and search there’s as it’s reliable source.

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In reply to a post by Darkage7:

have had a telephone line with them since early 1900s.

Wow, can't think of many on here who can make a similar claim

Oldest living person seems to be around 111/112 years old so I guess 1910 is about the earliest anyone could claim but assuming the person had an ability to enter a contract then that puts it to getting on for 1930 as being the earliest anyone is likely to claim they had a phone line (certainly in their own control).

Most of the phone lines in uk in city areas have only really been changed once or twice with some still on the very first lines.😂

Mate I’m talking about the house being passed down 💀

In reply to a post by Darkage7:

I know this as I applied for a leased line they responded with it runs from my exchange on fttp.

A dedicated leased line doesn’t use the Openreach GEA fibre assets or infrastructure. It’s completely independent, nothing to do with FTTP

A leased line may however run back to the same BT exchange as FTTP, but again it’s no indication of how anything FTTP build related, it readiness or the progress of such. Different ball game entirely I’m afraid.

Edited by Pheasant (Fri 23-Jul-21 14:27:55)

In reply to a post by dect:

In reply to a post by Darkage7:

have had a telephone line with them since early 1900s.

Wow, can't think of many on here who can make a similar claim

Was going to say something similar when they first posted.

“You are Graham Alexander Bell, and I claim my 50p !”

I have a leased line for a large YouTube channel from another address the ping is only the same as an fttp with fttp most of the time beating this due to the high tech fttp rollout. Sometimes congestion on fttp can balls this up the tech is as good as it gets on a normal fttp. Only difference is that it’s my line no one else’s.

Ping times are really not dictated by the access tech, be that leased line or FTTP, but simple physics / distance. If you’re pinging a server in a London Docklands data centre from a leased line in Aberdeen for arguments sake, you will not be able to match the sub-millisecond latency of someone doing so located in central London.

As you’re aware a leased line provides symmetric bandwidth which is completely uncontended. Recall that Openreach FTTP is very much an asymmetric service and it is very much contended. FTTP speeds quoted are always “peak” speeds - not at all guaranteed. Dig a little deeper and you will discover that there is in fact quite a large difference between peak rates and “prioritised” data rates. For example on a 1000/115 FTTP service the prioritised rates are 110/50. So the upshot is that if you are on a fully subscribed PON with thirty of your ‘neighbours’ sharing a 2.5G/1.2G PON and everyone decided to max out their connections on a winters evening, you will not necessarily see your peak speeds sustained. Openreach are only guaranteeing your much lower prioritised speeds.

Indeed leased lines often behave in the opposite way - some providers will allow you to burst up from your committed rate up to the bearer capacity, for example a 500 Mbps service could burst up to 1000 Mbps.

Think of it as ‘under promise and over deliver’ whereas broadband unfortunately is often quite the opposite!

I could go on with service levels and service credits - but hopefully you get the picture that despite some ‘headline’ speeds that leased lines and FTTP are very different products reflected obviously in their prices.

Zarjaz

Think you mean ten bob ( Shillings) or 2 Crowns, sure most bets would have been a shilling, crown or a guinea!

Lobby Lud is a fictional character created in August 1927 by the Westminster Gazette, a British newspaper, now defunct. The character was used in readers' prize competitions during the summer period. Anonymous employees visited seaside resorts and afterwards wrote down a detailed description of the town they visited, without giving away its name. They also described a person they happened to see that day and declared him to be the "Lobby Lud" of that issue. Readers were given a pass phrase and had to try and guess both the location and the person described by the reporters. Anyone carrying the newspaper could challenge Lobby Lud with the phrase and receive five pounds (about £300 in 2021

So Zarjaz's 50p equates roughly to £30 in modern decimal muck.

Bring back the Pound Sterling! With its great logic of farthings, ha'pennies, thruppences, sixpences, shillings, florins, half-crowns and so on. I'm sure today's kids would soon get used to it. 🥰😘🥰😘🥰😘👻

(And for completeness, silver threepences. - not pronounced three pences!)

Leased lines are not FTTP they are dedicated fibre lines and normally an uncontended service , do not confuse Leased line with FTTP they are not the same and do not come from the same place

In reply to a post by pluralist:

Lobby Lud is a fictional character created in August 1927 by the Westminster Gazette, a British newspaper, now defunct. The character was used in readers' prize competitions during the summer period. Anonymous employees visited seaside resorts and afterwards wrote down a detailed description of the town they visited, without giving away its name. They also described a person they happened to see that day and declared him to be the "Lobby Lud" of that issue. Readers were given a pass phrase and had to try and guess both the location and the person described by the reporters. Anyone carrying the newspaper could challenge Lobby Lud with the phrase and receive five pounds (about £300 in 2021

So Zarjaz's 50p equates roughly to £30 in modern decimal muck.

Bring back the Pound Sterling! With its great logic of farthings, ha'pennies, thruppences, sixpences, shillings, florins, half-crowns and so on. I'm sure today's kids would soon get used to it. 🥰😘🥰😘🥰😘👻

(And for completeness, silver threepences. - not pronounced three pences!)

Oh the Nostalgia - reminds me of spending the odd single thruppence in the early 70's as a treat on sweets. Soon we had the those plastic "Calculators" to calculate Sterling to Decimal. Sorry to the OP for being way off topic, but the 1900's comment was quite funny..