staying with plusnet for another 18 months.

I had a email from plus net saying they can do me another 18 months at £22 a month, that is £1 less than I am paying now, so i have gone for it. I was going to wait for a bit and see when Zzoomm would get up and running here, but as I have said before, I don't really need super duper speed. So £7 a month less than Zzoomm.

I used to paying Plusnet 93p per month for FTTC 80/20 for 18 months but after referral discount there never been any billing for the last 18 months with line rental saver! lol

Well, plusnet made the offer, so I presume they rather keep me as a customer even paying a lower price than me going elsewhere.
i don't mind paying a decent price, but like other people, I don't want to pay silly prices.
We will just wait and see now what happens with Zzoomm, knowing my luck they will be up and running here by the end of January , nah, that is not going to happen.

ok i am editing this a while after first posting it, I have had an email from plusnet saying thank you for taking up the offer, and now I had a text and email, saying, sorry you are leaving us, very confused.
i have posted in their forum, maybe they will know what is going on, I presume it is an automatic system

Edited by zyborg47 (Thu 30-Dec-21 20:57:50)

You never know as Zzoomm might surprise u by end of January 2022. As for me FTTP will never happen in my street as I just know it because it very large fibre (FTTC) under footpath to the main road to the DP. There is no pole around here. Everything is under the ground (copper and fibre) and there seem too many houses in my street probably over 400 houses will be too much work for openreach. Might have to stay with FTTC until 2030.

Why would 400 house be too much work when they are providing it to millions?

How can the fibre optic go to million houses under the ground? Seem too much work to do for Openreach might taking them 10 years to do this!

In reply to a post by adslmax:

You never know as Zzoomm might surprise u by end of January 2022. As for me FTTP will never happen in my street as I just know it because it very large fibre (FTTC) under footpath to the main road to the DP. There is no pole around here. Everything is under the ground (copper and fibre) and there seem too many houses in my street probably over 400 houses will be too much work for openreach. Might have to stay with FTTC until 2030.

Zzoomm is underground and they are doing the whole city, it will take until 2023 i think to do everywhere.

as i said in the Edit, I am staying with plusnet now.

I'm sure you will be okay with Plusnet and have more of your hard earned in your pocket. When it gets above 24meg, it's all about price. Just like Ms Garfield said all those years ago.

Edited by FibreBubble (Thu 30-Dec-21 21:44:43)

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I'm sure you will be okay with Plusnet and have more of your hard earned in your pocket. When it gets above 24meg, it's all about price. Just like Ms Garfield said all those years ago.

It is fine for me as long as the service stays ok. anything can happen with zzoomm at the moment, with the shortage of staff and the virus, so maybe it is best to wait. Mind you it is going to be fun when they get up here, i wonder how many people will have a go at them if they make the same mess they have been in other places, light blue touch paper and stand well back

Who is Ms Garfield ?

Your only talking about 400 houses though?
Do you think they only provide FTTP to overhead properties?

Olivia garfield, former CEO of Openreach. Said something like 24 Mbits was enough for every house hold at the time , about 2014.

I remember her, she emailed me disagree with me to have future FTTP saying it more suitable to businesses than residential and saying FTTC was more than enough for many years as she emailed back in 2015. Openreach chief executive Olivia Garfield said: "FTTP on demand is a significant development for Broadband Britain. Essentially, it could make our fastest speeds available wherever we deploy fibre. This will be welcome news for small businesses who may wish to benefit from the competitive advantage that such speeds provide.

"We are also doubling the speed of our standard fibre broadband this spring giving ISPs the chance to offer speeds of up to 80Mbps. This will ensure that residential customers have world class speeds for all their family's needs."

She is now CEO of STW company. Glad she left Openreach, because if she still in charge then she will ruled out full fibre for all residential as she probably stick to her plan to stay on FTTC and G.fast by now and near future.

She is load of moneybag! She is expected to be paid a basic salary of £650,000 at Severn, and receive a pension contribution of 25 per cent, equalling £162,500.

Her maximum annual bonus of 120 per cent would be £780,000

Edited by adslmax (Fri 31-Dec-21 17:09:58)

In reply to a post by witchunt:

Olivia garfield, former CEO of Openreach. Said something like 24 Mbits was enough for every house hold at the time , about 2014.

I expect it was more than enough for most households then. Different now with 4K, get a few people streaming 4K at the same time and your 24 Mb/s would not be much cop.

It seems my new contract have gone through, the email I and text I got saying sorry you are leaving was an error.

This contract lasts until June 2023, so we will see what things are like then.

she was no doubt correct, most people can cope with FTTC speeds as long as they are not silly slow speeds./
I get 35-36Mb/s and it does what I need, sure if you can get faster for not much more money then yes go for it. FTTP is more reliable, saying that i have had no real problem with my broadband for 112 months or more.

'Most people' is a lot of people.

You've been on this broadband enthusiasts site for the best part of 20 years and you have happily chosen 35meg service for £7 less than a 150meg service. I'm sure you will continue to enjoy your circuit.

Most people are not broadband enthusiasts and maybe that's why take up of faster full fibre speeds is so poor.

Edited by FibreBubble (Fri 31-Dec-21 18:04:18)

In reply to a post by witchunt:

Olivia garfield, former CEO of Openreach. Said something like 24 Mbits was enough for every house hold at the time , about 2014.

There was a female UK boss of Tiscali years back. Famously said that 2Mbps was enough for anybody. (Note, there is no typo there).

One of the best tech prediction howlers of all time..

“I think there is a world market for maybe five computers.”

It was 1943, but the man who said it was president of IBM. Yeah…🙈

Or how about more recently:

“There is no reason anyone would want a computer in their home.”

Courtesy of Ken Olsen founder of Digital Equipment Corp. in 1977 - the same year that Atari went on to release their Atari 2600 (aka Video Game Computer). They sold 12 million of them…

Bill Gates. The internet will not catch on with the public.

And IBM, poo-pooing home computers for a few years. We all had Digital Research CP/M-based ones from several manufacturers, including networking with MP/M in later years. The name "Personal Computer" now PC was created by IBM once they realised they needed to be in the market. There were just called microcomputers or micros before that.

In reply to a post by zyborg47:

I get 35-36Mb/s and it does what I need, sure if you can get faster for not much more money then yes go for it.

as I said before, for many people since March 2020, the internet became their only way to work. Colleagues whom had 16 Mbps download and 0.5 Mbps upload services on ADSL found they couldn’t do the needed Zoom/Webex/Teams calls with colleagues reliably. Many upgrades to FTTC (VDSL) were then ordered.

I had no problem with my old 45 Mbps down from Plusnet, paying around £35 a month, but the upload dropping from 8 Mbps down to around 2 Mbps was not enough for me, believed due to crosstalk in the street as people switched between providers.

It was the kick that moved me to Cable, paying £15/m more for internet only (no home phone) but 20 Mbps upload which was the feature I looked for. (I skipped the 10 Mbps upload entry product).

Everyone has their own needs for internet, each person / family makes their own judgement over needs and price. Some of these judgements will change again this coming year.

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In reply to a post by FibreBubble:

'Most people' is a lot of people.

You've been on this broadband enthusiasts site for the best part of 20 years and you have happily chosen 35meg service for £7 less than a 150meg service. I'm sure you will continue to enjoy your circuit.

Most people are not broadband enthusiasts and maybe that's why take up of faster full fibre speeds is so poor.

20 years? Oh my, how time flies

Happily chosen? Not sure if I would go that far. I have done so because it is available now and if I waited until the provider of FTTP got into gear up here it would be costing me a fair bit more per month for God knows how long. I have said before, I would be paying around £38 a month out of contract and it could have been for months. Going to a provider that offers a monthly contract would be no cheaper to be honest or if they are, not by much, sure I could have gone to something like Now broadband which offers a 12 month contract for £20, but is it really worth the hassle?
So when plusnet offered me a 18-month contract for £22, I thought maybe that is the best way to go and to be honest I did decide pretty quick, which for me is amazing as i normally take ages to decide .
Sure, having 150Mb/s up and down would be nice, but it is not going to change my life and I doubt I would notice that much difference and maybe that is the same for many people, thinking why would they want to pay more money for something that would not make a rap of difference?

i understand what you are saying, I know people who have been using the internet for work for longer than 2020 and yes in this day and age, you certainly need some sort of decent speeds, but i chat to someone using Discord and their broadband is awful, lucky to get 10Mb/s, up and down and yet it works ok,, I am not saying that people should be happy with that speed, just saying it can work.

ADSL is more or less gone now, yes i know there are people who still use it, I know a household that still uses dial up, but not for much longer, setting them up with a mobile broadband in a few weeks time, since they can now get a decent 4G signal.

Uploads for me is pretty stable, around the 9Mb/s, it doesn't change really, download do now and again, but not by much, as i said above, I use discord and it seems fine, I have never used Zoom.
I am not saying there is anything wrong with going for a higher speed service and paying more, but work out if you really need to first and don't spend extra for no reason, unless they have money to burn.

If I am still here after the contract runs out with plusnet I will no doubt changed to zzoomm, but if things go ok in the new year I may move and if I do then we will have to look at options that are available there, which at the moment is only FTTC. 18 months is a fair bit away, anything can happen.

I'm sure a "broadband enthusiast", whatever one of those is, can make their mind up as to what they require in their broadband speed.

Prior to the pandemic we were happy with our 15 / 0.8 mbps adsl service.

For all those having a go at peoples predictions.....Hindsight is a wonderful thing!

In reply to a post by broadband66:

I'm sure a "broadband enthusiast", whatever one of those is, can make their mind up as to what they require in their broadband speed.

Prior to the pandemic we were happy with our 15 / 0.8 mbps adsl service.

For all those having a go at peoples predictions.....Hindsight is a wonderful thing!

y,es, in one way it would be nice to know the future, but in another way no.

Well, I think I made the right choice in staying with plusnet for a while, the maps used to say spring 2022 when fibre would come here, now it is saying spring/summer 2022. I was chatting to an engineer on the way home from work, and he told me they are a bit behind, due to lack of staff and other problems.
At the end of the day it is a big project, bringing fibre here, I know Hereford is not large compared to some places, but it is still a fair size.